My Plant Looks Sad can anybody help me out

[CaptainCarnival]

day one problem
Day two

Does anyone have any advice on how to go about solving this problem? the leaves are drooping and this large fan leaf is going downhill fast. if more pictures are needed to help im more than willing to get them.

 

[maps84]

Seems like time to reach the calmag+ bottle. But we need more info so please make sure you be as specific as possible with ALL aspects of your grow Soil, water, water schedule, nute, lighting, PH levels, humidity,...

 

[CaptainCarnival]

soil is fox farm ocean forest mixed 50/50 with roots organic, the water is purified spring water with a 6.5pH, last water was friday, the nutes are cutting edge solutions bloom/grow/micro, lighting is a T8 4ft x 6bulb 4 inches above and a 43w CFL about 4 inches away,pH is between 6.5 and 6.8, humidity in room not sure but i have two water dishes under the light to keep it up

 

[Sunbiz1]

soil is fox farm ocean forest mixed 50/50 with roots organic, the water is purified spring water with a 6.5pH, last water was friday, the nutes are cutting edge solutions bloom/grow/micro, lighting is a T8 4ft x 6bulb 4 inches above and a 43w CFL about 4 inches away,pH is between 6.5 and 6.8, humidity in room not sure but i have two water dishes under the light to keep it up

The last pic indicates either cal deficiency or over feeding. With this arsenal, I'll gingerly guess the latter.

 

[Humbleservantoftheplant]

Hey, Captain Carnival, I've used that soil mix before, and it tends to run a little hot. The Ocean Forest in particular is quite hot. This plant looks pretty small, which means you can actually just give it water for now. Ocean Forest and Roots both come loaded with mychorrizae, as well as a nice dose of NPK already mixed into the soil. People have even flowered plants right in the roots bags, with nothing but water. There's enough nutrients in there. My guess, based on my experience with this mix (which provided almost identical results to yours) is that the soil is just too hot. I'm going to agree with Sunbiz here. It's likely an overfeeding issue.

Since that soil blend is already nice and rich, just give your plants Ph adjusted or distilled water for a couple days. If she gets any yellower, try some cal mag. If it's just lower leaves the continue to yellow like this, go ahead and pop them off. Let the new growth eat the nitrogen up!!

For future reference, I've found that a mixture of Roots and Ocean Forest works best in a 3:1 Roots to OF ratio. Also, that soil blend will let you go with just plain water, for about a month, and your plants will not yellow, stress out, or fry. Happy growing to you.

 

[CaptainCarnival]

nutes are micro 2.5ml/gal bloom 2.5ml/gal and grow5ml/gal

 

[CaptainCarnival]

Ive given her nutes about three times ever. but so your advice is to just water for a little and then she'll get happier cause she looks really sad

Oh and it doesnt matter in anyway but she listens to Pink Floyd almost 24hours a day

 

[Humbleservantoftheplant]

Yeah, I'd say just water her for a minute. How long has she been in that soil? If it's been less than a month, keep going straight water!

I looked at those pics you just added, and I see what to me looks like some nutrient burn at the tips. That necrosis is usually caused by a nutrient excess rather than a deficiency, IMHO. She looks a little droopy in those pictures as well. How long has it been since you watered her?

I of course do not mean to come across as pushy in any way, just trying to help!

If you've tried these suggestions before, and nothing is working, and you're like, "AH, SHIT, I'M KILLING THIS BEAUTIFUL PLANT", just stop, smoke a bowl, and repot her in some new soil!

The Floyd is an awesome choice, btw. My ladies are partial to Cold War Kids at the moment...

 

[CaptainCarnival]

its been less than a month in that pot and i watered her friday and a nutrient excess would be possible cause it was the first time i tried to bump her nutes up to close to full dosage from half dosage

not being pushy shit im the one who asked for the help so help away if you got the answers i got the plant to try them out on
shit if people gave me more smart ass comments thatd be better than nothing

yeah she listens to floyd all the time other than that its mainly grateful dead and Mannheim steamroller

 

[maps84]

Judging by the look of the leaves, it leads me to think humidity is the culprit. As a plant transpires, the vapors surrounding the leaves will become saturated with water vapor. The entire plant transpiration cycle is controlled by evaporation. When the humidity reaches 100%, there is no place for the next molecule of water vapor to evaporate to. The end result is that water vapor is not evaporating, so water is not being drawn up from the root zone...and neither are any nutrients thus the plant are not getting the food they need to be and LOOK healthy. This is exactly why high humidity will cause blossom end rot in late flowering and Calcium deficiencies.

Get an Hygrometer as soon as possible and measure your relative humidity, it should be in the 50% (+/-10) It is very important to use oscillating fans in the grow area to keep the air circulating.

 

[Humbleservantoftheplant]

I made the same mistake once! That's how I found out about that soil mix! Now, I don't play around with even adding nutrients now until the plant is in flower.

I basically make a soil mix of Roots, Ocean Forest, and some extra worm castings and layer the soil in a bucket so that the hottest layer is at the bottom. The roots then work their way down into the hotter soil, getting nothing but water for about a month. After a month, I add a little extra top layer of worm castings as a soil dressing, maybe a cup or two on the surface of the pot. This provides enough nitrogen to get the plant through the second month of veg without burning any leaves.

I keep on watering pure water until I flip to 12/12. From there I start blasting her with nutrients, starting off a half strength for the first week, then 3/4 strength in the second, and full nutes for weeks 3-7. My plants usually finish up at about 5 feet tall with 8-10 tops on them using this method. They're not starved by any stretch of the imagination, and I never burn them anymore...

 

[Humbleservantoftheplant]

Also, I've found that "feeding" your plant organic nutrients like worm castings, worm teas, or guano teas is a much more "chill" method of delivering nutes to them. Mixing up a batch of Advanced is so tempting with all of their lovely colorful labels, but make no mistake about it, they're full of salts. Those salts, I've found, are easier to burn plants with. I'm not knocking them at all, because they produce great yields. I've just burned more leaves with them, personally, than I ever have with worm castings, guano, etc.

 

[CaptainCarnival]

yeah well thanks a whole bunch it just sucks how i had to learn about it

ive been worried the whole time with this plant its growing slow as fuck and ive been worried constantly about nute burn because as you stated the soil does run really hot. when i transplant her to a bigger pot what order do you advise i put the soil in the pot cause ive always just mixed it all in one bucket and dumped it in the pot so that its all evenly mixed. would you advise putting roots organic or FF for the bottom layer

 

[Humbleservantoftheplant]

Hey, great questions, Carnival! Don't worry about screwing up. I didn't even post on here for my first couple years of growing because my crops weren't up to snuff. Growing takes a lot of time, a lot of patience, a lot of screwing up. And everybody worries SO much in the beginning about their plants. After you get things dialed in, you kinda look back and laugh, and realize that it's a plant, and it'll grow in a ditch filled with gravel, street run off, and antifreeze. Haha. She's sensitive, and you have to take care of her, but really the plants never need as much babying as we think they do. Usually they just need some water, a little nap, maybe some B vitamins, and a couple of days to recover!

Anyway, sorry it took me a minute to get back to you, I just uploaded my current grow journal! Check it out if you get a chance!

So as far as mixing the soil goes, I like to layer my soil so that the roots work their way into the hotter soil. So, I start off by putting a layer of straight Ocean Forest down, about 1/5 of the way up the pot. Then, on top of this I put about another 1/5 of Roots Organic, and then a cup and a half of worm castings. This is your "hot layer", and it makes up 2/5 of your total. Mix this all together.

The next layer will be your "transition layer" where the plants will work their way down into hotter, but not yet totally hot soil. This layer consists of mostly Roots, with a little Ocean Forest mixed in. Throw another half cup of worm castings into this layer, and blend just this top few inches, taking care not to disturb the bottom.

The final layer is where you transplant your baby plants. This is the last 6 inches or so of soil on top, that you can push aside and set your babies into. Remember, this soil now has a ton of nitrogen-rich worm castings in it, so all you have to do is give it water. The plant will grow really big in this soil, and if you mix it up in like a 15 gallon pot, you won't have to worry about adding anything but water until it flowers. That's like 2 months without mixing nutes. 2 months without guessing, or stressing, or going, "Why is my plant turning colors!?" You just sit back, give it ph adjusted water, and worry about giving it nutrients when you're trying to grow fat buds!!

 

[CaptainCarnival]

right on well when i transplant her to a bigger pot i will definitely need to mix it this way

 

[Sunbiz1]

Also, I've found that "feeding" your plant organic nutrients like worm castings, worm teas, or guano teas is a much more "chill" method of delivering nutes to them. Mixing up a batch of Advanced is so tempting with all of their lovely colorful labels, but make no mistake about it, they're full of salts. Those salts, I've found, are easier to burn plants with. I'm not knocking them at all, because they produce great yields. I've just burned more leaves with them, personally, than I ever have with worm castings, guano.

I probably have 3 counties worth of potential worm casting customers pissed-off at me right now. I called every garden center, and bought them out this morning...stuff is tough to find here in Winter. Castings and molasses are my favorite tea.