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[phillipchristian]

HEY~ i have a question. how about i get the 1000w dimmables, get 1000w bulbs. run everything at 600w, and if it does not produce like i think it should or could, i can then just switch it up to 1000w and be where i want to be. im not disagreeing with you by any means. i have been told a few times that 1000w is a little much for a 4x4. but a lot of grow books, and other growers DO advise using or say you can use a 1000w in a 4x4. i know a 1000w would be more efficient in a 6x6 tent or space. im mostly thinking about the future. 1 day, these tents will be gone, i will be in my own house, and then i will use 4 1000w in a 12x12 room. that is my ultimate goal!!! i also go by watts. i have heard 1g/watt is about average. in my head 600w is less then 1000w. my 1st set up involved a 1000w light and a light mover. how does that sound? i just hear my buddies grower getting 2.5 pounds from 2x1000w lights. in a 4x8 tent. is it safe to say that i could get 5 pounds out of a 4x8 with 2x600w lights? i have a pretty good feeling you will say "yes"!

Hey Oshi,

Since the RIU hack we lost a lot of the posts. Which room was yours again? I can't remember.

Running 1000w lights dimmed to 600w actually changes the color spectrum on them. I have read some research that says it is better to put in 600w bulbs if you are going to run your ballasts on a dimmed setting. If I were you I would get the 1000w dimmable ballasts but run them on 600w with 600w bulbs for now. If your space is ONLY 4x4 then I would say yes; go ahead and run a 1000w light. But if you are talking about stacking multiple lights in a 8x8 space then 4 1000w lights is a waste because 4 600w lights is more than enough.

I am not a big fan of light mover during flower. During veg maybe. I guess I am not a big fan of light movers period. I think they are best suited for situations where you have limitations (heat, money, electricity) and want to get the most you can out of the situation.

I honestly think 5lbs out of a 4x8 tent is gonna be real tough! Maybe if you did a SOG. Even then I don't think so. If your buddy has a 4x8 tent and is only getting 2.5lbs then he is pulling roughly .5g per watt. That's realistic. Experienced growers get 1-1.5 MAX. 5lbs out of a 4x8 tent with 2,000 watts is a little over 1.1g per watt. I think that is a stretch for a newer grower in a new environment.

 

[phillipchristian]

oh! 1 more question. you said they make a ballast that i can plug 2 600w lights into, correct? do they make the same ballast for 2x1000w lights? and if so, how many amps does that draw?

are bathrooms wired the same as other rooms. i know, it sounds like a dumb question, but i heard bathrooms are grounded. and that is why they are on their own circuit. true?

I've never seen a dual 1000w and Lumatek is the only dual 600w that I know off. That Lumatek has to be wired 240v so that's why it only draws 5.5 amps. A single 600w Lumatek draws 2.75 amps if it is wired 240v so you aren't saving any electricity by using them.

Bathrooms are usually wired the same as the rest of the house; with a sigle circuit (breaker) for that room. Usually 15-30 amps depending on your house. Kitchens are really the only rooms that normally have multiple circuits because of the high draw of appliances. Most homes have GFCI outlets in the kitchens and bathrooms because it is code in the U.S. and it is safe to have these outlets in areas where there is water or the possibility of water being spilled on the outlets.

 

[phillipchristian]

I wanted to throw these back up here. I am not sure who I did some of them for.

 

[Diesel89]

Hey Philip I don't know if this is your line of work but I was wondering my options on a sealed tent setup for a 5x5 tent. I saw a post that is the style you run. Also what fans and hood would you say to use in that space. Any suggestions id appreciate

 

[phillipchristian]

Hey Philip I don't know if this is your line of work but I was wondering my options on a sealed tent setup for a 5x5 tent. I saw a post that is the style you run. Also what fans and hood would you say to use in that space. Any suggestions id appreciate

Hey Diesel. It's not my line of work. I am a real estate developer. I build high end spec homes and condo developments in Central America. I have been growing for 12 years and built quite a few crazy setups for myself and helped a bunch of friends with it too. I just figured I'd give something back to the RIU community instead of just always taking.

Are you looking to use the whole tent for plants or do you need a little space for other equipment (a/c, dehumidifier, filter, etc...)? The hood really depends on what lights you'll be using. If you are using the whole space then I would say get a 1000w and a Magnum XXXL hood with a Can High Output 8" fan. If you need room for other things in the tent then a 600w light with any of the good Sun Sytem 6" hoods would be fine. Same brand of fan though. I like Can Fans and I have never had a problem with any of them. Let me know and I can draw something up for you. Also, what style of grow (SOG, SCGROG,trees, etc...), what size pots, how wide are your plants, how many in the tent, etc... The more info the better.

Not sure what post you are referring to but I don't run tents anymore. It's been 5 years since I even owned a tent and even then it was for clones/veg. This has been my room for the last 4 years.

 

[hockey4848]

:I wish i had the funds to do this, but even if I did it would be legal in my state:

Have 72 plants total at all times (legal in my state).

18=clone tray
18= stage 1 veg under T5's
18= stage 2 veg under T5's
18= flowering under 12 XXXL hoods with 1,000 watt bulbs

Perpetual harvest every month.

How much square footage would this realistically take? Anyone ever build a room like this?

going with the scrog method.

 

[phillipchristian]

Those are some monster plants! 18 plants under 12,000w of light? You're growing 8' footers huh?

Those hoods cover a 25sq.ft. area so that's 300sq.ft. just in plants in the flower. Probably need another 100sq.ft for other equipment and to get around. The probably another 200sq.ft for vegging, clones, and moms. Say 650-700sq.ft to be safe. Just a guess though. Would have to know all the equipment you are using to be specific. You would probably need 3-4 4ton a/c units.

 

[hockey4848]

Those are some monster plants! 18 plants under 12,000w of light? You're growing 8' footers huh?

Those hoods cover a 25sq.ft. area so that's 300sq.ft. just in plants in the flower. Probably need another 100sq.ft for other equipment and to get around. The probably another 200sq.ft for vegging, clones, and moms. Say 650-700sq.ft to be safe. Just a guess though. Would have to know all the equipment you are using to be specific. You would probably need 3-4 4ton a/c units.

three 4 ton a/c units?? Am I reading that correctly??

Are t5's the way to go for vegging the fastest? I have an extra 3 xxxl hoods laying around with some spare MH's..would that work better?

Would having 18 plants flowering under 12,000w of light even be efficient? Could I get them big enough in a month of vegging for it to even be worth while? The biggest 12 harvests you can get a year with 72 plants in the goal here.

 

[phishtank]

....it would be pointless. The plants can only use so much light...and they will only flower for so long. If you vegged for a much longer period of time...then you could make use of those lights but would need to hang some bulbs vertical also to make it worth while. If you want 72 plants at all times....

12 clones veg stage 1 (seed or clone - 2 weeks)
12 clones veg stage 2 (2 weeks - 4 weeks)
48 plants in flower....so basically start 12 plants every 2 weeks...and by the time your first 12 come along you should be ready to bring 12 from veg to flower and have 12 clones rooting ready for veg. Nice perpetual 12 plants every 2 week harvest

(this is assuming that plants actually finish from start to end in 12 weeks.)

 

[phillipchristian]

three 4 ton a/c units?? Am I reading that correctly??

Are t5's the way to go for vegging the fastest? I have an extra 3 xxxl hoods laying around with some spare MH's..would that work better?

Would having 18 plants flowering under 12,000w of light even be efficient? Could I get them big enough in a month of vegging for it to even be worth while? The biggest 12 harvests you can get a year with 72 plants in the goal here.

To cool all those 1000w lights in your flower room plus all of the lights yuou would need for moms, clones, and vegging plants. It would be around that much a/c. Unless you live in the mountains somewhere.

If you are trying to veg larger plants the MH bulbs are the way to go. Especially if you are trying to cycle them every 2 weeks.

I think Phishtank has it right. I was just going off what you said. If you are looking to do a perpetual harvest then you'll need to push plants every 2-3 weeks depending on the strain. Probably grow smaller plants too.

 

[Diesel89]

Hey phillip about my 5x5 tent. I want to have space to put one small fan for user canopy and also a dehumidifer..I as well was thinking 1k in xxxl hood with between 4-7 plants growing under a screen going for multi tops sog... I'm mostly meaning towards a hydro set up maybe coco I'm not set yet. Also ballast outside and ill veg and do clones outside this tent

 

[Diesel89]

Also do you have any experience in which fans produce less noise? I just bought a house the tent will go in a sub room of my office in the basement and I just wanna make sure I'm not hearing this all going on in my living room upstairs Haha

 

[phillipchristian]

Hey Diesel, something like this should work. If you do hydro then keep your reservoir and any controller buckets out of the tent, under the table, or in the corner with the wall fan.

 

[phillipchristian]

Also do you have any experience in which fans produce less noise? I just bought a house the tent will go in a sub room of my office in the basement and I just wanna make sure I'm not hearing this all going on in my living room upstairs Haha

Can fans are pretty good. You will only need a 6" hood and fan for that 1 light. Look at the Can 6" High Output fan. You can also reduce the noise they make by getting insulated ducting. You won't need much ducting so dropping a few extra bucks on the insulated kind would be worth it. Plus hang the fan freely from the ceiling of the tent. Less vibration is less noise.

 

[Diesel89]

Thanks a lot good sir! Would you run this set up sealed with co2? Or maybe down the road?

 

[Diesel89]

Thanks a lot good sir! Would you run this set up sealed with co2? Or maybe down the road? Hope you received the rep+

 

[phillipchristian]

You won't need much Co2 in a space that size. If you don't like bottles look at the Hydro Innovations MiniGen. I have 1 in my clone room. They can be water cooled but don't need to be. Run on a propane tank and you can get it and the controller for it for around $400. Pretty simple to use. You can hang it from the ceiling of the tent; it weighs nothing. Then just suck air from outside through the lights and back outside. Not sure where the tent is going to be but if need be you can exhaust that hot air to a ceiling or out a window by just extending the ducting. If you are in a basement or a big room you won't even need to. The room will cool the exhaust air. Then get yourself a cheap 4" carbon filter/fan combo off ebay for like $50. Hang that in the corner of the room to scrub the air in the tent and exhaust it back into the tent. If you have heat issues then exhaust it out of the tent and open a port hole in the tent as a passive intake to bring in cold air from the basement.

 

[ThorWho]

Hey Phillip, could you please help me set up my basement garden? In my last thread that you helped me with I stated that I wanted to use grow tents, but now I'm thinking something more permanent. In the next few days I have an electrician coming to rewire my basement and give me a nice new breaker box. Very soon I'll be able to legally possess up to 48 plants, and I'd like to set up a garden that I can harvest a few plants every couple weeks. I will have to start with a small set-up and add more equipment as I can save money, but I would like to construct my space with the intent to use four 600w lights in my flowering area, using both MH and HPS, and have an area for vegging as well as clones and mothers. I found someone I trust that I think will help building walls and more wiring if I need it.

I want to use subcool's super soil, and grow large plants. I have a 10,000btu window air conditioner and a fairly old dehumidifier to work with and that's about it. If I need to use the air conditioner it will have to be replaced by winter because the windows are at ground level and... well... snow.

Here's the basic layout of my basement, I'm considering using the back 15 feet of it for growing and space to work but I would like your opinion on how big it should be. The ceiling is 6 1/2'.

 

[phillipchristian]

Hey bud, I'll get working on something right away. Just a few questions.

How tall are you growing your plants
What growing style do you use (SOG, SCROG, hydro, soil, flood tables, rdwc, etc...)
How will you vent your lights
How many moms do you have or need room for
What light will you use for moms. Clones. Veg.

 

[ThorWho]

I have no real world experience here so I'm just going with what I think I need from some research. 4' tall plants, grown in organic soil with some lst and love, watered by hand. Air cooled hoods. I think I want four moms under T5s with clones, and a 600w mh for vegging.