Jekyll Passion, Blueberry, Tangerine Dream, Sour Kush #SCROG#

400aZip

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If you have any desire to mix your own fertilizers, it is important that you have at least basic understanding of these terms

Electricity is conducted due to the presence of ions (electrically charged) in a solution. The ions get there by introduction of salts via our ferts!

EC (electric conductivity) is a representation of how much potential a solution has to conduct electricity...SO, by testing the ability of a solution to conduct electricity, we can indirectly determine the amount of salts present....thereby knowing if we have the right concentration of ferts.

E.C. is a measure of salinity by measuring its conductivity. You want an E.C. under 2.0.....anything around 4.0 signifies an extreme excess of salt which calls for immediate leeching. There are devices for measuring...honestly, I haven't bought one because I am pretty comfortable with this....but if you experiment may be worth a look!

Despite my natural aversion for ppm measurement, it would be a good idea when mixing ferts as a beginner. Check your nursery or Home Depot. I've F-ed up a plant or two in my day, always because I THOUGHT I was more accurate with eye measurement than I really was!
CF (Conductivity Factor) basically represents the same information but expressed differently. 1 ms/cm is equal to a CF of 10. I don't use this factor and haven't seen many people use it...but just in case, you now have a conversion!

TDS is a measurement, by weight, of the Total Dissolved Solids in a solution and is measured in PPMs (Parts Per Million). Basically, when you hear someone say they introduce nutrients at a rate of 500 PPMs, it means that they have 500 milligrams of solid dissolved in a Liter of water.

You can figure the PPM of your ferts one of two ways.....you can precisely measure the ferts and water you mix together...or you can make a solution and measure the PPM of IT. The shortcut lies in hand-held meters which measure the EC of a solution and then apply mathematical conversion to the EC figure to arrive at PPMs. Keep in mind, even this is an approximate measurement...but plenty accurate for growers!

Some meters actually display the EC AND the PPM readings. Some only express the EC value and this can be tricky because European and American made meters measure at different rates.
An American device that displays an E.C. of 1.0 has 500PPMs.
A European device that displays an E.C. of 1.0 has 640PPMs.
(I believe Australian manufacturers have a different conversion factor also...but not sure.)

So if your American device only displays E.C., use that old algebra and set the two given equations equal to each other. For example, let's say your E.C. reading is 1.2.

Using the known ratio given just above, we'll cross multiply to solve for x to get the unknown ppms.
1.0/500ppm=1.2/x
x=600
Your solution has 600PPMs. (remember, this would be with the American device...a European device would produce a different result!)

If you want to figure out the PPMs yourself, its pretty easy. Each 1 gram of fertilizer per liter of water gives 10PPMs of each given nutrient per percentage point. Sounds clumsy, wish I could state that better....here's an example.

Use 1 gram of SuperPhosphate 0-20-0 in a liter of DISTILLED water. The solution would have 0ppm of N, 200ppm of P, and 0ppm of K. Also keep in mind that tap water already has dissolved solids...most likely anywhere between 200-400 PPMs. Use distilled water when possible...0 PPMs!!

A guideline for NPK strengths
Now, I have seen different parameters for acceptable PPMs. Here is a decent guideline for the N-P-K standards...play around, but make only gradual changes up! Approximate tolerance range of PPMs per nutrient .... most micronutes are tolerated by plants within the same ranges...but the plant just doesn't need nearly that much!

N 200-400
P 200-600
K 200-600

Approximate tolerance range of TOTAL PPMs in soil/medium
(Obviously the plant can tolerate more as it gets larger and has more root area to uptake nutes and leaf area to transpire water.)

Seedling 500-600
Vegetative 800-1000
Flowering 1000-1500
Flushing 500

PPMs for each growth phase
You may desire more N during veg stages for example. The key is NOT to obsess over the exact numbers. Too many experienced growers give advice in exact parameters to appear 'scientific' or something...but there are too many other factors involved in the actual UPTAKE of these nutrients by roots to claim specificity. These are just general parameters that you can tweak under your own conditions. And again, the plant can tolerate more as it gets larger and has more root area to uptake nutes and leaf area to transpire water...start light, gradually increase with each feeding as your lant can handle it.

Keep in mind, my estimates are given for soil mediums which can tolerate higher levels because the soil components will bond with many elemental ions....a hydro system needs to be more precise....I'm not very familiar with those systems. You've read the dislaimer! Also remember that these parameters are based on the assumption of using DISTILLED water. Tap water will add another 200-400 PPMs, so you would have to adjust accordingly...especially with Cl, Ca, Na, and in rare case, S.

SEEDLING (2-3 weeks...look for 4-5 sets of alternating nodes before moving to veg)

N 150
P 100
K 150
Ca 75
Mg 75
S 25-50
Fe 15
Cl 15
Mn 7
Cu 9
Zn 3
Total: 600ppm

VEGETATIVE/PRE-FLOWER (2-4 weeks)

N 300
P 100
K 200
Ca 100
Mg 100
S 50-75
Fe 25
Cl 25
Mn 10
Cu 15
Zn 5
Total: @1000pm

FLOWER (strain dependent-usually 6-8 weeks)

N 300-400
P 400
K 200
Ca 100-150
Mg 100-150
S 100-150
Fe 25+
Cl 25+
Mn 10
Cu 15
Zn 5
Total: @1300-1500ppm

FLUSH/HARVEST (2 weeks)
N 0
P 75
K 75
Ca 50
Mg 50
S 50
Fe 25
Cl 25
Mn 10
Cu 15
Zn 5
Total: @400ppm

I cannot stress enough that these are estimates...conservative ones due to the fact that chemical ferts allow less room for error. In addition, different strains and conditions will result in different ratios....experiment often and use caution always!
posting this for personal future reference
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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Very nice, I might have to quote that aswell lol.. If your looking for a great EC meter on a budget, check out the HM digital. I've been using it for a few weeks now and I'm in total control of what my plants a taking in!

Another thing I've noticed recently when monitoring the runoff is your ec will build up in soil over time so it is recommended to "leech" or flush your soil every 2-3 feeding if feeding at full strength.
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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I decided that unless they are dying or showing discoloration, i wll leave everything on the plant and keep the stress down to a minimum.
Good decision, if you plan on doing any "defoilation" next round do it in veg and give it time to recover. I just pull dead or dieing leaves off as I see them in flowering. The fans will really start to drop off in flowering under the screen! I pull off a few everyday :)
 

400aZip

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seems like this bud turned herm late in flower. the little premature seeds are annoying as fuck...but the bud is still so good! burns pretty nice still.


I was just worried about nutes going to lower sites that arent getting any light. i'll be okay??

Thanks ALOT for the tip on the meter as I was looking around online for a while today for a decently priced one. ill definitely look into it. thanks treezz
 

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SmeLLyTreeZ

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Yea those late hermies are just a desperate attempt to self pollinate, bud looks dank!! Yea bro I did hours of research for the meters and for the price you can't beat the quality of that HM! I like it so much I'm grabbing there ph meter that is a little more expensive. If you have a little more money to spend BlueLab is legit too! You will be fine on the lower bud sites, its crazy even under my screen I'm getting little popcorn buds that arnt getting much light. there very pale but buds are still producing, I'll either just quick dry and roll blunts or use for hash with it most likely... Next time I will trim a lot higher under the screen though to avoid that problem.
 

400aZip

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for sure. which HM meter was it exactly? i see a few different models, all look like they do the same thing, just each with a few more bells and whistles than the last. I know I wont need to read anything higher than 2000ppm so the TDS-4 is what I initially looked at. thanks again man
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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for sure. which HM meter was it exactly? i see a few different models, all look like they do the same thing, just each with a few more bells and whistles than the last. I know I wont need to read anything higher than 2000ppm so the TDS-4 is what I initially looked at. thanks again man
This is the big dawg that I have that will probably last for quite a while I'm hoping and is dead on accurate!http://www.ebay.com/itm/HM-Digital-COM-100-TDS-EC-T-Meter-Tester-Conductivity-/260924509751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc0500e37

I also tossed up the idea of the cheaper HM model that had great reviews too but I wanted dead on accuracy for my girls :) This would be better than nothing though!http://www.ebay.com/itm/HM-Digital-EC-3-Conductivity-Tester-Meter-w-Case-NEW-/230421836851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a6363433

When buying a meter go for the EC meters because PPM differs between nutes. EC is what they use to figure out the PPM/TDS readings. The first one I listed does EC and TDS in all conversions.. If you need help once you pick it up just shout at me. It was a little confusing at first lol..
 

400aZip

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This is the big dawg that I have that will probably last for quite a while I'm hoping and is dead on accurate!http://www.ebay.com/itm/HM-Digital-COM-100-TDS-EC-T-Meter-Tester-Conductivity-/260924509751?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc0500e37

I also tossed up the idea of the cheaper HM model that had great reviews too but I wanted dead on accuracy for my girls :) This would be better than nothing though!http://www.ebay.com/itm/HM-Digital-EC-3-Conductivity-Tester-Meter-w-Case-NEW-/230421836851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a6363433

When buying a meter go for the EC meters because PPM differs between nutes. EC is what they use to figure out the PPM/TDS readings. The first one I listed does EC and TDS in all conversions.. If you need help once you pick it up just shout at me. It was a little confusing at first lol..
i went with the second one as you said its better than nothing and I just had to buy a bunch of shit to get ready for round 2. thanks for the advice though. it should be here tomorrow
 

400aZip

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pics from after the lights went out. a little droopy from watering. in between the last 3 waterings, they were really thirsty and drooping because I wasnt here. thats the end of that and i think they'll be fine in the morning
 

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400aZip

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Jekyll obviously gets so much more light...I need a solution for this. i want it to be more even... CoolTube?
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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Jekyll obviously gets so much more light...I need a solution for this. i want it to be more even... CoolTube?
How big is your light again? Might just want to upgrade when the time comes "MORE LIGHT" :) Looking very nice though 400! Screen came out pretty good for not topping and first scrog attempt!
 

400aZip

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haha yeah yeah its been on my mind for sure. I just have the 250 now and would love a 400 but Im going to see what type of yield/smoke I get from this light alone before I do that. Thanks and I cant wait to build a better screen and see how round two goes. here are pictures from this morning100_0625.jpg100_0626.jpg100_0627.jpg100_0628.jpg100_0629.jpgmy canopy isnt exactly even but if I even it out and lower the light, Yum and Sour Kush will get alot less light than they are already getting. should I worry about training these taller colas?


but for the record, scrog is DEFINITELY where its at. :bongsmilie:
 

400aZip

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I think the next round will just be 1 tangerine dream and 1 blueberry so I should be able to train them right for the 250. here they are starting life today

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400aZip

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thanks for checking it out GDP. thats like my buddys favorite strain so im sure we'll be growing that soon lol. Ill be checking your thread out as well.


TD already sank. Im going to go see if I can find some coco locally and get these bitches going
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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Looks good, dont worry about the taller tops. Next time if you can train the taller tops towards the outside of the screen if your doing a strain that a little more stretchy. It looks really good though, you can push those 250's close too! I was running a 250 but just recently upgraded to a 6. If you want a little more light coverage for a decent price pick up a few cfl's for supplemental lighting if your temps can handle it :) Thats what I did with the 250.
 

zibra

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DUDE this is freakin nice...LOL...U R THE MAN....yeah get urself canna coco if u can, I'll promise u, you will be very happy. 10-20% more yield with coco:clap:
 

400aZip

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coming from you that means a lot lol. are you talking about the nutes or specifically Canna's coco?

here are some pics i just took at lights out. I hate the way the HPS makes them look so I'll probably be taking the majority of my pictures from here on out like so

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Yum
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Jekyll
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SK
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a couple close ups of some Jekyll colas
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