trayvan martin

[DelSlow]

Even if not following him was in some vague way telepathically relayed to mr Zimmerman, the Police still said nothing of the kind, I don't care if 100 dispatchers told him not to follow, even if you have proof of 100 dispatchers and can back it up 100%. The police never told him to do shit.

Ok, I see what you did there.

 

[dbkick]

Even if not following him was in some vague way telepathically relayed to mr Zimmerman, the Police still said nothing of the kind, I don't care if 100 dispatchers told him not to follow, even if you have proof of 100 dispatchers and can back it up 100%. The police never told him to do shit.

you're fucked up man, goodbye. Hope it isn't you're kid next time.

 

[UncleBuck]

How do you know what someone sounds like when they are screaming when you've never met them before?

his dad said it sounded like his son when he listened to the tapes.

are you done granting sainthood to zimmerman yet?

 

[NoDrama]

his dad said it sounded like his son when he listened to the tapes.

are you done granting sainthood to zimmerman yet?

I wonder if Zimmerman's mother could be brought in to corroborate such a thing.

 

[RoninAmok]

Even if the words "Mr Zimmerman, DO NOT FOLLOW HIM" are clearly printed on an official transcript, my fact still stands. The police never once told him to not follow, not once not ever.

And you quite clearly are unfamilar with dispatch procedures and the s.o.p. in virtually every department across the land.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

what exactly is your dog in this fight No Drama or are you here just to split hairs . . . . .. . . . . .. . .are you playing devils advocate here or defending this mans right to abuse laws that should never have been allowed to exist in the first place

this man took the law into his own hands through delusional paranoia. period. and ya in this mans case a civil servant aka "police telephone operator" might as well be fucking Jesus because listening to the advise of the person who is gonna seal the deal on 30+ years sentence, as she testifies that this man was non responsive and worked up as he chased and eventually gunned down his neighbor for being black aka suspicious , would be the correct choice

so what exactly is your argument here?

 

[cliffey501]

his dad said it sounded like his son when he listened to the tapes.

are you done granting sainthood to zimmerman yet?

Well thats not what he told the police.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

definitelyseems that more happened then is being told but number one when you stalk and attack/confront someone with a weapon it is obvious what your intentions are

and after the 911 told him not to

it is a sad day when stupidity wins

 

[NoDrama]

what exactly is your dog in this fight No Drama or are you here just to split hairs . . . . .. . . . . .. . .are you playing devils advocate here or defending this mans right to abuse laws that should never have been allowed to exist in the first place

this man took the law into his own hands through delusional paranoia. period. and ya in this mans case a civil servant aka "police telephone operator" might as well be fucking Jesus because listening to the advise of the person who is gonna seal the deal on 30+ years sentence, as she testifies that this man was non responsive and worked up as he chased and eventually gunned down his neighbor for being black aka suspicious , would be the correct choice

so what exactly is your argument here?

My argument is that most of you are completely and totally unaware of the actual FACTS. The dispatcher would have told a teary eyed mother to not follow her baby as it was being kidnapped in front of her eyes. The dispatcher would have told the guy not to follow Trayvan even if trayvan had just shot and killed numerous people and was going to get away. The dispatcher cannot tell you what to do, they have absolutely zero liability and no authority. None whatsoever, not even a tiny eensie weensie little bit of authority to tell you what to do.

So using the defense that somehow Mr Zimmerman was "Ordered" to not follow him as being an aggravating circumstance is moot.

 

[cliffey501]

definitelyseems that more happened then is being told but number one when you stalk and attack/confront someone with a weapon it is obvious what your intentions are

and after the 911 told him not to

it is a sad day when stupidity wins

Actually according to trayvons g/f (which he was on the phone with at the time of the confrontation) Trayvon said"why are you following me?" in which zimmerman replied "what are you doing around here?".So technically trayvon engaged zimmermen.Who actually laid hands on who first? Only 2 people know for sure and 1 is dead.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

do you have any points or are you just here to spin words . . ..

he killed this man after following him because of his own paranoia . . . martin had skittles

and then used a stand your ground law to excuse his mistake

 

[londonfog]

Well thats not what he told the police.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html

at this time I don't think much of what the Sanford police says..

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Actually according to trayvons g/f (which he was on the phone with at the time of the confrontation) Trayvon said"why are you following me?" in which zimmerman replied "what are you doing around here?".So technically trayvon engaged zimmermen.Who actually laid hands on who first? Only 2 people know for sure and 1 is dead.

if i stalk you around your home with a gun what exactly are my intentions, weather or not some one used words to communitcate with you or me

and what crime did martin commit to warrant being followed?

 

[UncleBuck]

Well thats not what he told the police.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html

ya mean, the same police force that "corrected" witness accounts of what happened?

LOL!

by the way, your link is dead. deader than trayvon martin.

correction, it was his mother who said those screams were her son's screams.

[video=youtube;tVX6jiRYaCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tVX6jiRYaCM[/video]

 

[cliffey501]

Actually YEAH you freaking Yankee TWIT , and *anyone* who has ever lived in the area in question and had to deal with the Pigs outa Sanford knows this , now I suppose that ya gonna tell me all about it , I'm sure you're an EGGgSpUrt on all the cracker ass towns in a northerly radius around Orlando.

And YEAH ( again) you're goddamned STRAIGHT that the Sanford Pd is a pack of racist cracker assholes , and the few who aren't are just " Yes Men" waiting on the f***ing pension.

As I stated I'm a licensed defensive firearms instructor , combat tactics too but that's a different kettle of fish. There was *ZERO* way this was self defense , under ANY current statute in *ANY* state. When you *pursue* then YOU become the assailant , if you doubt this then start reading Ayoob and others and read the pertinent case law as applies to thos issue.

This *was not* a case where " stand your ground" is applicable , and something else. Even as an active competition and recreational shooter , range and defensive instructor and high power competitor and instructor I personally find the " stand your ground" laws troubling as they are currently being enforced.

*ANY* individual who has a CCW and " carries " should be held to a MUCH higher standard of behavior and control , carry *requires* you to do everything in your power to avoid a confrontation and if there IS one to avoid escalation of force if at all possible. In many cases if you have to draw your weapon it indicates that you have lost control of the situation.

And quite frankly as I have previously stated had Zimmerman pursued an armed and properly trained individual with his weapon in view in the manner he did the outcome would have quite likely been much different.

AGAIN..............Zimmerman went ***looking for trouble**** , the reasons are now immaterial , the fact that he did so and found what he sought is what's pertinent to this.

Someone likes to toot their own horn.LOL.I get it you know your way around a fire arm.cool story bro.The truth is I approached you on the street and asked what you where doing in the neighborhood, you most definately could tell me to fuck off and whatever else you would like BUT if you lay hands on me thats assault.If you are being assaulted you have the right to defend yourself.

 

[NoDrama]

do you have any points or are you just here to spin words . . ..

he killed this man after following him because of his own paranoia . . . martin had skittles

and then used a stand your ground law to excuse his mistake

You are absolutely sure of this 100%? It would not be possible for Trayvon to attack Zimmerman first? You know for a fact that Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon and put a bullet in him unprovoked?

 

[UncleBuck]

Actually according to trayvons g/f (which he was on the phone with at the time of the confrontation) Trayvon said"why are you following me?" in which zimmerman replied "what are you doing around here?".So technically trayvon engaged zimmermen.Who actually laid hands on who first? Only 2 people know for sure and 1 is dead.

zimmerman engaged martin by following him, dum-dum.

and by provoking the incident, loses all protection under stand your ground laws.

go cry now.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you are being assaulted you have the right to defend yourself.

if you provoked the incident by pursuing someone, you have no right to use deadly force AND argue self defense.

 

[UncleBuck]

You are absolutely sure of this 100%? It would not be possible for Trayvon to attack Zimmerman first? You know for a fact that Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon and put a bullet in him unprovoked?

zimmerman provoked the situation by admittedly pursuing martin, self defense under the statute in question no longer applies at that point.

 

[NoDrama]

if i stalk you around your home with a gun what exactly are my intentions, weather or not some one used words to communitcate with you or me

and what crime did martin commit to warrant being followed?

You don't have to commit a crime to warrant being followed by a neighborhood watch person. No law prohibits following someone else.