Why a "living" constitution is a bad idea...

desert dude

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The commerce clause, such an innocuous part of the constitution, has been expanded to give the federal government absolute power to regulate literally everything.

"Yet the administration is focusing on Scalia's opinion in Raich v. Gonzales, a 2005 case that upheld a federal law banning medical marijuana, even grown and consumed at home, as an appropriate regulation of interstate commerce.


"Congress may regulate even noneconomic local activity if that regulation is a necessary part of a more general economic regulation of interstate commerce," Scalia said in a separate opinion. "

http://news.yahoo.com/4-republican-justices-control-fate-115552271.html

"[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;"
 

sync0s

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A living Constitution is a bad idea only if the Supreme Court interprets it in that manner, primarily because it turns into a political fiasco where panel judges are digging through the Constitution just to find minimal justification for their cause.

Congress should always be second guessing the Constitution, and we should make necessary adjustments the way they were supposed to be made: via amendments.
 

NLXSK1

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The lawyers for Obamacare are going to argue that not only is it legal through the commerce clause but also the necessary good clause.

Once they get done the constitution is going to be dead, not living.
 

sync0s

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The lawyers for Obamacare are going to argue that not only is it legal through the commerce clause but also the necessary good clause.

Once they get done the constitution is going to be dead, not living.
The Constitution delegates the power to the Congress, not the President or his lawyer. The problem lies in Congress, not Obama.

Under the idea that absolute power corrupts absolutely, we can always expect that the President (no matter who he is) will always seek more power at just about any expense. It is the Congress' job to uphold the Constitution and provide the checks and balances that are necessary to defend the document and maintain the power in the hands of the people.
 

Carne Seca

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A living Constitution is a bad idea only if the Supreme Court interprets it in that manner, primarily because it turns into a political fiasco where panel judges are digging through the Constitution just to find minimal justification for their cause.

Congress should always be second guessing the Constitution, and we should make necessary adjustments the way they were supposed to be made: via amendments.
major like ^^^
 

Carne Seca

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The lawyers for Obamacare are going to argue that not only is it legal through the commerce clause but also the necessary good clause.

Once they get done the constitution is going to be dead, not living.
Your obamahate is getting a bit tiresome.
 

NLXSK1

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  • It is the Congress' job to uphold the Constitution and provide the checks and balances that are necessary to defend the document and maintain the power in the hands of the people.​



What is their approval rating again?
 

londonfog

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Here is a good read about the Constitution as a living document..and for the record if the Constitution was not considered a "living document" we could never make changes to it via Amendments...but heres the read



How could a 208 year-old document, written for a small agricultural nation of thirteen states endure through the tests of time to apply to today's immense, modern highly industrialized society? This is because of the flexibility with which the Constitution was imbued. The framers knew that they could not possibly plan for every circumstance or situation. As such, they provided various methods by which the Constitution and its laws could be modified as society grew and changed. That is why the United States Constitution is known as a "living constitution," one which can adapt and be flexible as necessary. There are three ways in which the Constitution is a "living" document: the formal amendment process; the informal amendment process; and custom, usage, and tradition. The formal amendment process is how amendments are added to the Constitution. Article V details the two methods to propose an amendment and the two methods to ratify an amendment. This part of the living constitution has been a useful tool by which Congress may enact an amendment. It keeps them honest in that the states must approve of any amendments by a three-fourths vote. Though this is one way in which the Constitution is constantly growing, it has not played a major part in helping to keep the Constitution current.

Informal amendments include all of the following: basic legislation passed by Congress, executive agreements, and court decisions. Congress has the power to pass whatever legislation it can within its restraints. This includes any and all acts such as the Judiciary Act of 1789 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The President can use executive agreements in dealing with foreign affairs and powers. An executive agreement is a contract made by the President with the head of a foreign state. They are not subject to Congress' approval. Throughout the nation's history, court decisions have had a great influence over the emergence of new laws, practices, or interpretations. They have changed the course of key issues and have existed as an important check on the legislative branch by the judicial branch. Informal amendments have played decisive roles in the evolution of the government, even directing which path shall be followed into the awaiting future.
The terms custom, usage, and tradition refer to the ways in which the various parts of the government react to new circumstances. The past customs of previous administrations have limited today's administrations. For example, delivering the State of the Union Address every year at approximately the same time as a televised event is derived from custom. Article II, Section 3 merely states that: "he shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union." Nowhere is it mentioned that he must do this at a certain time and in front of lots of cameras. This is a custom. Usage of certain pieces of legislation has also changed the Constitution. For example, the War Powers Resolution of 1973 has never truly been enforced. Parts of it have been used before but no President has ever been strictly held to the resolutions provisions. Tradition is another tool for expanding the Constitution. For example, there is the one involving the relationship between the President and the Senate. When George Washington became President, at first, he asked the Senate for advice in the preparation of some treaties. The Senate basically laughed in his face and no President has ever since asked the Senate for advice with regards to treaties.
 

Canna Sylvan

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We do. His name is O'Bama.
Damn, what do you know. According to behindthename.com

GENDER: Masculine
USAGE: Irish
PRONOUNCED: Oh Bah Mah [key]
Meaning & History
Means "keeper of sheep", derived from the Irish elements "bah" and the lesser "mah," which are the sheep's calls.
 

tomahawk2406

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A living Constitution is a bad idea only if the Supreme Court interprets it in that manner, primarily because it turns into a political fiasco where panel judges are digging through the Constitution just to find minimal justification for their cause.

Congress should always be second guessing the Constitution, and we should make necessary adjustments the way they were supposed to be made: via amendments.

...........i clapped out loud
 
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