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[GoodFriend]

...kinda begs the effing question, why would you use organics? The elements that cross the root barrier are elements- matters little whether your plants get their nitrogen from ammonium nitrate or from rotted veg matter and bat guano.

organics is more like an art... haha... a million different theories and beliefs and "right ways" of doing things...

chem nutes is kinda just plug and chug.... do -this- and you get -that-

having smoked both, i can't tell the difference in taste... though there are some people who think that different organic regimens will bring out different nuances in the bud....

al, i'm sure you've heard it all before
and as long as the pot is fairly yummy and gets me high enough, well i'm set.... and so are my buyers...

i mean hell... enough people smoke reggy/comemercial and god knows what might have been used during the grow...

 

[cmak40]

organics is more like an art... haha... a million different theories and beliefs and "right ways" of doing things...

chem nutes is kinda just plug and chug.... do -this- and you get -that-

having smoked both, i can't tell the difference in taste... though there are some people who think that different organic regimens will bring out different nuances in the bud....

al, i'm sure you've heard it all before
and as long as the pot is fairly yummy and gets me high enough, well i'm set.... and so are my buyers...

i mean hell... enough people smoke reggy/comemercial and god knows what might have been used during the grow...

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now i asked al about organics and bigged it up a little and he yelled at me so im not gonna say anything other than ive been smokin for about 12 years everyday and have always had more money than ambition, i buy off this site every week an ounce of ORGANIC grown purple kush. im gettin tired of paying the price so thats why im in forums learning for myself, that being said there IS a difference in taste if you are smoking REAL ORGANIC grown weed. i may know less than al has forgotton about growing weed but i know good tasting weed and a good high when i smoke it, and ORGANIC TASTES BETTER.

people have opinions but if you are a TRUE CONNOISSEUR then you will agree. do some research and you will find that there is certain organic nutrients that can handle h2o2 and do well in hydro setups.

anyway sorry for the hijack just my quik opinion while the topic is up

 

[Al B. Fuct]

Hey Al, quick question: I have a 400 hps and I'm probably going to buy a 600W as well. Would you suggest having the 400 over weeks 1-4 and the 600 over weeks 5-8? Or the other way around? I'm trying to think of when the plants would benefit the most from the greater light intensity.

Use the 400 over the less developed plants. The bigger plants will like the foliar penetration capacity of the more powerful light.

you know anything about the bluelabs combo meters?

I know their current pHTruncheon doesn't work worth a damn... I would be wary of other Bluelab pH meters, combined with a nute meter or not. They tried getting into pH meters some years ago and gave up for a long time until the recent introduction of the pHTruncheon. Don't know why.

organics is more like an art... haha... a million different theories and beliefs and "right ways" of doing things...

chem nutes is kinda just plug and chug.... do -this- and you get -that-

You bet. It's much less complex. You're growing ONE organism in a chem hydro op- cannabis plants. IMNSFHO, the best way is the one that gives as good a result as any other but involves the least effort and possibility for failure.

having smoked both, i can't tell the difference in taste... though there are some people who think that different organic regimens will bring out different nuances in the bud....

mm, ok

al, i'm sure you've heard it all before

Not ALL- I'm always getting surprised with something.

and as long as the pot is fairly yummy and gets me high enough, well i'm set.... and so are my buyers...

That's part of the nut, but the thing your buyers will like better than anything is reliability of supply. You can grow golden buds dripping with diamonds but no one will care if you can only make an oz a year. There's something to be said for fault tolerance in a grow. Nothing worse than a period of no buds due to some failure in the op. Chem nutes and H2O2 make reliably productive ops dead easy.

 

[We TaRdED]

hey al!! hows it going?

i was just reading a thread from another MJ guru and thought you might be interested in some of the concepts on here

Ask Lucas - Cannabis-World

i know your very knowledgeable, but i wasnt sure if youve seen some of these idea's.

i hope you like the read.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

cheese and rice!

Not quite with him on everything... that guy's got more time on his hands than even me.

 

[We TaRdED]

cheese and rice!

"cheese and rice!" is that good or bad? lol

i havent read past the first couple pages myself. im lost on the whole 0-8-16 stuff they use.... is that the npk of the nutes?

i have yet to go hydro(soiless mix- the passive "hydro" way.. its just like soil except you need to start nuting from the first few days JMHO), so a lot of that stuff does not pertain to me yet. anyways i just figured it might help you save some money on changing your res every 2 weeks or so..... interesting concepts regardless.

reading threads like that make me realize how much i dont know... lol that guy, along with you al, definitely knows his stuff. JMHO

sorry for the hijack, but you dont have PM's last time i heard.....

 

[Maccabee]

cheese and rice!

LOL! Is that for growing pot, or catching trout?

 

[Al B. Fuct]

"cheese and rice!" is that good or bad? lol

i havent read past the first couple pages myself. im lost on the whole 0-8-16 stuff they use.... is that the npk of the nutes?

He's using that notation format to describe ml of nutes per some amt of water- it IS a bit confusing as it looks exactly like an NPK notation.

i have yet to go hydro(soiless mix- the passive "hydro" way.. its just like soil except you need to start nuting from the first few days JMHO), so a lot of that stuff does not pertain to me yet. anyways i just figured it might help you save some money on changing your res every 2 weeks or so..... interesting concepts regardless.

That was precisely the concept I was not in agreement with the guy on.

If you top up a half-eaten tank of mixed nutes with more nutrient concentrate and water, unless you have a mass spectrometer to divine the actual content of each nutrient existing in the old solution (an EC meter will only tell you about the total dissolved salts, but nothing about how much N, P & K are individually in solution), you don't know what quantity of nutrients (nor their proportion to one another) are remaining in the tank before you start adding more nutes. REAL easy to nute burn. There's an appropriate ratio of N:K for veg and flower- and if you don't know what it is before you start adding more, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

You should start with a freshly mixed tank, replace the water as it is consumed/evaporated, then dump the tanks at ~15 days and mix up fresh sauce. Nutrient mixes are engineered to provide not only adequate amounts of nutrients but also to keep the ratios of nutes, one to the others, within certain tolerances for the life of a tank of mixed nutes.

LOL! Is that for growing pot, or catching trout?

'cheese and rice' is a euphemism (colloquial to mudwestern USA) for the expletive 'JEEEEZUS CHRIST!" I don't euphemise much, but I DO love 'cheese & rice' cos it just SOUNDS funny.

 

[GoodFriend]

He's using that notation format to describe ml of nutes per some amt of water- it IS a bit confusing as it looks exactly like an NPK notation.

i think he's describing the lucus formula... where you only use the micro and bloom of a 3 part nute system... and for veg you feed in ratios of 2partsMICRO:1partBLOOM and in flower 2partsBLOOM:1partMICRO

the normal rec. does of each is 5ml/gal, so this would be about a 160% strength feed...

oh, and the so 0-8-16 would be 0ml grow - 8ml bloom - 16ml micro

giving you an NPK of 16-8-16 if i'm not mistaken... if using GH flora system atleast...

sorry for the interjection just thought i'd help ya clear that up for our friend...

 

[Al B. Fuct]

Yep, I'd seen he was talking about GH 3-part nutes, should have made mention of that.

I know lots of ppl have great success with GH nutes, but 3 part mixes seem unnecessarily complex to me. With Canna's 2-part goo, I put 400ml each of "A" & "B" in a 125L tank- and it's done for the next 2 weeks.

 

[GoodFriend]

Yep, I'd seen he was talking about GH 3-part nutes, should have made mention of that.

I know lots of ppl have great success with GH nutes, but 3 part mixes seem unnecessarily complex to me. With Canna's 2-part goo, I put 400ml each of "A" & "B" in a 125L tank- and it's done for the next 2 weeks.

thats what lucas is trying to make less complicated...
ditch the gro part...effectively making it a 2 part series... and veg go 2part micro to 1 part bloom, and reverse the ratio in flower...

i don't worry about the hole res and topping off part as i'm doing hempy growing... which might make this system more useful...

 

[Maccabee]

'cheese and rice' is a euphemism (colloquial to mudwestern USA) for the expletive 'JEEEEZUS CHRIST!" I don't euphemise much, but I DO love 'cheese & rice' cos it just SOUNDS funny.

Hah! I thought it was some totally ridiculous organic tea recipe. I was thinking "these organics guys are getting totally out of pocket."

I win the gullible award today.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

say, did you hear that Oxford is going to remove the word 'gullible' from the dictionary? Too few people understand what it means for it to be a useful part of the lexicon.

 

[cmak40]

say, did you hear that Oxford is going to remove the word 'gullible' from the dictionary? Too few people understand what it means for it to be a useful part of the lexicon.

lmao, really? jk good one tho.

quik ?, i have a 4x8 flower area(4 2x4 flood tables in a row) do you think 2 600s over each 4x4 area is sufficient, thats only 37.5 wats per sq/ft and i can use cooltubes for those which i think i mite need to in the summer, or should i use a 1000 watt for a 4x4 area on a light mover so it will cover each 4x4 area fully,that is 62.5 watss per sq/ft....(that much necesarry?) with this tho i CANNOT cool tube it. it is in a base ment where in the summer its probably around 20-22 c without any op in there.

 

[Al B. Fuct]

cmak, I'd put a pair of 1000s over that 4x8 so each covers 4x4. If you had a 1000 moving over a 4x8, that's only 31.5W/sf.

Too bad you can't cooltube... but why not? What's going to happen to your main exhaust? Got a big crawlspace or something to dump exhaust into? It's all gotta go somewhere.

 

[VictorVIcious]

well the is an enigma. VV

 

[Al B. Fuct]

well the is an enigma. VV

I agree- the sure is an enigma!

 

[cmak40]

cmak, I'd put a pair of 1000s over that 4x8 so each covers 4x4. If you had a 1000 moving over a 4x8, that's only 31.5W/sf.

Too bad you can't cooltube... but why not? What's going to happen to your main exhaust? Got a big crawlspace or something to dump exhaust into? It's all gotta go somewhere.

a 6 foot light mover on centre with 1 1000 covering 8 feet would essentially be 2 1000s no? i have access to, 1-1000, 8-600s, and 2-400s, i dont think i have the available power for 2 1000s but i do have 4 cool tubes..

was gonna go 400cfm carbon filter--->cooltubed 600 over 2-2x4s--->cooltubed 600 over 2-2x4s--->cooltubed 400 over moms---> 440cfm inline exhaust, everything is 6 inch diameter. it will be exhausted either back into the basement or outside depends on whats available but i think i can put it under my porch. thats alot of hot air in the middle of winter pooring out of house tho?!?!?! and the intake will be from the basement passive basically. the room itself is a totally sealed 7.5ftx13ftx6.2ft high room its gonna be a revamped version of my journal at a diff location.

also al i cut some clones las nite they looked good nice and big so id thought theyd be good but i went ther todayand they were droopy as hell. they are in a tupperware dish upside down under a 400, the area was about 28 c and they had plenty of water in the bottom of the tray to evaporate any idea/suggestion?

 

[Al B. Fuct]

a 6 foot light mover on centre with 1 1000 covering 8 feet would essentially be 2 1000s no?

No.

If the light is only over a given point for 1/2 the time, it will apply only half the luminous energy to that spot. With a linear light mover, the centre part of the travel gets more light on avg than the ends, but the light is distributed (and divided) by the time the lamp is over any given point. Rotary light movers don't have the uneven distribution along the travel problem but light energy is still divisible by the amt of time the lamp is covering a given point.

i have access to, 1-1000, 8-600s, and 2-400s, i dont think i have the available power for 2 1000s but i do have 4 cool tubes..

Try your 1000 over one 4x4 end of the 4x8 and a couple of the 600s over 2x4 segments of the other end and cooltube the lot. Run the 1000 @ about 350mm above the leaves and the 600s about 200mm. Lots of lumens per m2 on the 600 x2 end, ought to make some heavy buddage if you put your late flowering plants there.

it will be exhausted either back into the basement or outside depends on whats available but i think i can put it under my porch. thats alot of hot air in the middle of winter pooring out of house tho?!?!?! and the intake will be from the basement passive basically. the room itself is a totally sealed 7.5ftx13ftx6.2ft high room its gonna be a revamped version of my journal at a diff location.

Under the porch might keep you from having to shovel snow depending on where you are... That would be a bit if a giveaway if all your neighbours are giving themselves heart attacks trying to start their snow blowers, but sounds incredibly convenient. If you can make it silent, sounds as good a solution as any.

also al i cut some clones las nite they looked good nice and big so id thought theyd be good but i went ther todayand they were droopy as hell. they are in a tupperware dish upside down under a 400, the area was about 28 c and they had plenty of water in the bottom of the tray to evaporate any idea/suggestion?

What's the medium? Is it wet or saturated? Do I understand you have them covered with a tupperware as a humidome? I know you probably did, but did you sterilise everything (scalpel, hands, H2O2 in clone watering soln, all plant contact surfaces)? Did you give them 6 hours darkness after cutting? How far away is that 400? Do you have a heat mat?

 

[cmak40]

What's the medium? Is it wet or saturated? Do I understand you have them covered with a tupperware as a humidome? I know you probably did, but did you sterilise everything (scalpel, hands, H2O2 in clone watering soln, all plant contact surfaces)? Did you give them 6 hours darkness after cutting? How far away is that 400? Do you have a heat mat?

they are in 40mm rockwool cubes,

i think that they may be a little over saturated but they dont feel like it to me(im NEW) yes a tupperware thats all i had, walmart didnt have one.

ya i sterilized everything, i cut them off the plant then put under water and cut again then into rooting solution then into cubes.

ahh ya they went into about 4hrs of darkness and under a 400 hps that puts enuf heat to keep the area plenty warm(closet)