Judges to decide: Can religious confessions be used against you?

[RainbowBrite86]

Oh ok no wait wait...I got it. I got it.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Who care's you won't be "Saved",,,By spilling your gut's to a stranger,,,STFU,,,Is the law,,,That will save your soul,,,Why am I here???

 

[guy incognito]

In most states if a patient informs a doctor that they are planning to hurt themselves or someone else --the shrink must report. To be honest though I'm not sure if a shrink is obligated legally to divulge if it is a confession after the fact. --must google

That's what I said.

Next time you go to the hospital they will give you a brochure regarding patients rights and responsibilities and it will go over HIPPA (Oh God i'm so high I hope I got that acronym right lol) If you tell me you molested your child 5 years ago and no one knew about it, I have to report it. BEEECCCAAAAUUUSSE statutes of limitations don't begin until it's reported.

You aren't my psychologist or psychiatrist.

 

[CinnamonGirl]

but, you know, @incognito, I think the larger issue is the fact that the law anymore is just chaos. There is no consistency. One state does this another that and the Feds do something completely different--everything is basically subjective--what a person should or shouldn't do seems inconsequential.

 

[guy incognito]

Dude who tells the doctor about past crimes? Really?

People in therapy. Really you had to ask that?

 

[RainbowBrite86]

Psychology isn't a science. So yes I did.

 

[guy incognito]

but, you know, @incognito, I think the larger issue is the fact that the law anymore is just chaos. There is no consistency. One state does this another that and the Feds do something completely different--everything is basically subjective--what a person should or shouldn't do seems inconsequential.

Parts of it are subjective with gray areas, but other parts are not. If I tell me therapist that I stole shit from kmart a few years ago he CANNOT go tell the police on me. He will lose his medical license for that.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

Doctor I-got-straight-C's-and-couldn't-get-into-a-real-medical-school will be filling out your prescription today.

 

[guy incognito]

Psychology isn't a science. So yes I did.

No one said psychology was a science. The only thing in question was whether confidentially of crimes discussed with a psychologist is protected, and they are unless it puts you or someone else in danger.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

Parts of it are subjective with gray areas, but other parts are not. If I tell me therapist that I stole shit from kmart a few years ago he CANNOT go tell the police on me. He will lose his medical license for that.

But if you tell him you raped or murdered someone he has to. You think they won't rip a license for it? Let it come up in the paper a 9 year old was raped, murdered, and stuffed in a trunk and the guy who did it told the doctor who treated him for a cut he sustained during the struggle. It's a past crime. And they will crucify the doctor who doesn't report it.

 

[guy incognito]

Doctor I-got-straight-C's-and-couldn't-get-into-a-real-medical-school will be filling out your prescription today.

As long as that degree is still recognized he/she is still bound by the laws of that profession.

 

[GrnMn]

Holy shite! This will really change the game. Who decides what is and is not a confession?

Link for the whole story
http://www.freep.com/article/20120208/NEWS06/202080394/Judges-to-decide-Can-religious-confessions-be-used-against-you-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE


Michigan Court of Appeals judges will hear arguments Thursday on a case that could have serious repercussions for church members: Can what you confess to your pastor be used against you in a court of law?


A three-judge panel of the court is being asked to decide whether a Baptist pastor in Belleville violated Michigan's priest-penitent privilege by testifying against a church member in a rape case.


"This is a very dangerous case because it could have very serious repercussions for religion," the rape suspect's lawyer, Raymond Cassar of Farmington Hills, said Tuesday. "If a pastor is allowed to testify against a member of his church about privileged communications, no one will want to confess their sins to their pastors anymore."


Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Teri Odette argued in court documents that the privilege doesn't apply in this case

As far as I know, the only safeties are Catholic confessions, Doctor/patient confidentiality, and the law that a spouse cannot be forced to testify against their spouse.

 

[GrnMn]

As long as that degree is still recognized he/she is still bound by the laws of that profession.

You know what they call someone who graduates at the bottom of the class in med school?

DOCTOR!

 

[guy incognito]

But if you tell him you raped or murdered someone he has to. You think they won't rip a license for it? Let it come up in the paper a 9 year old was raped, murdered, and stuffed in a trunk and the guy who did it told the doctor who treated him for a cut he sustained during the struggle. It's a past crime. And they will crucify the doctor who doesn't report it.

Because that crime has NOTHING to do with treating your injury and doctor-patient confidentiality never existed for that. That is an entirely different situation than confession the same thing to a psychologist for mental treatment.

If you go in with a gunshot the doctor is required to report that to the police.

If you speak to your psychologist and tell him you were involved in some shit in the past, and you got shot, and maybe you shot someone, and never got busted, but the reason you are there is to recieve his help specifically for that reason, then he CANNOT go tattle to the police that you were involved in a gun fight at some point in the past.

Different situations.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

You know what they call people who use really really old jokes?

Nothing nice.

Quit it.

 

[CinnamonGirl]

Parts of it are subjective with gray areas, but other parts are not. If I tell me therapist that I stole shit from kmart a few years ago he CANNOT go tell the police on me. He will lose his medical license for that.

but the fact remains that a therapist can tell-- yes they might lose their licence--but as a fallible human being a therapist might just break the rules-- then what? This is my beef with this whole ridiculous case we are discussing. the minutia of the law is obscuring the actual crime-- a nine-year-old girl was raped. Rapist is not being charged. The pastor is. How is justice being served?

 

[RainbowBrite86]

Ok. You know what. Go show me.

 

[RainbowBrite86]

but the fact remains that a therapist can tell-- yes they might lose their licence--but as a fallible human being a therapist might just break the rules-- then what? This is my beef with this whole ridiculous case we are discussing. the minutia of the law is obscuring the actual crime-- a nine-year-old girl was raped. Rapist is not being charged. The pastor is. How is justice being served?

Agreed. Twice. Because agreed is only 6 characters.

 

[GrnMn]

You know what they call people who use really really old jokes?

Nothing nice.

Quit it.

i refuse. take me to court...

 

[RainbowBrite86]

I wouldn't take you to McDonald's until you get yourself an updated joke book, sir.