First time growing in 10 years, tell me what you think of my setup

wheels619

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Great info! Rep'd. Thanks buddy.

EDIT: can't give you any more love right now until I give others REPs so.......
lol. yeah it happens. a few plus rep threads out there i use to pass the rep around. kinda butthurt that they got rid of the like button. but the like buton was being abused and the rep button ignored so the 86'ed it.


also i edited the top post. so u might want to look at it again.
 

wheels619

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Yeah I saw the edit, I am going to start looking into getting an 8 inch fan. Thanks, more stuff to buy!
yeah i know it sucks. but the hydro guy should have known about ur space size and the wattage u r using. he should have known u would have needed more than a 340cfm to keep it cool but sometime we overlook stuff. it will be worth every penny tho when ur not worrying about heat. also if u plan on using co2 in the future u may want to just look at a portable ac unit. or just try to get one now. then u wont have to worry about buying a bigger fan and ur tent will always be at a good temp. cuz u wont be able to run so much air thru it to cool it with co2 in the tent.
 

berkman858

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yeah i know it sucks. but the hydro guy should have known about ur space size and the wattage u r using. he should have known u would have needed more than a 340cfm to keep it cool but sometime we overlook stuff. it will be worth every penny tho when ur not worrying about heat. also if u plan on using co2 in the future u may want to just look at a portable ac unit. or just try to get one now. then u wont have to worry about buying a bigger fan and ur tent will always be at a good temp. cuz u wont be able to run so much air thru it to cool it with co2 in the tent.
I thought that when I use CO2 the higher temp will actually be welcome and will make the plants grow faster.
 

wheels619

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possibly. never used co2 in all honesty. get super dank bud without it so never even bothered. ur temps will skyrocket to hurtful levels without an ac cooling it still. u wont be able to have enough passive airflow to keep it within decent temps while u r running co2 without an ac especially since ur having temp problems now already. if u turn the fan off it gets like a hundred degrees in the tent right? cuz i went thru the same issues when i started in the spot im in now. lol. heat fucked my first harvest. second one went better cuz i fixed the heat issue the same way im im telling u how to. the more airflow the cooler ur tent will be. :)
 

berkman858

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possibly. never used co2 in all honesty. get super dank bud without it so never even bothered. ur temps will skyrocket to hurtful levels without an ac cooling it still. u wont be able to have enough passive airflow to keep it within decent temps while u r running co2 without an ac especially since ur having temp problems now already. if u turn the fan off it gets like a hundred degrees in the tent right? cuz i went thru the same issues when i started in the spot im in now. lol. heat fucked my first harvest. second one went better cuz i fixed the heat issue the same way im im telling u how to. the more airflow the cooler ur tent will be. :)
If I turn the fan off the tent will catch on fire!

The 1000 watt madness is new to me so I was a little ill prepared but am quickly reevaluating the situation. My current temps are not out of control but my real limiting factor here is the power supply to my garage, no 220! I only have (1) 20 amp circuit powering everything and I am pushing about 15-16 amps right now so I am right at the limit. I have an idea to make a transmission oil cooler and a fan into a makeshift A/C that will be powered by my water chiller and that way I am only adding a small fan to the mix and I know I can do that because I just removed a small humidifier that I had in there for veg. What is the max temp that you would recommend for flowering without CO2?

I may be making my makeshift A/C tomorrow, depending on your answer.....
 

wheels619

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If I turn the fan off the tent will catch on fire!

The 1000 watt madness is new to me so I was a little ill prepared but am quickly reevaluating the situation. My current temps are not out of control but my real limiting factor here is the power supply to my garage, no 220! I only have (1) 20 amp circuit powering everything and I am pushing about 15-16 amps right now so I am right at the limit. I have an idea to make a transmission oil cooler and a fan into a makeshift A/C that will be powered by my water chiller and that way I am only adding a small fan to the mix and I know I can do that because I just removed a small humidifier that I had in there for veg. What is the max temp that you would recommend for flowering without CO2?

I may be making my makeshift A/C tomorrow, depending on your answer.....
im flowering now with about 81 degrees. but its still too high in my opinion. im gonna toss an old ac unit i have laying in the back shed in it if it gets any higher just until this next harvest when i can move my whole setup. i screwed up and put the thing directly in the path of the sun and cant move it now. lmao. so all it does is bake in the sun from like 2 in the afternoon till sundown. altho i have flowered in 90 degree death last summer before i fixed my heat issues and it still came out pretty good. it just killed my yield. came out real fluffy and light. lost a lot of its denseness.

also if u run an extension cord from a different outlet into ur grow space from another part of the house, u can power all the other stuff besides the light and inline fans. u can however plug in air pumps, air stones, ac, and osculating fans and all the other none super power consuming stuff into the other room cord. i do it now. its horrible i know but it works when ur in a bind. im stuck without 220 and i know it sucks. i feel ur pain.
 

berkman858

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im flowering now with about 81 degrees. but its still too high in my opinion. im gonna toss an old ac unit i have laying in the back shed in it if it gets any higher just until this next harvest when i can move my whole setup. i screwed up and put the thing directly in the path of the sun and cant move it now. lmao. so all it does is bake in the sun from like 2 in the afternoon till sundown. altho i have flowered in 90 degree death last summer before i fixed my heat issues and it still came out pretty good. it just killed my yield. came out real fluffy and light. lost a lot of its denseness.

also if u run an extension cord from a different outlet into ur grow space from another part of the house, u can power all the other stuff besides the light and inline fans. u can however plug in air pumps, air stones, ac, and osculating fans and all the other none super power consuming stuff into the other room cord. i do it now. its horrible i know but it works when ur in a bind. im stuck without 220 and i know it sucks. i feel ur pain.
I am trying everything I can to NOT run extension cords, but I will if need be. I will try my makeshift A/C and if that doesn't work I will reevaluate my situation. I need to get some 220 action.
 

wheels619

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I am trying everything I can to NOT run extension cords, but I will if need be. I will try my makeshift A/C and if that doesn't work I will reevaluate my situation. I need to get some 220 action.
yeah i know but i dont feel like spending all the money on new ballast again. i just got a new 1000watt. plus id have to hire someone to do it and its hard when u grow weed and if i did it myself id probably end up fried. :-/
 

berkman858

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yeah i know but i dont feel like spending all the money on new ballast again. i just got a new 1000watt. plus id have to hire someone to do it and its hard when u grow weed and if i did it myself id probably end up fried. :-/
Yeah I hear you but electrical work isn't all that hard if you read up and do it proper, although I totally understand the apprehension. 220 will give you quite a jolt!

Either way, my next place will have 220, it's a necessity to get where I want to get. I need to be able to power everything plus have extra headroom so I am not running the circuit as hot as I currently am.
 

unity

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Cheers bro! In Cali you will need ac if you want to grow year round. I'm a HVAC guy, and I have tried, fuck I made it my mission to keep my temps low enough to not need ac. To no avail. Your garage will slowly heat up as the heat load from the grow tent gets moved to the garage via the extraction fan. Further more you have a chiller in the garage that moves all the heat load from the water into the garage, compounding the problem.
The quantity of heat that the extraction fan can remove from the tent is completely dependent on the delta t (temperature difference between ambient air and grow tent air). As the ambient air (garage) heats up your heat removal from the extraction fan will go down. We are only in April right now and have not seen any consistent warm weather yet, I think you will be in for a surprise. My friend goes kind a like you do, but he will reduce wattage of his light from a 600w to a 400w and max out during the hottest days around 85f. Keep in mind his garage heats up to over 110f in the summer, ventilation is super important so the garage does not heat up that much. The cooler you keep the garage the more effective your fan extraction will be. Good luck! PM me if you want solutions that work, I also live in California!
 

wheels619

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Cheers bro! In Cali you will need ac if you want to grow year round. I'm a HVAC guy, and I have tried, fuck I made it my mission to keep my temps low enough to not need ac. To no avail. Your garage will slowly heat up as the heat load from the grow tent gets moved to the garage via the extraction fan. Further more you have a chiller in the garage that moves all the heat load from the water into the garage, compounding the problem.
The quantity of heat that the extraction fan can remove from the tent is completely dependent on the delta t (temperature difference between ambient air and grow tent air). As the ambient air (garage) heats up your heat removal from the extraction fan will go down. We are only in April right now and have not seen any consistent warm weather yet, I think you will be in for a surprise. My friend goes kind a like you do, but he will reduce wattage of his light from a 600w to a 400w and max out during the hottest days around 85f. Keep in mind his garage heats up to over 110f in the summer, ventilation is super important so the garage does not heat up that much. The cooler you keep the garage the more effective your fan extraction will be. Good luck! PM me if you want solutions that work, I also live in California!
easy soolution. make an exhaust with a box fan for the garage. its not the end of the world and i doubt a single thousand and water cooler will make it anywhere near that hot. plus with 2 nice fans for intake and exhaust for the tent itself he should be ok. if the garage does get hot just run ducting to a window from the tents exhaust fan. heat issue solved.

oh and no offence but ur buddies garage suck if its getting that hot. even with one of my sheds running a 1000 in the direct sunlight only gets 86 in summer becuz of the fans. if u have proper ventilation u wont have heat issues even during summer. order goes 6 inch intake fan at least 200cfm, xxl hood to disperse the bulbs heat in a larger area than a smaller hood and an 8 inch exhaust fan 700cfm+ with filter. no ac. the more and faster ur airflow the cooler the air is that enters ur tent even if its 94 degrees outside like last july.
 

berkman858

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Cheers bro! In Cali you will need ac if you want to grow year round. I'm a HVAC guy, and I have tried, fuck I made it my mission to keep my temps low enough to not need ac. To no avail. Your garage will slowly heat up as the heat load from the grow tent gets moved to the garage via the extraction fan. Further more you have a chiller in the garage that moves all the heat load from the water into the garage, compounding the problem.
The quantity of heat that the extraction fan can remove from the tent is completely dependent on the delta t (temperature difference between ambient air and grow tent air). As the ambient air (garage) heats up your heat removal from the extraction fan will go down. We are only in April right now and have not seen any consistent warm weather yet, I think you will be in for a surprise. My friend goes kind a like you do, but he will reduce wattage of his light from a 600w to a 400w and max out during the hottest days around 85f. Keep in mind his garage heats up to over 110f in the summer, ventilation is super important so the garage does not heat up that much. The cooler you keep the garage the more effective your fan extraction will be. Good luck! PM me if you want solutions that work, I also live in California!
Thanks but my tent hasn't gone above 83 degrees and my garage doesn't get all that warm. I will get a portable A/C and run an extension cord if need be.
 

berkman858

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how are ur babies doing?
Well I am not sure. I am battling this slimey algae shit and I am not sure if its getting better or worse. I will know more at 8pm when I open my tent up. I am crossing my fingers that the good bacteria is beating the bad. Wish me luck...
 

berkman858

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I just checked my roots and they are looking much much better. I think the Orca is doing its job and killing all that bad stuff. Go Orca!
 

berkman858

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UPDATE: Growth has really accelerated since I have switched to 12/12 and added bennies. See for yourself, this is just one day's growth.


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Next addition will be CO2!!
 

BlasphemyFloyd

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Your system is beautiful but has one major flaw, which is causing your problem with slime in the root system. Your buckets! I noticed it back in page 5 when you where showing your root, your buckets should be solid black, but I noticed yours are green (and kind of sheer) you can see light bouncing off your reflective film THROUGH the bucket. :

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I love those buckets (I have a thing for the color green) but they have to go! Switch them out for some solid black ones. If you cant find any around just double up your buckets (let one bucket nest into the other one). I think thats why you are getting slime. I found that heat was never the cause of slime, but once you do get slime heat does nothing but help the bacteria spread and propagate quickly. Your heat should be fine. No light to the water = clean fresh water all the time :)
I hope this helps you man.

Ps. You look handy, I suggest you try to build an aeroponic cloner system (works wonders!).
 

wheels619

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Your system is beautiful but has one major flaw, which is causing your problem with slime in the root system. Your buckets! I noticed it back in page 5 when you where showing your root, your buckets should be solid black, but I noticed yours are green (and kind of sheer) you can see light bouncing off your reflective film THROUGH the bucket. :

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I love those buckets (I have a thing for the color green) but they have to go! Switch them out for some solid black ones. If you cant find any around just double up your buckets (let one bucket nest into the other one). I think thats why you are getting slime. I found that heat was never the cause of slime, but once you do get slime heat does nothing but help the bacteria spread and propagate quickly. Your heat should be fine. No light to the water = clean fresh water all the time :)
I hope this helps you man.

Ps. You look handy, I suggest you try to build an aeroponic cloner system (works wonders!).
or u can wrap them in black plastic bags with duct tape. same thing as long as the light is blocked. good catch. i didn't even notice the buckets weren't black.
 

wheels619

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UPDATE: Growth has really accelerated since I have switched to 12/12 and added bennies. See for yourself, this is just one day's growth.


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Next addition will be CO2!!
they look good man. just keep on the slime and wrap ur buckests in black plastic bags. helps keep the light out. u could replace the buckets but it would be a pain. easier and cheaper solutions out there. oh grab some panda film or something similar. pretty cheap and light proof. plus all it would take is one good layer.
 
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