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geekmike

geekmike

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No, but in a standard garden (tomatoes for example) you need to wait at least a year and amend greatly before you optimally would replant in the same spot so you rotate beds and plant cover crops or other beneficial plants. So yes, you can re-use dirt but optimally you would amend it and let it sit for 6 months or longer.
 
wormdrive66

wormdrive66

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I plan on rotating my soil and adding amendments between uses.

We have the green waste containers that the city picks up once a week so it was too Easy to just dump it. Plus the shit is so toxic after being pumped full of synthetics. Can't see much use for it other than spreading around the yard.
 
duchieman

duchieman

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Yes, that's true and apply to larger farming when crops are rotated like winter wheat and tobacco, etc.. Amending is definitely necessary, especially in container growing, but it's pretty easy to do I think, especially when your starting with medium that's already going. When I repot I'll add perlite, castings, dolo lime, phosphate, and humik on a pot per pot basis at about a 50% rate, and then mixing it up before I TP. That's when I'll add myco and EM's. I think it's mainly the P and the humic that take a while to break down so my theory is that while the P and humic I just added is breaking down, the plant will feed off the ones that are already broken down from the previous grow/plant and will feed on the new stuff later on, or not at all, and pass it along. Seems to be working for me.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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only reason i'll refuse to work with soil indoors is 80% chance of bugs, the more and more soil growers i see, nearly all of them have bug issues, mites/thrips, broad mites u name it, all soil, that is where they come from. Hydroponics is supposed to be clean, i say keep soil outside, if u wanna use it grow outdoors! hydroponics is about a controlled environment, and i just cant see a point in risking for bugs, when i see around an 80% rate of soil growers having bug issues. it just doesnt make sense to me. i have had soil/hydro /aero/aqua erbs, and it all comes down to how well the erb is grown, and picked at the right time and dried properly.

in saying that. i love all erb grown all ways. i just like to keep it more simple, clean, and controlled :) and yes organics sounds great, but does it get u any more high? is the end product really any safer to smoke? this needs to be tested properly. i thought the whole idea of hydroponics was to cheat mother nature. not mimic

i grow 100% perlite, and have a mate who grows organically the same strain, i go my perlite over the organic, it seems to have more smell, flavour and a stronger hit, but then again he doesn't grow like me, each to their own, i love the idea how hes trying to be more natural, but i think i'm even steering him toward perlite, he just cant get a big yield in the time frame that i can.

one day i may try organics, maybe an aquaponics fish farm, but for now in my young days, i'm keeping it simple, clean, and hopefully less bugs :)
 
curious old fart

curious old fart

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flo

I hate to tell you, but you can get bugs in a hydro grow too.
Bugs don't give a shit what medium the food is in.
The easiest way to acquire them is to put a foreign clone in your room without treating it first.

:peace:
cof
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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curious old fart said:
flo

I hate to tell you, but you can get bugs in a hydro grow too.
Bugs don't give a shit what medium the food is in.
The easiest way to acquire them is to put a foreign clone in your room without treating it first.

:peace:
cof
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yeah, i understand that, but i just mean minimizing risk, soil comes with bugs, perlite doesnt , just my thoughts, as i said i love both :) some bugs are after your roots, some are after your leaves, i always treat my clones with garlic and pyrethrum spray, always, and let them sit in a spotless clean tent overnight with the spray down

edit : i had white flies this grow but eradicate them immediately at week 3 veg. i probably brought them in on my clotes, as i grow in my backyard aswell, so in a way i am a bit uselss in that regard, i am risking bugs, but i try not to be clothed in my grow room, and never go straight in there from outside, i have never had spider mites thank god!!!!
 
geekmike

geekmike

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properly grown organic bud IS more flavorful just like tomatoes that are pushed to the max they just don't taste as good as my greenhouse grown organic ones. I grow Heinz tomatoes in my GH and I assure you that mine taste far better than any nutrient pushed monster in the store.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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thats because you put you hard love into it :) your own will always be better :)

no doubt there, lol i grew some tomatoes with cyco! i dont eat them , but my mrs said they were yummy!! cherry tomatoes.....big cherry tomatoes lol
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

TrynaGroSumShyt

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My issues with organics is it isn't as simple as i'd like. Or i don't or didn't think it was. iv'e wanted to go full on organic before but couldn't make schedule work for me. i even bought worms. just came in from goin worm hunting with my nephew again. Why? i have no idea, but it's feeding his mind. Now he has two 4inch leopard slugs and a dozen or more worms, and a few roly-pollies.
To the people who make tea. is it the same tea throughout a lifetime? or adjustments being made for age of the plant?
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

TrynaGroSumShyt

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It's been some years since i even entertained actual organics. How simple can i make it? What are the most popular methods. I know some people feed through the soils, and some like Whodat(sorry bout the saints bruh) make tea's. also, i know this may sound awkward but what about a bloom booster or something of the sort. Also i do not have R/O filter. Would it even make sense to try orgy garden with tap water?
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I add Neem Meal, Diatomaceous Earth, and Crab Shell Meal to the soil when I initially mix it. I look at these as being primarily pest deterrents. Not nutrients, though the have nutritive value. I also add predatory nematodes and the bacteria in mosquito dunks. I mix the soil and let the critters do their thing. I haven't seen so much a a fly ever since. Amazing.

Also, when I re-use the soil, I will not disturb it. Simply chop the plant at the base, make an incision in the soil, plop my seed and go. The soil system is at peak momentum at that time. The delicate and complex fungal webs are in place. As soon as the new seed sprouts it will be swarmed by that active fungus looking for new roots to tend to, now that the other plant roots are dying. A big jump start.

I'm in week 2 of flower and am now adding back in EWC and compost under my water drippers (no nutes). This will start slowly adding back raw nutes for the bacteria and fungi to lock up for future use.

That's the plan.
 
curious old fart

curious old fart

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TrynaGroSumShyt said:
It's been some years since i even entertained actual organics. How simple can i make it? What are the most popular methods. I know some people feed through the soils, and some like Whodat(sorry bout the saints bruh) make tea's. also, i know this may sound awkward but what about a bloom booster or something of the sort. Also i do not have R/O filter. Would it even make sense to try orgy garden with tap water?
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my earlier post 37729 is organic...and about as simply as you can get....mix and water.

:peace:
cof
 
duchieman

duchieman

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Hang em high!

Not growing in soil because you might get bugs. That's crazy! That's like not going out because you might pick something up. A couple of years for me now and I've never had any bugs. Other than gnats and they're just a bother.
 
flowamasta

flowamasta

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it's not the only reason, if u read, i stated that i also use perlite to cheat mother nature and speed up root growth, my results do speak for themselves, im not saying better. i'm saying 'faster' :) if i want to use soil, i use it outside where it makes sense that's all, my theory and understanding of hydroponics, well my style anyway, is to grow as fast as possible and cheat mother nature / synthesizing mother natures best elements therefore eliminating alot, NOT ALL, but most pests.....

i know this topic is shady to say the least, i'm not saying i dont' agree with soil growing, i prefer cleanliness. easier to flush, and correct problems aswell, i'm just trying to make my life easier, and perlite does that for me.

some of the best weed ive ever smoked was probably grown in soil....who knows really, but my first batch made me a very happy chappy :) each to their own, i compliment all good theories and grows
 
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