Jack Herer and Holy Grail 69 Grow. LED AND CFL

[nodnarb7]

Yo, WASSUP!!!
I got a Jack Herer and a Holy Grail 69 plant growing right now under LED UFO and CFL's. Check it!

 

[nodnarb7]

I will be posting pics every once and a while to update the progress. Smoke reports and yeild amounts, etc. will follow the grow.

 

[puffenuff]

What up? Bunch of questions: What kind of led is that? soil or coco? What nuttients do you use? Good luck, along for the ride.

 

[nodnarb7]

What up? Bunch of questions: What kind of led is that? soil or coco? What nuttients do you use? Good luck, along for the ride.

Woo yeah!! What's up buddy!? Alright, so my soil mix (which I really like right now) is as follows:

1 Bag Lamberts Organic Soil
1 Part Perlite
1 Part Vermiculite
1 Bag "Big Brown Cow" Manure
(ALL PURCHASED AT HOME DEPOT)
The Soil is very ''spongy'' feeling which I think would be very good for the roots to navigate through. It does dry a tad fast (Water once a Day Depending on the Initial Watering)



(BUT!!! The LED's, even though I bought from the same site, are not the same.) The Original one I bought shines more of a ''purpley'' light since the LED's are scattered and in no particular pattern. The other LED I bought (which I thought was the exact same) is more of a ''reddish'' light since the red LED's are in a circle and then in that circle are the blue LED's. Kind of questioning why they did this but I kept it anyways because I returned a Blackstar 100w because it was very small.

I am very skiddish right now about nutrients since this is still my first grow. I had to start from scratch since my first round I used miracle grow potting soil and I over watered and it turned to muck and the plants suffocated. And the nutrients I have now are "General Hydroponics'' 3 part system. I would advise doing research about this formula as there are many videos and suggestions on how to use it. I would suggest adding 10-15 drops (IF THAT!!!) to an entire gallon of water. I used a little more than that and thought I had lost my Jack Herer. I am not going to try again until they are a little bigger.

Thank you for subbing!

 

[TriPurple]

Love the FAT baby leaves!!!!! Wish I'd have kept my Jack Herer it's a heavy yielder.

 

[nodnarb7]

Love the FAT baby leaves!!!!! Wish I'd have kept my Jack Herer it's a heavy yielder.

Yeah man, I really hope the timing is right for everything. I have autoflower's as well as the two photo strains. What I would like to have happen is by the time the auto's are finished, I can put the photo's into flowering that way they will be a pretty good size. I only have a 4x2x6 tent though. This should be interesting.

 

[nodnarb7]

updates, pics!!! (lst jack herer) 3/29/2012

 

[nodnarb7]

More pics coming this weekend, they are still doing good. Jack Herer is growing very well, got some LST going on and the stem is super thick. Holy Grail 69 is doing good and starting to get some vertical action. Feel free to post questions, anything! Just post! Gonna have pics up soon, so stay tuned!

 

[nodnarb7]

NEW PICS (EASTER 3/8/2012)
As you can see, the Jack Herer is LST's to the maxx right now. She looks like 2-4 separate plants! The Holy Grail 69, I am hoping will not get enormous because I want to keep it in its' pot. Jack Herer is doing really good, big stem and multiple tops are the highlights. Holy Grail 69 is getting some height to her and is bulking up on leaves. MORE PICS NEXT SUNDAY (3/15/2012)

 

[mtxdemon]

Too much Nitrogen man!! This green is too much dark!!

 

[nodnarb7]

Too much Nitrogen man!! This green is too much dark!!

The green is strong with this one. I have been reading online and from what I have seen, this is a real problem. Now I have been going really light and diluted with the nutes and my soil has cow shit in it so that may be why they're so dark. So what are my options? It appears as though they are not dying so I am confused as to why this is a problem. Can you enlighten me?

 

[IlovePlants]

Nitrogen abundance and nitrogen toxicity are two very different things. Your HolyGrail is simply be a darker pheno (usually abundance takes on a dark blue green hue), although from some of your pictures it appears as if some of your lower leaves have succumb to their abundance, building up salts in the cells to a toxic level killing off tissue. Abundance happens with the three main elements: nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Usually you only want to push abundance part of the way through the flowering cycle as the plant ramps up its metabolism and uses more and more nutrient until the final weeks of its life; this fact isn't quite a fact, more of a feature which some cannabis growers strive to improve upon to reduce total nutrients over time. By flexing abundance, which quickly gets out of control if not handled correctly, you allow your plants "fat". Fat plants are similar to fat people on really only a few levels but I shall elaborate. Plants cannot store nearly as much energy on a daily basis due to it's lack of "fat" cells, they simply spend the chemical energy during their night cycle. Sugars are stored in the stem tissue and cell walls throughout the plant. It can only store the nutrients necessary to supply itself with energy. So the leaves and stems will build into a higher color density as they store more chemicals to create energy for the following day. The problem is that this effect of giving the plant any and all access to nutrients they need is that they will eat themselves to death. Abundance without enough pure water, and time, will quickly turn into nutrient burn. Much like diabetes the tissue that is completely destroyed from nutrient burn will not regenerate. The moral of the story is this, if you feel that they will be storing more nutrients than they will use, discontinue nutrients until you prove yourself correct, or the plant responds differently. Flushing out your salts with every watering is one of the simplest ways to go, all though in flowering I reduce my runoff to allow salts to build during critical times. If you aren't already, flush about 10-15% of your total watering out of the pot every time you water. Also if you could introduce some beneficial fungi after you rinse out that soil you may have a chance to mellow it out. Most cow manure is not processed by for the time it takes to break down all the nutrition stored in the manure. If you introduce a colony of beneficial microbes they will eat away the manure and release it over time. Honestly, I've never grown with organics and hydroponics nutrients together. It just seems a bit intense, and in the world of cannabis less is more. What the hell do I know though, I'm just a guy who loves plants.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

 

[nodnarb7]

Nitrogen abundance and nitrogen toxicity are two very different things. Your HolyGrail is simply be a darker pheno (usually abundance takes on a dark blue green hue), although from some of your pictures it appears as if some of your lower leaves have succumb to their abundance, building up salts in the cells to a toxic level killing off tissue. Abundance happens with the three main elements: nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Usually you only want to push abundance part of the way through the flowering cycle as the plant ramps up its metabolism and uses more and more nutrient until the final weeks of its life; this fact isn't quite a fact, more of a feature which some cannabis growers strive to improve upon to reduce total nutrients over time. By flexing abundance, which quickly gets out of control if not handled correctly, you allow your plants "fat". Fat plants are similar to fat people on really only a few levels but I shall elaborate. Plants cannot store nearly as much energy on a daily basis due to it's lack of "fat" cells, they simply spend the chemical energy during their night cycle. Sugars are stored in the stem tissue and cell walls throughout the plant. It can only store the nutrients necessary to supply itself with energy. So the leaves and stems will build into a higher color density as they store more chemicals to create energy for the following day. The problem is that this effect of giving the plant any and all access to nutrients they need is that they will eat themselves to death. Abundance without enough pure water, and time, will quickly turn into nutrient burn. Much like diabetes the tissue that is completely destroyed from nutrient burn will not regenerate. The moral of the story is this, if you feel that they will be storing more nutrients than they will use, discontinue nutrients until you prove yourself correct, or the plant responds differently. Flushing out your salts with every watering is one of the simplest ways to go, all though in flowering I reduce my runoff to allow salts to build during critical times. If you aren't already, flush about 10-15% of your total watering out of the pot every time you water. Also if you could introduce some beneficial fungi after you rinse out that soil you may have a chance to mellow it out. Most cow manure is not processed by for the time it takes to break down all the nutrition stored in the manure. If you introduce a colony of beneficial microbes they will eat away the manure and release it over time. Honestly, I've never grown with organics and hydroponics nutrients together. It just seems a bit intense, and in the world of cannabis less is more. What the hell do I know though, I'm just a guy who loves plants.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

Thanks ILovePlants man! So from what you have told me and I believe to be true. They may actually have an abundance of Nitrogen since there is already cow shit in the soil. And I have been giving them small doses of nutes as well. I will flush both of them in a day or two with PH'd water. I don't really flush now since it is kind of a hassle to get the pots out of the tent. Not too big of a deal though to save the plants. And what you said about the ''fat'' plants, I have potatoes growing outside and never gave them anything. They were the darkest green leaves I have ever seen. After a couple weeks, they turned yellowish and are now sickly looking. Part of this I feel is due to lack of watering but it seems as though they simply have plant diabetes.

 

[ballaboyee21]

sub'd! Let's see how your Holy Grail goes! I got a freeby seed with an order and was planning on throwing it outside for light dep in the next few months! I'll be checking in!

 

[nodnarb7]

sub'd! Let's see how your Holy Grail goes! I got a freeby seed with an order and was planning on throwing it outside for light dep in the next few months! I'll be checking in!

Thank you man! I also just yesterday popped in a Sweet Black Angel into a semi-small pot. I figure once it gets like 1ft tall, the auto's will be done and I can switch the photo's into flowering thus making the Black Angel like a mini-auto as well. Should be interesting. Stay tuned for this weekend's new pictures!

 

[nodnarb7]

UPDATE:
I just dropped in a Sweet Black Angel Bean yesterday to grow it with the other photos, it will be a very small 12/12 plant, so hopefully it will be similar to an auto. Stay tuned and stay frosty!

 

[Amaximus]

UPDATE:
I just dropped in a Sweet Black Angel Bean yesterday to grow it with the other photos, it will be a very small 12/12 plant, so hopefully it will be similar to an auto. Stay tuned and stay frosty!

I've heard/read the sweet black angel is some potent dank. I've got one going myself. Its been vegging for almost 60 days now and will continue to veg because I don't have the space to flower! Perhaps I'll be able to flower mine at the same time you flower yours! heh.

Looking good. A CFL/LED grow, I love it. My next grow is going to be 300wCFL/180wLED.

+subbed!

 

[nodnarb7]

I've heard/read the sweet black angel is some potent dank. I've got one going myself. Its been vegging for almost 60 days now and will continue to veg because I don't have the space to flower! Perhaps I'll be able to flower mine at the same time you flower yours! heh.

Looking good. A CFL/LED grow, I love it. My next grow is going to be 300wCFL/180wLED.

+subbed!

From what I have read as well, the SBA is very strong as well. Not a day use strain, LoL. Either way, yeah man, here is the deal. I plan to start flowering my photo's as soon as the Auto's appear that they are really close to finishing up (after flushing, of course). But I will absolutely keep this thread and the other one up to date with flowering dates and also week by week updates! Good luck! *Stay Frosty*

 

[Amaximus]

From what I have read as well, the SBA is very strong as well. Not a day use strain, LoL. Either way, yeah man, here is the deal. I plan to start flowering my photo's as soon as the Auto's appear that they are really close to finishing up (after flushing, of course). But I will absolutely keep this thread and the other one up to date with flowering dates and also week by week updates! Good luck! *Stay Frosty*

Awesome! I look forward to the updates. I'll be keeping an eye out on both grows.

 

[Amaximus]

Ah, What the hell. Since we're on the subject here is my SBA after 8 weeks of vegging and severe LST/pruning. (I have no space to flower this one so I'm desperately trying to keep her small until I can.





Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread. Let me know and I'll delete these photos if they're bothering you.