cowell
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I have trimmed for 8 hours a day for a week.. how's that.. I've already told you that too.. why are you going over the same things? I've already answered your points, you're just changing how you word your same incorrect points.Did you ever look into bhang? (the drink not just one of the indian words for pot) No? It's a cannabis lassi that has been used for thousands of years - guess what no decarb. Are millions of Indians just experiencing the placebo effect? What is going on there?
Fuck you are wrong about everything you say to me - I said I did look into the things you told me to.. one is an Indian word for Hash, and bhang - I said I had to google.. it said it was a traditional drink made with milk, water and honey, and they boiled... guess what - that's heating it.. that is exactly what I'm saying it takes to get you high.. so I agreed that it would work. When THC is heated, it's "activated" and more effective. I'm not now, nor am I saying there is NO active material in raw bud, quite the contrary, even in my first post I explicitly said that there isn't much active material.. that means I'm saying there's some... I've even re-stated it to you a few posts ago.
Again.. what is going on there? It's being HEATED.. that's what I'm saying will get you high.
Ever had an alcohol tincture? I guess all those people that get high off those oral alcohol tinctures are nuts as well (many many if not most I have seen prepared for the medical community were never decarbed)... Maybe its just the dropper full of alcohol.
Why are you talking to me like I'm a noobie? Of course I've had of green dragon asshole.. I've made BHO too incase you think it has anything to do with what I'm saying.. If I'm arguing how THCA is decarbonized with you - I think it's safe to assume I know what the fuck a tinture is.
http://www.thecannabischef.com/content/how-make-green-dragon Here's a good recipe for it actually - I want you to notice where it says -It is important to DECARB your marijuana before following this tutorial. To do this place the cannabis on a baking sheet in the oven at 150°F for 30-60 minutes. The marijuana should crumble easily.
So my question for you is - Have you made it? If you have to decarb it.. then of course it gets you high.. that's what I'm saying... thanks for providing more examples of where people are saying "decarb your weed to make it active"...
[video=youtube;yEhXjnoGriI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEhXjnoGriI[/video]
We going to ignore real evidence over your poor interpretation of science? Which you seem to continually be changing your mind on... especially for a biochemist I like the "certified" part though...
What am I ignoring? Where's your science? I'm saying YOUR interpretation of how THC gets into your system is incorrect. You aren't showing me anything that says THC that isn't heated in some way will get you high.. That's the science... You are a botinist?. LMFAO.. sure you are. And I'm a PHD Brain surgen. Go look at your text books again. What real evidence.. the examples you are using are recipes you ingest that heats cannibis to decarb it first.. that's what I'm saying too. I'm saying you can't get high until you heat the THC. That's with your examples - and turn around and say I'm stupid. Stop and check yourself.
Things we agree on:
Marijuana has active cannabinoids before it goes through a "decarb procedure". We agree it happens - What I'm disagreeing with you on is to the extent that it happens. Just because there are trace amounts of THC and CBD, I'm saying it's there, but not to a high enough volume to get anyone high.
Cannabinoids can be absorbed through human tissues including the skin, synusus, eyes, mouth, stomach lining, gut, lung tissue...
Yup, and I've never said anything to the contrary... and tinctures, edibles, vaporizers, salves, bongs are all using weed that's been heated as part of the preparation.
People can feel cannabinoids when they have been absorbed in a large enough quantity. agreed, once it's decarbed to an extent where it's in a concentration to do anything you will feel.
Different people have drastically different tollerances to cannabinoids and feel their effect in different ways - for some this is a minute amount and other it's a fairly high amount. Show me a study that show this implicitly and tested with blood tests on what people's actual level of THC in their bloodstream was when they were all lit from trimming.. Remeber, I contend that these same people may believe they are high from these minute amounts you are using as an example. Standing on my original contention - Placebo effect will effect 30% of particiapnts in a clinical study. I will say - yes, but it still has to be decarbed by heat to have an effect where any person, those who contend they are stoned from minute amounts of anything may very well feel they are, but unless it's backed by a clinical test to determine amount of THC in their bloodstream how can you say without a doubt that it is NOT placebo? The ones that have to have a large amount of exposure of raw bud eventually may fall into this same category. If you have trimmed for days, and I have trimmed for days, and you say you get high, and I say I don't.. it doesn't mean you have no tollerance.. it means that in your mind you believe so strongly that you get high from coming into contact with raw weed that you do. Unless you have a blood test to tell you how much THC you have in your system is present, I'm going to contend you are part of the 30% that is high due to placebo. It's not that complicated what I'm saying.. I don't see how you are having so much trouble seeing where I'm coming from.
When you trim for long periods of time your tissues including skin, eyes, sinus, throat, lungs... can come into contact with cannabinoids.
But I contend that even if you trimmed a million lbs of weed, if you are high from it, it's all in your mind. You believe it. You feel it. It's still placebo - because THC NEEDS to be heated to be "active" to the point where it the effects of the THC are actually what is getting you high.
Pretty sure this is all stuff you have agree to. Now I'm confused as to how you can possible say those are true and yet come to your conclusion.
Fuck.. PAY ATTENTION AND I'LL TELL YOU AGAIN - I'm saying that THC needs to be heated to be active. What part of that is confusing you? Your examples of bhang (which is boiled with milk) or green dragon (where the weed is decarbed in the oven before you make it - so it's activated by heat) just back up what I'm saying.. they are both heated, so yes, the THC in it is activate.. so it'll get you high.
Just make a truth table...If all of those are true, then when a person with a lower tolerance comes into contact with enough cannabinoids, of which some are active, then they can absorb some, and after absorbing enough they could be able to feel it. This is really basic logic here - which I assume doesn't matter as you are more into slinging insults that discussing the issue, but there it is for you broken down all nice and simple so that even an a college freshman could understand.
Truth table?? I would draw a circle and in the middle put "you can't get high from non heated weed".. then I am going to put "tinctures, and baked goods are all heated, and get you high".. truth. Then I'm going to put "you can get high from the limited amount of CBD found in non heated, non decarbed weed"... and throw it on the floor cause it's not true. That's basic logic.. your arguements against what I'm saying are as feeble as your non existant evidence. I don't care what you think- I think you are wrong. Show me a study that other people have done, and let me see their research and see if it makes any sence, or it's just a web page saying "raw bud gets you high"...
I'm slinging insults? check back and see where insults started in this discussion and get off your shoebox... You called me an idiot for using an example of how some people choose to take their drugs. Whether or not you see anally taking alcohol, or other drugs as gross, or bad, doesn't change the fact of what I was saying. If people will have a vodka enima to get super drunk, super fast.. If you could get high from absorbing non carbonized weed through your skin - there are some situations where people would likely use that tactic to get high - But I'm saying they DON'T stick weed in their armpit, or up their butt, not because it's unpleasant.. because it doesn't get you high - you have to heat it first... if you decarb your weed in the oven, and then make bubble hash- you may get high when you're rolling it.. that's about the only way I can see me agreeing that it's possible to actually BE high - not just feel high... cause I've rolled more hash in the past year that I bet I could start competing with FDD on how much we press... I am processing trim for like 4 other growers, and my own.. I don't get high hand rolling bubble and I do that bare handed.
The problem you are having with what I'm saying is - for whatever reason- you seem to be upset that I'm saying if you feel high from trimming weed - and that it's a placebo effect. It doesn't change how real the experience is for you.. I'm totally agreeing that you could feel stoned from trimming weed if you fall into the 1/3 of people where they feel an effect. Doesn't make you high. But you feel like you are in your mind. That's great, but science doesn't back up what you're saying... if you could get high from non carbonized MJ - people would be doing it.. I don't hear about it, at all.. do you?
How long was it in contact with you? Hours? Did you breathe any in? Did it get in your eyes? I've never been high from making dry ice keif... I have been high from trimming all day. So you made dry ice keif once or twice and that didn't personally get you high so it definitely cannot happen... One time I ate a budderbrothers brownie and nothing happened - I guess no one can get high of budderbrother backed goods - no that would be a pretty silly conclusion to jump to. Were you also smoking pot while making it? lol
That's right - that's exactly what I'm saying - you cannot get high from non carbonized THCA... I am exactly saying it impossible for you to be high making dry ice hash, and the reason I'm saying it is the same thing I've been saying all along, THC needs to be heated to be active to the point it will effect you to the point you are high.
The only way you are going to get me agree that it's possible to get actually high from weed that's not heated is you'd have to have a rediculous amount of weed and rub all of the trichomes directly up your ass to have anything happen that isn't placebo effects.
I don't know about your brownie experience, but if it happened, I would challenge the amount of hash in the final product- as in any manufacturing environment - mistakes happen.. it's possible that batch of brownies accidentally didn't get it's dose of hash. That's possible people error, and yes it would be silly to assume that no one would get high from brownies..or that this example helps your argumement at all - it has anything to do with what we're talking about either.... It's well known that brownies get you high.. it's also well known that brownies are cooked.. so once again - it's heated.. so yes they should get you high. You are saying alot, but nothing.
You're "points" and "examples" back up what I've been saying the whole time.. My point has NOTHING to do with how it gets into your bloodstream.. I'm agreeing there are ways to get THC through your skin.. what I'm saying is it needs to be heated for any of those ways to get you high - other than by placebo because the concentrations of THC and CBD in non decarbed weed aren't enough to actually make up a dose that would have an effect on anyone. I'm saying it's too minimal to have an effect in raw weed. I feel like a broken record man.. I've been good enough to answer every one of your questions - no matter how retarded.. do me a favor and just answer one for me..
Do you have a link to an actual study that shows effects from non decarbed weed exposure.. however it happens?
Save your examples.. you aren't very good at that. Just post a link to something that backs what you're saying.. go through it first and look for anywhere where the THC is heated before experiments are preformed on THC in the blood stream. That means if it's smoked, vaped, eaten in a food that's been cooked, or it was heated in the oven before used, then don't post that, cause I will agree that it will work and we'll have nothing to discuss.