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[cvbud]

4000w room
day temp 78
night temp 69
humidity 30-50%
soil happy frog
pot size 10 gallon
water schdl every two days till water seeps out bottom. 6.7 ph
nutes snow storm and gravity starting in weeks 4 and 5
Strains Sensi Seeds White Widow Feminized and a friends clone of AK-47, origin unknown.

The problems seems to be early stages of Mag and Pot deficiencies which is usually easily correctable. But this go around i have noticed a gnarly claw shape in my fan leaves usually on the center buds of the plant. growth has almost stopped on the White Widows and the AK seems to be fine.
i feel like there is lots of info that can be useful that i am forgetting, but maybe you guys can help me narrow this down.
my biggest concern is the new plants in flower, around week 3. The White Widow started with the curl and the AK is doing just fine. What is weird about this is that the White widow in the veg started to do the same thing. everything has been fine up until the last three days. Follow the pictures and the captions i provide. it will tell the story, and i threw in a few bud porn and room porn pics.

Here is a pic of the condition happening to the White Widow in Week 3 of White Widow. This has happened in the last 3 days


Same White widow


This is the White Widow in Veg. 6 Weeks of veg, 3 weeks in the ezcloner


this is the same WW in veg


Veg WW


Veg WW


Any Ideas?


this is a pic of a WW after 6 weeks in flower and never recovered from an unknown illness.


this is a nice AK


the butter room

 

[cannabineer]

I hesitate to post because I am not the most experienced grower. However I have a White Widow (admittedly mine is a Nirvana) going, and it's been a learning experience for me!
Also from browsing the grows of others, here is what I've learned about The Claw.
It's usually a sign of too much N ... more than the plant wants but not quite enough to cause nute burn.
Also plants in week 2 of flower (give or take) are prone to the Claw as their N demend goes down but some growers don't adjust the feed ratio in time.
I would reduce N supplementation and allow the plant to digest what it has.

I also think you're seeing a strain difference ... AK is a big happy nute slut whereas WW is a finicky eater.
Otherwise ... they are truly beautiful plants, and I would be proud. cn

 

[cvbud]

I add zero nutes during the entire cycle, but i use happy frog soil which has a full spectrum base to it. from what your saying, it sounds to me like maybe i should go soiless with the WW and be more careful with its feeding cycles. What doesnt make sense to me is the odd behavior of the veg plant. did you get a chance to see the veg pics? the WW veg plants are spazing while the AK is not.

thanks for you response

 

[cannabineer]

I add zero nutes during the entire cycle, but i use happy frog soil which has a full spectrum base to it. from what your saying, it sounds to me like maybe i should go soiless with the WW and be more careful with its feeding cycles. What doesnt make sense to me is the odd behavior of the veg plant. did you get a chance to see the veg pics? the WW veg plants are spazing while the AK is not.

thanks for you response

My Nirvana WW, also in Happy Frog, is doing the same sort of "Balinese dance" with her new leaves. I figure it's not a problem so much as a characteristic. Interestingly, mine (I am days away from switching to 12/12) has recently shown signs of N appetite, and I have supplemented her feed water with AN 3-part "intermediate veg" strength mix, which comes out to ppm in the 700s. So far so good ... am waiting for the green to get dark again. WWs seem to be somewhat finicky plants! cn

 

[cvbud]

My Nirvana WW, also in Happy Frog, is doing the same sort of "Balinese dance" with her new leaves. I figure it's not a problem so much as a characteristic. Interestingly, mine (I am days away from switching to 12/12) has recently shown signs of N appetite, and I have supplemented her feed water with AN 3-part "intermediate veg" strength mix, which comes out to ppm in the 700s. So far so good ... am waiting for the green to get dark again. WWs seem to be somewhat finicky plants! cn

we should follow each other, i am going to be putting two more plants into flower on saterday. one more AK and one more WW. i will go add a little N and see if i cant get them to shape up a little before the go into the flower room. im currently supplying my room every three weeks with two plants for a three week perpetual grow. 3 weeks in ez-cloner, 6 weeks in veg, and 8-9 weeks in flower. thanks again for your help. as far as the flower plants go, im going to flush the WW real well and add some Potassium and see if i can get some recovery.

 

[cannabineer]

Just for fun I took pics of my Widow's tops ...
the effect doesn't seem to show well in these pics, but when I saw yours I nodded at once ... yup. cn

 

[cvbud]

Just for fun I took pics of my Widow's tops ...
the effect doesn't seem to show well in these pics, but when I saw yours I nodded at once ... yup. cn

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that is spot on with what i see in the veg. well lets hope a flush and some PK in the flower room will help fix the flowering WW and i hope to have this fixed before it becomes a problem when this hot little moma enters the 12/12.
wish i could rep more, you have been a huge help.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

In the ez cloner do you use any kind nutrient solution like power clone? just plain water works well as long as you have the rite temps. water alone causes the roots to grow faster looking for nutrients the plants tend to get a little yellow but as long as you feed it after you get roots it will green up. clone solution will make them twist. I have noticed when plants get a little dry or too wet they get the claw. One more if the dark cycle get messed up it can do strange things like that including kill the plants all togeather.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Makes me wonder because I have ak and ww also. my ak is soilless and not growing good ww is still small. How many weeks does that ww have in the pic 2?

 

[cvbud]

In the ez cloner do you use any kind nutrient solution like power clone? just plain water works well as long as you have the rite temps. water alone causes the roots to grow faster looking for nutrients the plants tend to get a little yellow but as long as you feed it after you get roots it will green up. clone solution will make them twist. I have noticed when plants get a little dry or too wet they get the claw. One more if the dark cycle get messed up it can do strange things like that including kill the plants all togeather.

I use straight water with the ez-cloner. sometimes i add a very small amount of clone-x after 2 weeks and the plants really purk up. The plants in veg have seemed to correct themselves and they look great, i watered last night and today they are about 2 inches taller and looking great. i think i was over reacting a little on the veg plants.
my flower room is as black as can be with the exception of the LED display on the new slit unit AC i installed. its very bright and i didnt cover it up for a while? would it have the potential to distract the plants sleepy time?

• Makes me wonder because I have ak and ww also. my ak is soilless and not growing good ww is still small. How many weeks does that ww have in the pic 2?​

  
  
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the WW will hit 3 weeks on SAT. i dont use soiless because i have had great experience with happy frog soil and using no additional nutes with the exception of snow storm and gravity for crystal development and density encouragement. but my experience is that both of these plants begin budding very quickly and the are ready for harvest in 55 days if all goes well. when i was in smaller buckets i had to add nutes early because they both are very thirsty plants, especially with magnesium. i think because they use so much nutrients to begin with, that they deplete the MAG quickly. and you will see MAG deficiencies early. like in weeks 2 and three. but when i went to larger buckets, that seem to stop. otherwise i would start adding mild nutes in veg cause they say mag deficiencies begin 2 to 3 weeks before you see definitive signs.

Thanks for spending sometime looking into my issues, your help is greatly appreciated.

CV

 

[ismokealotofpot]

years ago I made the mistake of moving a flowering plant to a different location. I set up a timer backwards. instead of 13 hours of dark and 11 day I had 13 hours of day and 11 dark oops. That's what I get for drinking I noticed it two days later and changed it they dried up and died. That fox farm stuff is always burning people I got burned by the nutrients. my guess would be as you water it lets out more nutrients so you can try to cover the soil to hold in moisture that way you water less. less watering = less leaching.. you dig?

 

[ismokealotofpot]

could use a little calmag i guess its not real bad. If the ac light looks bright to you then cover it. I have a green led on my dehumidifier that changes red when its full I just put duct tape over it. Looks like a nice grow. I hope my ak looks that good Ive been fighting to keep it alive since I got it. I think its just week genetics.

 

[cvbud]

years ago I made the mistake of moving a flowering plant to a different location. I set up a timer backwards. instead of 13 hours of dark and 11 day I had 13 hours of day and 11 dark oops. That's what I get for drinking I noticed it two days later and changed it they dried up and died. That fox farm stuff is always burning people I got burned by the nutrients. my guess would be as you water it lets out more nutrients so you can try to cover the soil to hold in moisture that way you water less. less watering = less leaching.. you dig?

interesting. so....today i was at the grow store and was talking with the owner about the grow bags for pots rather than plastic pots. and he was saying that more oxygen gets to the roots and they stay helthier. he also said the added oxygen made them dry out faster. if this is true, and what your saying is true, than these pots would potentially make it very hard for you to grow because you are needing to water so often and may be over feeding your plants?
anyway, i just burned one, so if that doesnt make sense, my bad.
currently they needed watering every two days. i usually water till its seeping out the bottom. they plants in flower where givin three weeks of cloner, 3 weeks of veg, and sit in 3 gallon pots.

 

[cvbud]

could use a little calmag i guess its not real bad. If the ac light looks bright to you then cover it. I have a green led on my dehumidifier that changes red when its full I just put duct tape over it. Looks like a nice grow. I hope my ak looks that good Ive been fighting to keep it alive since I got it. I think its just week genetics.

if it doenst work out, its worth finding good AK genetics. its a really fun strain to grow. Its forgiving, it flowers fast, and the buds get huge. Its been the largest producer ive ever grown. out of maybe ten different strains ive tried.

 

[cvbud]

Flower Room WW

3 weeks into flower

happy frog soil, 3 gallon pots

what does this look like?

 

[cvbud]

Veg plant

3 weeks in cloner

6 weeks on Saturday of veg time at 24hrs of light

3 gallon pots, tomorrow the plants will be transplanted into 10 gallon pots, and on Saturday 2 of these will go into 12/12

not really sure why my plants stretch so much, but they always have. very few have stayed close and tight.

whats going on with those tips?


spindly veg plants

 

[cvbud]

bump, any ideas on my last two posts? they are much better pictures of whats really going on with the plants. im mostly concerned about the flowering plant. I added some cal mag and some potassium and it seems to be perking the plants up just a tad, but im not sold. i think there is more going on than i am aware of. check out the leaves on the WW in flower. burning, curling. all kinds of poopyness.

thanks