Ridgecrest "Cartels"

curious2garden

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Actually the effects of this type of thing are quite chilling.

Mounting a legal defense is beyond the financial ability of most normal working people. Even if a defense is successful most are beggared from the costs.

How did they get private medical records? It is one thing if they visited known Marijuana users as the article said. But they mention a doctors name and that all patients visited were his patients. If the police accessed a doctor's records I wonder what the basis of the search warrant was?

If I were visited like that I would ask to see the warrant before I produced anything. My understanding of the law is that a knock and identify yourself demand without warrant unless there is probable cause of imminent harm (burglary, home invasion, hot pursuit), is a violation of our Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

Then we have the entire knock notice thing. You can thank Justice Scalia for the gutting of the Knock Notice by ruling the exclusionary rule no longer applies! (ie they can violate the knock notice and the evidence will NOT be thrown out). My guess is there will be the same sort of assault on Miranda but I digress.
 

collective gardener

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I see this as a good thing. The desperation of law enforcement is becoming quite obvious. The ship has begun to turn, and they're trying everything to stop the inertia. The problem they have is that there really is no truth behind their case. So, they resort to these bizarre tactics....which always backfire on them. You cant blame them...it's their jobs at stake. Nationwide the majority of arrests are for drug related crimes, and the main "drug" is weed. If just little ol pot becomes totally legal and accepted, we should need 50% less police force. In these economic times a cop not needed is a cop without a job. I believe we'll see more and more "stupid cop tricks" as their jobs become more clearly threatened.

The next industry to be affected are the prison guards. California's prison system cost us 24 BILLION $$$ in 2010 and goes up every year. The majority of prisoners are for "drug related crimes". The prison guards see weed legalization as the slippery slope to drug legalization. If we stop imprisoning folks for victimless "crimes", the cost of our prisons will fall well under 10 billion. The prison guards do not want this. Where else can an uneducated half wit bully make over 100k/year?

I am hoping that these "stupid cop tricks" are the death rattle of the fight against weed. Please continue to share more Stupid Cop Tricks.
 

obijohn

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Haha so the cops decide what conditions medical mj can and can't be used for? Don't think so...
 

curious2garden

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Precisely CG! I agree that's a crucial issue. The USA has the highest prison population in the world, why? What other industries are left here? Then you add the secondary gain of all the prison labor. Then there's the prison privatization trend, as bad as the government is private companies would be much worse. It's atrocities were one reason prison's were taken out of the private sectors in the past. It seems we just can't learn from our history.

I agree stupid cop tricks are harmful. But I believe our best chance of success is education of the general public about fallacies surrounding the Marijuana propaganda along with alternative forms of Cannabis industry to replace the prison industry and a way to bridge the gap. We have to counter the fear mongering with facts.

The fact we will be removing all these 'blue collar' jobs puts all these workers and their dependents into fear. People don't react well to the loss of their livelihood. They will fight any change unless shown an alternate path. So actually addressing this head on is important for the Marijuana proponents, that's my thoughts anyway.
 

Dan Kone

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LOL @ “Gilley told me he was the guy who goes after the cartels. I informed him I was not a cartel.”

Seriously? I fucking hate cops....

With cops like this on the case it's not surprising cartels are taking in record profits.
 

Dan Kone

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How did they get private medical records? It is one thing if they visited known Marijuana users as the article said. But they mention a doctors name and that all patients visited were his patients. If the police accessed a doctor's records I wonder what the basis of the search warrant was?
That's what I was wondering. It seems highly unlikely that a judge would sign off on a search warrant that gave a cop ALL the records. I could see maybe there was a situation where they could get a warrant for one patient, but ALL the doctors records? No fucking way.

To me it sounds like a law was broken here by the officer and the doctor. These records are supposed to be confidential. I'd speculate that the cop caught this doctor doing something illegal and threatened him with "give me all your records and we won't lock you up". If that's the case, then the doctor broke the law by cooperating.

If a judge did sign off on a warrant like that, then NORML should be all over this.

Something isn't right...
 

Dan Kone

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If I were visited like that I would ask to see the warrant before I produced anything. My understanding of the law is that a knock and identify yourself demand without warrant unless there is probable cause of imminent harm (burglary, home invasion, hot pursuit), is a violation of our Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.
I believe all a cop has to do is say "I smell marijuana" and then he can invite himself in, so the second you answer the door, you've already possibly lost that battle.

The last time I had a cop show up to my house, I just pretended I wasn't home. He got mad, banged loudly for a long time, but eventually left. He knew we were home, but he couldn't do anything about it.
 

tehgenoc1de

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Yep, if you're already fucked, let them do the work. As soon as you open the door, and/or your mouth, besides telling him stuff like that video above, they can nail you on so many things it's asinine.

I wish more people knew their rights instead of openly relinquishing information to the police.
 

John Jacob

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That guy Cooper is awsome! but I'm sure he has a target on his back, the law is just waiting for him to mess up and finally silence him
 

curious2garden

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That's what I was wondering. It seems highly unlikely that a judge would sign off on a search warrant that gave a cop ALL the records. I could see maybe there was a situation where they could get a warrant for one patient, but ALL the doctors records? No fucking way.
When you ask, a judge, for a warrant you have to be extremely specific. You have to state what you are looking for and to some extent where and why you expect to find it. The why being all your supporting, objective, facts. Other public surveillance etc...... Warrants are not issued as fishing expeditions and they are limited in their scope. When served with a warrant it is VERY important to know it's complete scope and to make sure its an actual warrant. Cops to some extent are allowed to lie (or pretext as they refer to it).

To me it sounds like a law was broken here by the officer and the doctor. These records are supposed to be confidential. I'd speculate that the cop caught this doctor doing something illegal and threatened him with "give me all your records and we won't lock you up". If that's the case, then the doctor broke the law by cooperating.

If a judge did sign off on a warrant like that, then NORML should be all over this.

Something isn't right...
Precisely that is exactly my point. Someone needs to follow that and find out how they got those names from the doctor. Then again newspaper stories are usually very inaccurate. About the only thing less accurate are police reports, LOL.

I believe all a cop has to do is say "I smell marijuana" and then he can invite himself in, so the second you answer the door, you've already possibly lost that battle.

The last time I had a cop show up to my house, I just pretended I wasn't home. He got mad, banged loudly for a long time, but eventually left. He knew we were home, but he couldn't do anything about it.
That was why I went into the Knock Notice and loss of the Exclusionary rule. I would ONLY suggest opening a door to, "Police, search warrant, open up." That was why I was saying I would then ask to see the warrant. ALWAYS ask to SEE the warrant. Once police yell search warrant open up they are coming through that door whether you open it for them or not. Frankly I'd rather keep my door on it's hinges. So then I would open the door, walk out, close the door behind me and ask to see the search warrant. Good test to see if it's a real warrant, though, but I wouldn't recommend it.

No one with half a brain should have anything illegal looking, smelling, etc... within range of the curtainment of their house and that includes any doors, windows, fences, garages etc.... If you do you have much bigger issues.

Another problem is the articles reference to, "known Marijuana users." To me that smacked of people on probation and while you are out but still on probation you may not have all the same legal rights as a 'regular' citizen. It all depends on what the terms of your probation are.

Anyway I agree about not opening your doors to cops. But I go further. I do not open my door to anyone I do not know and people I know who show up without notice etc... I recommend we all develop a little more sensitivity surrounding our privacy, LOL.
 

curious2garden

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LOL @ “Gilley told me he was the guy who goes after the cartels. I informed him I was not a cartel.”

Seriously? I fucking hate cops....

With cops like this on the case it's not surprising cartels are taking in record profits.
LIKE damn no more like button and it wouldn't let me rep you again Dan :(

Yeah I am such a smart ass I could see myself wanting to say something like that. Problem is cops usually call that failing the attitude test and at that point they can be jerks back to you. I knew some cops and while there were jerks there were a lot of decent people too. But if someone comes at them with a visible chip just like anyone they don't respond well. So it's best in all police interactions to be kind, respectful, say very little, know your rights and SHUT UP.
 

RoninAmok

Active Member
Y'all might notice something about all this , that being the fact that it's in a ***Ridgecrest*** paper , take a gander at just exactly how far Ridgecrest is from Dunsmuir.

And what's happening in Siskiyou county is happening all over the North State , might want to take a close look at what has transpired in Butte and Mendocino counties.
 

sso

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cops have always made asses of themselves.

its their faces.



then again , anyone demanding respect because of their position, has always been an pathetic ass.


stiff ass.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
cops have always made asses of themselves.

its their faces.



then again , anyone demanding respect because of their position, has always been an pathetic ass.


stiff ass.
if you are too dumb for college, too poor for business, and too lazy to work your way up, then you become a cop.
 

collective gardener

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Every lawyer I've ever had has advised me to let them kick in the door. Make sure to leash dogs and hold them in your arms if possible. They have a history of shooting the dog right away. I met a dog who was shot by DEA and survived. He's a stress case. It's so sad. The cop said "shit...I thought I hit him in the head...oh well...he'll bleed out". It's because of this that we rarely bring dog to grow. Killing dogs is their way to terrorize without shooting people.
 
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