Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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Matt Rize
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heh... or something like that. work hard, dab harder.
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Dank Raptor
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full melt you can dab. doesnt get much better then that. Nice gauntlet.
Ku$hking3883
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link to his thread please?
Matt Rize
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use the search function. its here somewhere.
If you are growing organics of any kind you shouldn't need that stuff. If you are using the rest of the fox farms nutes you'll need it though, theres really no reason for anything more than plain water, no flushing or drowning necessary. However if you are using synthetic nutes it works pretty good, I've used it in the past.
Iam using there organic line on some plants and was going to get the ffof and happy frog and do a mix for those plants. I wasn't sure if there was an alternative to the sledge hammer it says the main ingrediant is yucca extract which I have butbim sure there's other stuff in there to. Did you supplement anything with the ff nute line? Thank you for your response !!
What products are you using? I'm not 100% sure this belongs here but whatever....
If you are using the tiger bloom and grow big or whatever it is, not organic, 100% synthetic as well as the cha ching, open sesame, and beastie blooms. The bagged stuff is ok, I'm not really sure about most of it as I have not used anything other than their soil which I still use, and the synthetic line. I used all of the bush master products, microbe brew, kanga-roots and the sledge hammer. I cant say I'd ever buy any of it ever again, but I have used it before and it served its purpose.
As far as the soil, I use ocean forest and happy frog potting soil bag for bag, 6 cups of EWC's per bag of soil as well as 6 cups of ancient forest alaskan humus per bag of soil (anyone else have any input on my amounts please post). I add @ 1 tbs per gal of soil (this is a new mix, and I just put some plants in it so.....) of cotton seed meal, alfalfa meal, soft rock phosphate, garden lime, then I add 1 tsp of neem cake per gal of soil, 1/4 tsp per gal of soil TM7 from bioag. Aside from that I added about 10% perlite, maybe a little more and I used vam-endo mix also from bioag.com at transplant. All of those meal products are either espoma or Dr. earth, all cheap stuff like $6 for a 3lb box and is what I make my act teas with as well. Which I was alternating with my GO line of nutes but I've started to mix them right before I pour it in. I mix up my GO nutes seperately as normal, except I add enough GO to make up the amount of tea I mix in. This is only with my current batch of plants in 12/12 though, I had no perlite when I mixed that batch of soil so those can go 5-6 days without a watering (too much IMO) so I cant really alternate between nutes and teas all while keeping them happy, with my current batch of vegging plants that I added the 10% of perlite to, I should able to add my teas separately and plan to do so.
Next time I'll probably add some green sand, thats the only thing I can think of that I know I missed for sure but I have to do a run or 2 or 6 to see what else is missing, I'm sure its missing something. But so far the plants seem to be liking it.
On top of that I've been using the general organics nutrient line with a bunch of other bullshit bottles that I've been slowly cutting out of the picture by using teas, the only thing I plan to keep using is the protekt @ 1ml per gal and hygrozyme, I'd like to eliminate all the other stuff but thats not gonna be for awhile. At the moment I'm using the bio marine, bloom, and ca/mg for bloom. In veg I'm using the bio weed and root, bio thrive grow, bio marine.
Its still too much, my goal is to cut out the bottled shit the best I can.
If you are using the tiger bloom and grow big or whatever it is, not organic, 100% synthetic as well as the cha ching, open sesame, and beastie blooms. The bagged stuff is ok, I'm not really sure about most of it as I have not used anything other than their soil which I still use, and the synthetic line. I used all of the bush master products, microbe brew, kanga-roots and the sledge hammer. I cant say I'd ever buy any of it ever again, but I have used it before and it served its purpose.
As far as the soil, I use ocean forest and happy frog potting soil bag for bag, 6 cups of EWC's per bag of soil as well as 6 cups of ancient forest alaskan humus per bag of soil (anyone else have any input on my amounts please post). I add @ 1 tbs per gal of soil (this is a new mix, and I just put some plants in it so.....) of cotton seed meal, alfalfa meal, soft rock phosphate, garden lime, then I add 1 tsp of neem cake per gal of soil, 1/4 tsp per gal of soil TM7 from bioag. Aside from that I added about 10% perlite, maybe a little more and I used vam-endo mix also from bioag.com at transplant. All of those meal products are either espoma or Dr. earth, all cheap stuff like $6 for a 3lb box and is what I make my act teas with as well. Which I was alternating with my GO line of nutes but I've started to mix them right before I pour it in. I mix up my GO nutes seperately as normal, except I add enough GO to make up the amount of tea I mix in. This is only with my current batch of plants in 12/12 though, I had no perlite when I mixed that batch of soil so those can go 5-6 days without a watering (too much IMO) so I cant really alternate between nutes and teas all while keeping them happy, with my current batch of vegging plants that I added the 10% of perlite to, I should able to add my teas separately and plan to do so.
Next time I'll probably add some green sand, thats the only thing I can think of that I know I missed for sure but I have to do a run or 2 or 6 to see what else is missing, I'm sure its missing something. But so far the plants seem to be liking it.
On top of that I've been using the general organics nutrient line with a bunch of other bullshit bottles that I've been slowly cutting out of the picture by using teas, the only thing I plan to keep using is the protekt @ 1ml per gal and hygrozyme, I'd like to eliminate all the other stuff but thats not gonna be for awhile. At the moment I'm using the bio marine, bloom, and ca/mg for bloom. In veg I'm using the bio weed and root, bio thrive grow, bio marine.
Its still too much, my goal is to cut out the bottled shit the best I can.
Wolverine97
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Thanks, saved me some typing.
Im using the full line of organic ff nutes ill add the sledge hammer to it thanks for your input!
Just so I understand, which line or products are you using? As well as if this conversation is going to beyond your reply PM me or lets start a new thread, this is the veganics thread and has been polluted enough. Not sure why were are talking about flushing agents, they really have no place in vegan growing or organic growing at all (not that I'm not willing to answer you, more than happy to discuss it)
If its the full organic line you do NOT need sledge hammer. I just dont want you to waste your time or take anything away from your plants that shouldnt be taken away, flushing agents basically sterilize your soil (not really, but its not going to discriminate weather it be salt build up or nicely working organic soil food web, its going to strip bad as well as good things out of your soil), not exactly what organics is all about.
poisonedpeople
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I largely agree with the above opinions. We've been hijacked in terms of animal products which should be extremely beneficial on all levels in terms of their contribution to our ecosphere. Today, however, there is so much chaos being engineered through our suffocation by toxic chemicals that what should be appropriate (and natural, and sustainable) is becoming not so.
Synthesized chemical compounds are toxic and are bringing about the complete destabilization of an entire blue planet.
See: http://poisonedpeople.com & http://poisoningandlegalaction.com.au.
Synthesized chemical compounds are toxic and are bringing about the complete destabilization of an entire blue planet.
See: http://poisonedpeople.com & http://poisoningandlegalaction.com.au.
poisonedpeople
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Flushing agents sound really bad for the soil and your crops. Roundup (the world's most popular herbicide) is something of a flushing agent because it has chelating properties. It destroys the natural soil properties by flushing out minerals and nutrients, as well as imposing toxic metabolite residues that arise out of the glyphosate itself.
I also would like to steer clear of any aggressive approach to treating soil, ESPECIALLY any use of any chemical agents.
See: http://poisonedpeople.com & http://poisoningandlegalaction.com.au.
I also would like to steer clear of any aggressive approach to treating soil, ESPECIALLY any use of any chemical agents.
See: http://poisonedpeople.com & http://poisoningandlegalaction.com.au.
Dank Raptor
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I understand your concern but most flushing agents like clearex or royal flush are sucrose and glucose which is basically sugar. I no longer use any flushing agents I just dissolve Turbinado sugar into pure water for the last 10-14 days. Works great and I recommend it to anyone.
Some say that plants can't absorb sugar but is only created by the plant in the Krebs cycle. I agree with that but am also a firm believer that sugar does more then just feed your microherd. Marijuana is a strong plant that can absorb all types of stuff including heavy metals and radiation. Also take into account the plant has evolved over time, often fed molasses and other sugary products by its grower. (like me)
Some say that plants can't absorb sugar but is only created by the plant in the Krebs cycle. I agree with that but am also a firm believer that sugar does more then just feed your microherd. Marijuana is a strong plant that can absorb all types of stuff including heavy metals and radiation. Also take into account the plant has evolved over time, often fed molasses and other sugary products by its grower. (like me)
Im using the full line of ff nutes like grow big, tiger bloom, open sesame, big bud, cha ching, beastie bloom etc.. so maybe the sledge is nessacary cause i dont see the omri rating
thanks for the tip maybe ill just do this instead
Matt Rize
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no worries. this is the place to find the right answers.