HobbyGrower72
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stellar grow! i'll be along for the new plans.
here's to growing some killer pot!
here's to growing some killer pot!
One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry
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you should post a picture showing your whole grow cabinet and the plant inside to show the size of it
lilindian
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Looks about right, you wont get huge buds and growth will be slower under CFL's. What you've drawn will work though. Don't cut corners and invest in good equipment, a good environment makes growing a hell of a lot easier believe me.
stellar grow! i'll be along for the new plans.
here's to growing some killer pot!
Thaaaaanks, went shoppin today for more equipment, every time i splash out on grow stuff i say to myself "once i have this i wont need to upgrade or spend any more" but somehow i always do! I never ever even considered sticking 2 cool tubes in a cabinet before this week...
You'll have one tonight
Diggin the new plans man, put it into action!
All in good time my friend, i'm still in the designing stages, got some crazy ideas coming into my head! I want to make this cabinet a work of art in itself
lilindian
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So i've done a little research and since my last build, this new material has come on the market and is meant to be better than diamond stamped mylar (what i'm currently using)
Here's a lil info on the stuff:
Here's a lil info on the stuff:
"Like the artist who suddenly finds a moment of divine inspiration, your decision to deck walls with new ORCA Grow Film could radically change future fortunes forever! This unique and exciting product consists of a highly reflective, highly diffused surface that’s been designed to distribute light incredibly evenly across all plants whilst ensuring dreaded hot spots don’t develop. ORCA Grow Film offers stunning 94% reflectivity – making it the top performing grow room sheeting currently available – and reassuringly guarantees all of the light reflected from your lamps maintains the original colour spectrum. The material used to create ORCA Grow Film is extremely durable, puncture and tear resistant, waterproof, UV protected and 100% light tight."
its x3 the price of diamond stamped mylar, but i'm not one to budget! I'm building this cab to last, so no corners will be cut, only the best will be used.
its x3 the price of diamond stamped mylar, but i'm not one to budget! I'm building this cab to last, so no corners will be cut, only the best will be used.
idontlikesociety
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I've read about that OCRA Grow Film too. Seems to be best you can get!
iPot
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I know cfls wont yeild as much as an hps but I want to make sure I want to grow/can grow before I invest too much money. I might do a few grows with cfls and if I still have interest in growing a will get a 250w hps. I might even get one during my first grow. I read "Buds for Less" and he got 8ozs from cfls so that gives me a little hope.
edit: I just realized that using cfls first would be pointless. If I add up the cost of the bulbs, sockets, powerstrips, extension cords, and reflectors it will almost equal a 250w hps. Not to mention I will have no use for all that shit after I get a hps. So I will get the hps right off the bat, can you recommend a good company?
Catchin22
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Yup you're right about that! I started CFLs because I thought they would be cheap, really it's not THAT expensive but you DO have to deal with how you are going to position them and such. I had to purchase flexible extensions and Y adapters and Clip Lamps and so on, and still I am not satisfied. What I SHOULD have done was saved up just a bit more and went for a 400watt HPS. I recommend going with the 400w over a 250, the 400w will be more efficient.
IMO Amazon has some great prices on HPS systems. I searched locally and all of them were about 2x or MORE expensive than amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B004HNPGKA
Here's a decent one, there are a lot more there though. The only thing amazon does not seem to have a /great/ selection of is HPS bulbs but the ones you get with them should be fine. CFLs make a good way to create some side lighting or even under lighting though.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0057UHB6Y
Those have been a life saver for positioning CFL lights, however they really only hold ONE light sturdy, a Y adapter on them weights a bit too much, can still be used and positioned just not as well.
But yeah, in summary, go with an HPS/MH setup from the start if you can!
lilindian
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Completely agree with both of you. My first ever grow was done using a 400W mh for veg and 400W HPS for flowering. I bought a cheap reflector and thought i could get away with that but started having heat issues right from the start. The bathroom extractor i used overheated on the first day, and nothing seemed to b working out for me. I even got sent the wrong ballast and blew the fuse in my house after waiting ages for the bulb to fire up for the first time (no idea why i was under the impression it would take so long), shows u how little i knew when i started.
I ended up getting an air cooled reflector and a 5" RVK extractor and together with using an inline fan for the intake (instead of cheap rubbbish computer fans) and drilling a few more holes, i got the temps stable and bang on point.
Basically i realised i shudnt've cut corners and instead shud have invested properly in the project from the start, i wouldve saved money, time, put in less effort, and had less stress. The only reason i carried on growing after my first attempt was due to the results i got, and i would not have got the same results without investing time, effort and money into my setup.
If my first grow was under CFLs i would not have grown again i dont think, for the reason that although possible, its in many ways a lot harder to get a really gd crop under cfls compared to a mh/hps combo. Yes u might not hav to deal with temp issues but ur plants will hate u if they knew they cud be sitting under HID lighting!
That brings me onto my next point, good ventilation is KEY, especially in cabinet grows, so dont cut corners here either. If i were u... I'd get a 5" cool tube (perfect for cabinets, in some cases better than big reflectors depending on the space ur working with) a 5" RVK, have a passive intake, but buy a fan speed controller for the RVK so u can play with the ambient temp of ur cab, and maybe even run a 250W mh/hps, it will kick the shit out of any cfl set up im sure.
Saying that though id also hav to agree with catchin, a 400W is probably the best thing to go for, but only if u got space to run it. Dont forget more watts = more heat given off from the bulb so u have to leave more room between bulb and top of plant, so when designing the height of ur flowering cab, take into account what watt bulb u'll b running.
In summary, ur much more likely to love growing/love the results if ur growing in a good environment (lights, fans, mylar ect). This means mh/hps, cfls are good for vegging but mh are still a long shot better.
Investment is key, just dont go buying co2 systems and stupidly priced nutes first time round, i'd highly recommend HESI starter kits, they got me going
Catchin22
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So i've done a little research and since my last build, this new material has come on the market and is meant to be better than diamond stamped mylar (what i'm currently using)
Here's a lil info on the stuff:
"Like the artist who suddenly finds a moment of divine inspiration, your decision to deck walls with new ORCA Grow Film could radically change future fortunes forever! This unique and exciting product consists of a highly reflective, highly diffused surface that’s been designed to distribute light incredibly evenly across all plants whilst ensuring dreaded hot spots don’t develop. ORCA Grow Film offers stunning 94% reflectivity – making it the top performing grow room sheeting currently available – and reassuringly guarantees all of the light reflected from your lamps maintains the original colour spectrum. The material used to create ORCA Grow Film is extremely durable, puncture and tear resistant, waterproof, UV protected and 100% light tight."
its x3 the price of diamond stamped mylar, but i'm not one to budget! I'm building this cab to last, so no corners will be cut, only the best will be used.
Wow! Great find! What's the reflective rate on normal Mylar? Just looked up the price on amazon...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0049NZ4KK
Yeah, that is 3x the price
"
- ORCA's patent pending white plastic microfiber structure scatters light from highly reflective crystalline structures within the substrate.
- ORCA Grow Film is 94% reflective across the full visible spectrum and provides 99% diffusion measuring 2 times more light on a light meter than mylar.
- ORCA Grow Film is 100% light tight, thermally reflecting, waterproof, and will not yellow from UV light.
- The film will help stop mold and algae growth and can safely be cleaned with household cleaners.
That stuff sounds great! I am curious on the plastic microfiber structure and how that feels... If you decide to buy some of that please post up a review!
gingerbuddha
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looks good as usual! still curious to see how much you yield, what is the linear space overall? I just yielded around an oz and a half in about a 1x2 area give or take.
Have fun trimming brother
Have fun trimming brother
Catchin22
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I think we all are, the suspense is killing me! lol! It's funny how excited I am over somebody else's project.
lilindian
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The decision has already been made! Heard nothing but gd stuff about it. Will post a review for sure, although i have no lux meter so yeh.
looks good as usual! still curious to see how much you yield, what is the linear space overall? I just yielded around an oz and a half in about a 1x2 area give or take.
Have fun trimming brother
Thanks, i dont hav a clue on the yield either but these are some of the best buds ive grown appearance wise. The linear space is approx 2 feet wide and 1 foot deep, cab is sliightly bigger but thats the canopy size i think, mayb a few more inches in both directions. I'll measure up tonight.
To give u an idea on my next cab, it will be a few inches wider than the current one, and approx as deep as the current ones width
Im saving the trimming for later (putting it off), first gona get cut and dry out the way
MISSPHOEBE
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I have learnt many Interesting Things during the Reading of the Gr8!!Thread!! - Can't wait for you to post - Your Yield! Well Done and Keep Up The GoodGrowing! I am about to attempt my very first Scrog too... With GreatWhiteShark! They are ready to Harvest Right Now... but when I Harvest I intend to Re-veg Them and then GrowScrog!!!!!! I'll let you guys know how this goes!
Thanx For This Thread -
Its been a wonderful ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx For This Thread -
Its been a wonderful ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lilindian
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Thanks for the kind words, its nice to know my hard work is appreciated by others. I've learnt loads of interesting things too during this grow, really helped me understand a little better how these plants grow and how changing something will effect the plant, and how they adapt. After doing this grow, the way i see it, MJ plants were made to be trained. So bare that in mind when you do your first SCROG. However u tie them down, they will adapt, and depending on how you tie them down you can achieve different outcomes (auxin distribution).
I've never been a fan of the idea of Re-vegging, its just so far from the natural life cycle of the plant in my opinion, and from what i've heard results are never amazing. Saying that i'd still be interested in seeing what you come up with so do keep me informed.
Again thanks, glad u enjoyed the (long) read!
now thats what i call a update wicked pic's mate well done
Thanks, got another sneaky one coming up before harvest
lilindian
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Startin to yellow out a bit more with the lack of nutes and numerous leeches.
I did another rough measurement and the canopy is roughly 2.5ft wide and 1.5ft deep, the plant is literally pushing up on the back side of the cab and the doors close against the buds. I could've probably grown her a bit wider but in the end wanted to leave a gap on the sides for air flow.
I still think i could keep Suze going for another week or so to further mature, i still see a lot of white pistils. But the longer i leave her growing the higher chance of finding mold, so i'm quitting while i'm ahead. Parts of her are fully matured, others not, should be a good mix
I'm sure I could grow more bud in this cab (vertical scrogs) but would rather just build a bigger cab. The new one will have plenty of space for a hydro system in the future when i choose to go down that route.