Compost Teas - Superpower your microherd.

RawBudzski

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Ok so I just got all the materials I will need to begin my little project & found I have enough materials to make a small batch of subcools super soil which I have mixed up :D
these are some of the materials I just got from a grow/hydro store :: Alfalfa meal, Fish Bone Meal, Blood Meal, Bat Guano, Blackstrap molasses, phosphorous pellets, kelp meal, ffof, Myco's, & 100% worm castings..

I started my compost pile outback, but that shouldnt be ready for several months.

I am going to try the subcool method in a month when the soil mix is rdy, I am going to try the Tea's for my plants in plain ffof, & finally a few months from now I will be test brewing my own home made compost. Time for me to take notes !
 

RawBudzski

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One thing, I was unable to obtain rock dust, or azomite from this store..so I am missing that. Not sure if it is going to hold my soil mix back that much, but we shall see.
 

ottawaliquid

Active Member
Ok so I just got all the materials I will need to begin my little project & found I have enough materials to make a small batch of subcools super soil which I have mixed up :D
these are some of the materials I just got from a grow/hydro store :: Alfalfa meal, Fish Bone Meal, Blood Meal, Bat Guano, Blackstrap molasses, phosphorous pellets, kelp meal, ffof, Myco's, & 100% worm castings..

I started my compost pile outback, but that shouldnt be ready for several months.

I am going to try the subcool method in a month when the soil mix is rdy, I am going to try the Tea's for my plants in plain ffof, & finally a few months from now I will be test brewing my own home made compost. Time for me to take notes !
have you got a journal going? I checked out your signature link and seems you're not using it.. I'd like to follow if you do have a journal.

Cheers
 

scroglodyte

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i begin my teas with a solution of my urine and water............my herd goes bonkers......tons of biofoam in my tea
 

RawBudzski

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I use the link in my sig, I have just been AFK a while.. Comp wont let me upload pix so I have been screwed & unmotivated to post.
All my local dispensaries are being closed down so I am keeping it cool for a while on all the good details.
 

cannatricks

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I did say you could use things from around the house, but really? I have no doubt that it works, but there are 1000 different things you could put in your tea, and you choose Piss, lol you guys crack me up. Better to go grab some grass from the yard and throw it in, it's doing the same thing, (and the grass is probably fostering fungi!)

Maybe I'm just funny, Urine is Sterile (no bacterias or fungi) it only contains nitrogen, instantly usable nitrogen. It is great for compost piles, and probably great for your tea, but I use my tea about 72 hours after I brew it, and really I don't want to stick my hand in a mixture of piss and shit (i do use guano so WTH?)

I piss on my compost heap, I couldn't stand the smell penetrating my grow.
 

whitey78

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Cannatricks would likely be better to answer this as I have zero experience, but I'll give my opinion anyway...

I would think that you'd be able to add your Black Diamond (Humic acids), BioMarine (cold processed squid) and Bioweed along with some the kelp, Oats, Hay, Straw (anything brown and harder to break down) This would encourage a fungal-dominant (or at least more balanced) tea

The bone meal could also work, however the myco would likely be eaten by all the other microbes as you were bubbling as Endomycorrhizae requires roots to survive and propagate.

Thanks guys, I actually stopped using the bio marine squid product after one use. I was brewing a worm casting tea and I figured why not throw in some of the GO products, I tossed some of the bio weed, bio root and grow and everything remained foaming and bubbling like it should, the last thing I put in was the bio marine and all the foaming action instantly stopped. I dont know if whatever microlife doesnt agree or I shouldnt have put that together in that order, or whatever.... but it was enough for me to not use it and suspect it to have chelated (spelling) nutes in it and not be 100% organic. Whatever, I had to be a smart shopper and buy a gallon for like $50 or something and use it literally once and decide its not for me. So whatever for the bio marine, maybe I'll try it again on something else in the future to use it up. But I do use the go products together with my worm teas, this is all still brand new to me, I've applied them 3-4 times so far, so I'm just literally starting to get how it all works, I can regurgitate the info but actually using it and understanding it completely are different, but I'm getting there.

What I started doing though, and I wish I thought of this sooner was to mix up a batch of GO nutes and a worm tea in separate 5 gallon buckets, and let that breed its own life for 24 hours, then mix the 2 50/50 trying to bring the PPM around 750 or so. Thats just what it ends up being and I check as a reference, my favorite thing about organics is no need to use meters anymore if I dont want to, I use my meter to verify water temp (68ish is what I shoot for) more than ppm. But so far just the recommended dose of general organics and the worm teas have gotten my girls going with no real signs of deficiency yet other than the minor stuff in the beginning while they were rooting as clones.

That feed store had a few things, soybean meal, kelp meal, and a few others, I'll see what else when I go over there. Let me just understand this, these products arent necessarily for gardening but for animal feed? Is that correct or am I not understanding that? I'm a city guy, I've been on camping trips but usually I'm not heading to far into the woods as they arent very close...I probably should....but I dont find myself near a feed store to often, nor do I have any clue how people actual "farm" or feed the animals on their farms or what they feed them with. One of those never had the need to know kinda things.


Thanks canna for the dark side comment, I appreciate it, it really is a fight to be able to do this. Someone has to do it though, right? As well as I'm not a true commercial type of grower though, I grow strains for their med properties, at least I try to pick them that way. The people that get my herb are sick, I have a couple people with fibro, one being my mother who has it worse than anyone I've seen before, another with hep C, but theres the others that have their insomnias and stuff like that, more importantly we have me and my severe mental anguish (j/k) that makes me smoke index finger sized joints twice a day, LOL.. Na but my people are sick though, thats not funny but thats the other reason I NEEDED to get my shit organic, they dont need anything else hurting them and neither do I, so I definitely take it more serious than I did. The dude with hep c has some serious lung problems as well but he tries to shake it off, but he can definitely use some smoke thats smoother and less harsh than the stuff I grew last grow, grown with botanicare, not entirely chem but not organic either.

So I'm just trying to get my weed correct for them and me, I appreciate the info you guys posted. When you really dont know any better you look at organic growing like its written in another language but in reality its easier once you understand, and cheaper isnt the word for it, its literally like penny's to the dollar. I wont lie, I'm still going to use my hygrozyme for a little while, once I get a control batch of plants going I can play with what I have and see whats working and whats not. I just planted 6 seeds to pick one or 2 from hopefully and the rest of my strains aside from 1 are going to be grown out and let go on this grow so I can just concentrate one growing 1 or 2 really good strains.....really really good and getting the most out of them for once rather growing 4-5 strains kinda ok. I had that newb syndrome that thought it was easy to grow 6 different strains in a 12 plant max area, and still think I'd get good at it working like that.

Thanks again for your input, as soon as I can take a ride over to that place I'll see what they have.
 

ottawaliquid

Active Member
Thanks guys, I actually stopped using the bio marine squid product after one use. I was brewing a worm casting tea and I figured why not throw in some of the GO products, I tossed some of the bio weed, bio root and grow and everything remained foaming and bubbling like it should, the last thing I put in was the bio marine and all the foaming action instantly stopped. I dont know if whatever microlife doesnt agree or I shouldnt have put that together in that order, or whatever.... but it was enough for me to not use it and suspect it to have chelated (spelling) nutes in it and not be 100% organic. Whatever, I had to be a smart shopper and buy a gallon for like $50 or something and use it literally once and decide its not for me. So whatever for the bio marine, maybe I'll try it again on something else in the future to use it up. But I do use the go products together with my worm teas, this is all still brand new to me, I've applied them 3-4 times so far, so I'm just literally starting to get how it all works, I can regurgitate the info but actually using it and understanding it completely are different, but I'm getting there.

What I started doing though, and I wish I thought of this sooner was to mix up a batch of GO nutes and a worm tea in separate 5 gallon buckets, and let that breed its own life for 24 hours, then mix the 2 50/50 trying to bring the PPM around 750 or so. Thats just what it ends up being and I check as a reference, my favorite thing about organics is no need to use meters anymore if I dont want to, I use my meter to verify water temp (68ish is what I shoot for) more than ppm. But so far just the recommended dose of general organics and the worm teas have gotten my girls going with no real signs of deficiency yet other than the minor stuff in the beginning while they were rooting as clones.

That feed store had a few things, soybean meal, kelp meal, and a few others, I'll see what else when I go over there. Let me just understand this, these products arent necessarily for gardening but for animal feed? Is that correct or am I not understanding that? I'm a city guy, I've been on camping trips but usually I'm not heading to far into the woods as they arent very close...I probably should....but I dont find myself near a feed store to often, nor do I have any clue how people actual "farm" or feed the animals on their farms or what they feed them with. One of those never had the need to know kinda things.


Thanks canna for the dark side comment, I appreciate it, it really is a fight to be able to do this. Someone has to do it though, right? As well as I'm not a true commercial type of grower though, I grow strains for their med properties, at least I try to pick them that way. The people that get my herb are sick, I have a couple people with fibro, one being my mother who has it worse than anyone I've seen before, another with hep C, but theres the others that have their insomnias and stuff like that, more importantly we have me and my severe mental anguish (j/k) that makes me smoke index finger sized joints twice a day, LOL.. Na but my people are sick though, thats not funny but thats the other reason I NEEDED to get my shit organic, they dont need anything else hurting them and neither do I, so I definitely take it more serious than I did. The dude with hep c has some serious lung problems as well but he tries to shake it off, but he can definitely use some smoke thats smoother and less harsh than the stuff I grew last grow, grown with botanicare, not entirely chem but not organic either.

So I'm just trying to get my weed correct for them and me, I appreciate the info you guys posted. When you really dont know any better you look at organic growing like its written in another language but in reality its easier once you understand, and cheaper isnt the word for it, its literally like penny's to the dollar. I wont lie, I'm still going to use my hygrozyme for a little while, once I get a control batch of plants going I can play with what I have and see whats working and whats not. I just planted 6 seeds to pick one or 2 from hopefully and the rest of my strains aside from 1 are going to be grown out and let go on this grow so I can just concentrate one growing 1 or 2 really good strains.....really really good and getting the most out of them for once rather growing 4-5 strains kinda ok. I had that newb syndrome that thought it was easy to grow 6 different strains in a 12 plant max area, and still think I'd get good at it working like that.

Thanks again for your input, as soon as I can take a ride over to that place I'll see what they have.
I read somewhere that any fish product will cut down on the amount of foaming that you get. but that it isn't necessarily a bad thing
 

RawBudzski

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ground up oat meal also aids in a fungal tea. :D Kelp meal is good too because it floats and provides a surface for the fungi
 

dante76

Active Member
Started my first org grow a couple of weeks ago and transPlanted some into super soil a week ago. Now that I want to use teas, idk what proportions to use for veg.

For a five gallon bucket, how much Molasses, worm castings and kelp meal should I add? Until I figure this out, I will just be using vermi t but I really want to brew my own.
 

whitey78

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Listed in the first post:


  • My simple Veg tea (that I also use for my nursery)
    25% Compost
    10% Straw
    30% Organic Compounds (sea kelp, alfalfa meal, bone/blood meal)
    30% Worm Castings (very high in bacteria)
    5% Molasses

    My current flowering tea recipe
    25% Compost
    10% ground straw
    10% ground oats
    30% sea kelp
    10% alfalfa meal
    5% worm castings
    10% fresh forest soil
    a pinch of molasses (probably 1tbsp per 5 gal)


 

dante76

Active Member
Listed in the first post:


  • My simple Veg tea (that I also use for my nursery)
    25% Compost
    10% Straw
    30% Organic Compounds (sea kelp, alfalfa meal, bone/blood meal)
    30% Worm Castings (very high in bacteria)
    5% Molasses

    My current flowering tea recipe
    25% Compost
    10% ground straw
    10% ground oats
    30% sea kelp
    10% alfalfa meal
    5% worm castings
    10% fresh forest soil
    a pinch of molasses (probably 1tbsp per 5 gal)


i understand the percentages but this doezn't clarify what to start with...for example 30% worm castings means 30% of what volume? 30% of 5 gallons? I don't understand this (???). i'm obviously lost....

Do i start with 1 or 2 or 3 cups of worm castings?
 

whitey78

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i understand the percentages but this doezn't clarify what to start with...for example 30% worm castings means 30% of what volume? 30% of 5 gallons? I don't understand this (???). i'm obviously lost....

Do i start with 1 or 2 or 3 cups of worm castings?
I would go like 2 cups max on worm castings per 5 gallons in the veg mix but I may be going a little heavy. Last night I threw 1 cup of castings (wiggle worm brand) per 5 gallons of water, sorry I thought something equated to amounts on there as well as I thought there was some stuff about amounts in the first post.
 

dante76

Active Member
I would go like 2 cups max on worm castings per 5 gallons in the veg mix but I may be going a little heavy. Last night I threw 1 cup of castings (wiggle worm brand) per 5 gallons of water, sorry I thought something equated to amounts on there as well as I thought there was some stuff about amounts in the first post.
Great! Just what i needed.

anyone familiar with using blood meal(13-0-0) or urea (45-0-0) with a tea for immediate N? recommended dose for 5 gallon mix? i'm thinking maybe 1 or 2 tablespoons??
 

cannatricks

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I don't tend to use mesurements when I make tea, but only because I have PPM meter, as long as the ratio's are the same when I add ingrediants, if I water it down to the correct PPM it should have the same amount of stuff in it.

Tea is very forgiving, so you shouldn't be to worried about having a very high PPM unless you brew for long periods of time. Before I used a PPM meter and had the nursery I would just use a simple tea, so here it is.

5gal bucket
1 cup forest soil
1 cup compost
1 good handful of straw shredded
1 cup sea kelp

bubble for 72 hours, then use!

** on the immediate N, organics are not immediate. I would recommend top dressing with worm castings (maybe 1/2 inch) and then water in well. make sure before you top dress you moisten the soil and break up the top layer, so that the WC's can get into the nooks and crack.

bone meal takes a long time to break down fully. You can add this to your tea and get some of the nutrients out of it (adding more worm castings to the tea is better, they are more soluble), but you only get maybe 2-3% of the N that is water soluble (I add to tea for the microbial food, not for the plant food). As for Urea, the problem with this is that our bodies process all of then things that go into them, and our urine contains most of the waste that we cannot process. It is very difficult to know how strong the urea in your urine is. If you drink lots of water it's weak, if you drink lots of coffee it's acidic, if you drink lots of alcohol, you will almost certainly kill your plants.

Cheers!

If you have nothing else, water it down 10 or 20-1 and try that, it is very easy to kill your plants with urine.
 

dante76

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thanks...just wondered about the UREA...i saw this at a local nursery..but no idea where it came from (animal wise)
 

cannatricks

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In that case you are a lot safer I figured you ment human urine, just don't use your own piss. water it down 20-1, animal urea is great, they don't eat all the shit we do. I was just thinking about a quick N boost, and if you are making tea's outside (this stinks bad.) and you can get access to some chicken or rabbit manure, you can make a tea with that. But be warned, it is *very* strong. mix it bubble it, and use it after 24 hours, then throw it in the compost pile, it gets bad quickly. Dilute it way down, I'd fill a 5gal bucket 1/4 full of manure/bedding and the rest with water, then afterwards, put 2 cups of this tea in another bucket of water.
 

stumps

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I would compost the chicken shit prior to making tea. it only takes a short time. To feeds to the worms I only have to compost for a few days.
 
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