trayvan martin

[UncleBuck]

Martin was beatin the shit out of zimmerman (making him bloody and bruised with grass stains on his back yelling for help) its a open shut case of self defense.

there is zero evidence of what you said.

not surprising for mr. fluoride to make things up like this.

 

[RoninAmok]

You are still assuming you have all the information...

And you are basically asserting the same thing in an attempt to indict the victim and defend the indefensible.


A question for you , since your focus is basically " don't convict the shooter too soon" , then why are you making an attempt to convict the victim " too soon".


And I'll cite this again , and I've seen many of these sorts of things......the likelihood is that Zimmerman tried to throw his weight around and started a physical confrontation and drastically misread his opponent and then when in over his head pussed out and shot the kid.

If he'd had a knife he'd have cut the kid , if he'd had something to clout him with he'd have used that. I have been in *exactly* such escalatory situations , guy starts shit and you're kicking the everloving shit out of him and he goes to a weapon , his buddies jump in etc.etc.

Look I t'ain't going into details , suffice to say that I never open my yap about things I don't know something about , adn I've spent my life learning about violence and how to accomplish *specifically to AVOID violence*. This tragedy IS NOT UNUSUAL , it's becoming MORE commonplace , and THAT indeed is the much broader and infinitely sicker and more depressing picture looming over this specific tragedy.

In addition I *know* Sanford Fla and the Orlando area. I have very little doubt of what transpired , I've been a halfbreed in that part of Fla , just not the combo they thought , much to their chagrin.

And as I noted , politicos and sleazeballs are attempting to exploit this further along racial lines , the whole sordid mess is fucking disgusting from top to bottom....this kinda shit is why I reside so damn far out in the boonies.

 

[NLXSK1]

And you are basically asserting the same thing in an attempt to indict the victim and defend the indefensible.


A question for you , since your focus is basically " don't convict the shooter too soon" , then why are you making an attempt to convict the victim " too soon".


And I'll cite this again , and I've seen many of these sorts of things......the likelihood is that Zimmerman tried to throw his weight around and started a physical confrontation and drastically misread his opponent and then when in over his head pussed out and shot the kid.

If he'd had a knife he'd have cut the kid , if he'd had something to clout him with he'd have used that. I have been in *exactly* such escalatory situations , guy starts shit and you're kicking the everloving shit out of him and he goes to a weapon , his buddies jump in etc.etc.

Look I t'ain't going into details , suffice to say that I never open my yap about things I don't know something about , adn I've spent my life learning about violence and how to accomplish *specifically to AVOID violence*. This tragedy IS NOT UNUSUAL , it's becoming MORE commonplace , and THAT indeed is the much broader and infinitely sicker and more depressing picture looming over this specific tragedy.

In addition I *know* Sanford Fla and the Orlando area. I have very little doubt of what transpired , I've been a halfbreed in that part of Fla , just not the combo they thought , much to their chagrin.

And as I noted , politicos and sleazeballs are attempting to exploit this further along racial lines , the whole sordid mess is fucking disgusting from top to bottom....this kinda shit is why I reside so damn far out in the boonies.

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I have been asserting that we should wait for the grand jury and not convict the guy.

However, I am happy to wallow in hypotheticals with UB if that is what he wants cause I am bored.

 

[UncleBuck]

The eye witness and the police.

lol, the police.

the same police force who "corrected" other witness accounts of the situation?

the same police force who did nothing to a guy who decked a homeless man in the following tape?

[video=youtube;BHGEam82GME]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHGEam82GME[/video]

yeah, you go ahead and bet the house and farm on their version of events. funny that they collected no evidence of this beating you say took place. not a photo, nothing.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

So, if you chase someone and they suddenly turn and assault you, you have given up your rights because you ran after them?

That is some pretty fucked up logic there skippy....

Unless you can prove that Zimmerman attacked the kid first which is highly unlikely then self defense is most certainly a defense.

If you were following me and either my wife and kids were with me, I'd tell you to get lost. If you kept it up, and you got into a situation where I could attack you like Martin did, I'd keep stabbing you till I knew you were dead. Martin's only problem is he was trying to beat up Zimmerman. When dealing with a psychopath who doesn't mind his own business, you have to kill cause look what happened.

 

[RoninAmok]

So, if you chase someone and they suddenly turn and assault you, you have given up your rights because you ran after them?

That is some pretty fucked up logic there skippy....

Unless you can prove that Zimmerman attacked the kid first which is highly unlikely then self defense is most certainly a defense.

Tell ya what " skippy" , mayhap you should go read up on " escalation of force" and " disparity of force" as it applies to self defense case law.

And can we now dispense with the ad hominem such as " Skippy" , or shall I just start making a "special project" outa you? I mean REALLY is it needed? Do we HAVE to " cut each other up"? Really?

I'll dispense with it completely if *you* will , and I'm sure others will follow suit . 'cause in the last analysis we all ARE in this together in the end.......aren't we?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

someone is dead for no reason . . . . . .it is wrong . . .a crime has been committed . . .. figure it out

how are so many so blinded by there sense of bureaucracy and or bigotry, just because there is a law that says you can do this does not make what you do just or morale or protected by our constitution- the law of the land

you can not stalk and kill someone out of fear . . . .

 

[RoninAmok]

I have been asserting that we should wait for the grand jury and not convict the guy.

However, I am happy to wallow in hypotheticals with UB if that is what he wants cause I am bored.

Siighhhhh.....ya missed my point . Please aply those same courtesies to the victim then. Zimmerman is alive , he can speak for himself.

 

[UncleBuck]

Did he even belong in the gated community ?

i was wondering if maybe, just maybe, you were race trolling here, as this is one of the most vile and racist things that could be said here.

but thankfully, you cleared it up for me right away.

All the above are honest questions....

at least you are honest about your racism.

 

[NoDrama]

lol, concerned citizen.

his pursuit of trayvon is what initially provoked the situation.

there is no way you can argue that trayvon was the aggressor in this situation. he was walking home with some fucking candy.

once you provoke the situation in this manner, you lose your ability to claim self defense except as 776.041 dictates.

take your la-la land fantasy logic and get the fuck out of here. or start talking about cars again. something more on your level here.

Remember, when some young punk jumps your fence to rip your plants and meets you there. You will have your axe/shotgun/pistol YOU WILL BE THE AGGRESSOR AND MURDERER IF YOU KILL HIM. You know full well if you got an axe in hand you are entertaining the idea of killing. Don't forget that. You sit outside in wait for them to come, YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR!!

 

[UncleBuck]

...pummel zimmermen into a coma?

lol, a coma?

wow.

there is ZERO evidence that martin was actually beating zimmerman.

there is ZERO evidence that zimmerman had a bloody nose.

the ONLY way your scenario works is if you guys decide on your own that martin was beating zimmerman viciously, which is pretty unlikely since zimmerman is doing just fine and there is NO EVIDENCE of his "bloody nose" or "grass stained shirt", as one of the most corrupt police forces says (but never documented in the least).

laughable bullshit from the people trying their best to grant zimmerman sainthood.

 

[UncleBuck]

'From the clips that I’ve heard online, I heard George. That sounded like someone who was in dire need of help. It sounded like George.'-Joe Oliver

However, several people who witnessed the deadly shooting last month said the shrieks were that of a teenager.
But Mr Oliver, who has known Zimmerman for the better part of a decade, insisted that the cries were those of someone seeking help, and added that in the duration of their friendship, has not seen the man with a Peruvian mother and white father acting in a racist manner.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120096/Trayvon-Martin-case-Friend-Zimmerman-identifies-Neighbourhood-Watch-captain-screaming-help-911-call.html#ixzz1q9QSL8Tp​

martin's own mother has said that the cries for help on the 911 tape are those of her son.

so whereas you are more inclined to trust a murdering cop wannabe's friend, i place more confidence in a mother's intimate knowledge of her son.

 

[cannabineer]

Remember, when some young punk jumps your fence to rip your plants and meets you there. You will have your axe/shotgun/pistol YOU WILL BE THE AGGRESSOR AND MURDERER IF YOU KILL HIM. You know full well if you got an axe in hand you are entertaining the idea of killing. Don't forget that. You sit outside in wait for them to come, YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR!!

This raises an interesting philosophical question: if someone jumps my fence, and I am in a position to quickly create an ambush ... who is the aggressor? Is planning for the defense of my patch (which is fenced) at all compatible with aggression? Assume I have a gun or axe handy but not actually in hand, and that the fence jumping was a surprise. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

You are still assuming you have all the information...

i have enough information to know who initially provoked the situation, and it was the overzealous cop wannabe with the gun who followed the unarmed kid with the skittles.

if zimmerman stays put, martin goes home and eats skittles. that is inarguable.

once you initially provoke the situation, you have very few exceptions under 776.041, and zimmerman qualified for neither exception.

 

[UncleBuck]

Again, that was Mr. Mindbender.... But lets not let facts get in the way of your assumptions. You are on such a roll...

mixedmelody mistook the race of zimmerman, and canna corrected him, no BFD.

then you and desertdude came in here and made things ugly.

anyone can read back and see it. btw, you tried to use that pathetic defense already.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, if you chase someone and they suddenly turn and assault you, you have given up your rights because you ran after them?

under the justifiable use of force law, if you follow someone, rather than simply stand your ground, you lose your protections. look it up.

Unless you can prove that Zimmerman attacked the kid first which is highly unlikely then self defense is most certainly a defense.

zimmerman initially provoked the situation. go read the law and try again.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

 

[UncleBuck]

Remember, when some young punk jumps your fence to rip your plants and meets you there. You will have your axe/shotgun/pistol YOU WILL BE THE AGGRESSOR AND MURDERER IF YOU KILL HIM. You know full well if you got an axe in hand you are entertaining the idea of killing. Don't forget that. You sit outside in wait for them to come, YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR!!

that's actually true in my state.

if the person is just taking my plants and not threatening my life, i have to leave the axe and simply call the cops.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Remember, when some young punk jumps your fence to rip your plants and meets you there. You will have your axe/shotgun/pistol YOU WILL BE THE AGGRESSOR AND MURDERER IF YOU KILL HIM. You know full well if you got an axe in hand you are entertaining the idea of killing. Don't forget that. You sit outside in wait for them to come, YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR!!

But that's not what happened. He was walking home after buying over priced snacks at 7/11. Then dickface follows him and acts all creepy. Zimmerman is no different than a ripper. Rippers want a free high, Zimmerman wanted free hero worship for offing nigger scum. But it doesn't matter your fucked up reasons for violating another's personal rights. No one deserves that. Bringing race into it insults us all. Everyone is human. Can you get that? We're all fucking human! We need to leave eachother alone. You only harm another when they take away life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Zimmerman took that away. If Martin wanted to look like a thug, so be it. His only punishment should be people are scared of him for his thug looks. Not death. Not even getting hunted like an animal.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

No drama

you think that a man jumping into my property to rob me and i defend my property in real time not some after the fact witch hunt and . . ..

a man following another on the street into a apartment complex(his home as far as he knew or his next target if you paranoid and delusional, harassing him then shooting him,

in any scenario the aggressoer decided to do it and made the decision to be there, same as the man who decided to jump my fence in above situation


you think these are parallel situation or event in life ???? . . . . .. . .

the aggressor in each scenario should be obvious

 

[bundee1]

Remember, when some young punk jumps your fence to rip your plants and meets you there. You will have your axe/shotgun/pistol YOU WILL BE THE AGGRESSOR AND MURDERER IF YOU KILL HIM. You know full well if you got an axe in hand you are entertaining the idea of killing. Don't forget that. You sit outside in wait for them to come, YOU ARE THE AGGRESSOR!!

So Trayvons a young punk now and according to mindmelted he shouldnt belong in a gated community. That is the exact mentality that got this kid shot. Again makes you wonder.