Vertical Flooded Tube v 3.0

mellokitty said:
looking good, snow! gotta hand it to you, i'm always impressed by your constant dialling in for perfection. big +1
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Thanks mellokitty, I appreciate it. I love it, pushing for every possible gram and trying my best not to sacrifice any quality either. I would really REALLY like to hit the 2 grams per watt mark at some point. Haven't technically hit 1GPW yet, haha... but I'm pretty sure this one will hit that number pretty easily. I'm just basing my goals on what I read once by Heath Robinson, where he said many of his vertical grows were capable of 2GPW. If I can hit that number, maybe a dispensary will hire me on salary, haha.
 
looking good wish I could put that setup n my basement lol. Gonna start building my new setup tomorrow. Couple questions what size pipe, pot size and what are you doing to change water and making it easy on you. Thats ones thing I hated was changing water and nutes on my last setup it was a pain. Really like the clone and veg setup how are you running the water to the veg sites? Sorry for all the questions but want to do things right this time and not waste tons of money and labor like I did last time lol
 
hydrolife said:
looking good wish I could put that setup n my basement lol. Gonna start building my new setup tomorrow. Couple questions what size pipe, pot size and what are you doing to change water and making it easy on you. Thats ones thing I hated was changing water and nutes on my last setup it was a pain. Really like the clone and veg setup how are you running the water to the veg sites? Sorry for all the questions but want to do things right this time and not waste tons of money and labor like I did last time lol
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Hey thanks hydrolife. I'm using 4" triple wall sewage pipe. It's really similar to schedule 35 PVC except it has a black rubber liner on the inside which conveniently blocks out light. PVC will work too, you just need to cover it. I would use reflective material from your hydro shop or if that's not available, use reflective tape. I'm using 3" net cups for each site filled with hydroton. To make the nutrient changing process easier, I lifted my reservoir a few inches off the ground and put a drain at the bottom of the front of the reservoir with a valve attached. Then I just drain the nutrients out through a hose about once a week. If you can put the drain on the very bottom of the reservoir, it would drain even better.

For the veg table, you can see in first pic a smaller tube coming up out of the nutrients. This is attached to an 800gph pump which goes to the other side, through a manifold which distributes it to all four tubes, and then it floods back to the reservoir. You can see the black, flexible 1/2" tubing that goes into the closest tube in the second picture. It works the same way the flowering structure does, by recirculating oxygenated nutrient solution constantly over the roots. Hope that helps!
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No snow where I'm at. :( I guess big bear got some, but I'm not actually in big bear... shh don't tell anyone. I was expecting it though so everything's all cleaned up and ready for the winter outside.
 
thanks snow I appreciate it a lot. Got my room all cleaned out today and ready to build. Just trying to figure out what size i should make this thing. Thought about doing just 2 levels but not sure if that will give me enough sites. Have a nice little corner picked out in my room for it then the other side will be sectioned off for clones and veg
 
jigfresh said:
No snow where I'm at. :( I guess big bear got some, but I'm not actually in big bear... shh don't tell anyone. I was expecting it though so everything's all cleaned up and ready for the winter outside.
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I'd like to check out big bear this year maybe, what's it like? Good park? Good freeriding? Im near summit county, so keystone, breckenridge, vail area. We had a record season last year, but nothing so far this year.

hydrolife said:
thanks snow I appreciate it a lot. Got my room all cleaned out today and ready to build. Just trying to figure out what size i should make this thing. Thought about doing just 2 levels but not sure if that will give me enough sites. Have a nice little corner picked out in my room for it then the other side will be sectioned off for clones and veg
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No worries. I've read that 600's are the most efficient to use in a vert setup. For max efficiency, plan your canopy out so that you'll be getting around 20-25w per square foot, from my experience anyway. So 1 600w bulb, think maybe 25-30 square feet and try and space the plants about 2-3 max from the bulb. You could do this with 1, 2, 3, or even 4 levels depending on the size of your plants. Also remember that the bigger the plant, the larger the rootmass. You won't want to veg a plant for more than 3-4 weeks and put it into 4" tubes. Hope that helps.
 
Snow have another question for you. I have the flooded tube all done. I put some clones in it last night but was finding it hard to get the roots threw the net pot to hang low enough to get the water flowing over them. Anyways what is the trick here my ladies are not looking happy needless to say this morning. Hope you can give me some quick advice
 
snowgrow19 said:
No worries. I've read that 600's are the most efficient to use in a vert setup. For max efficiency, plan your canopy out so that you'll be getting around 20-25w per square foot, from my experience anyway. So 1 600w bulb, think maybe 25-30 square feet and try and space the plants about 2-3 max from the bulb. .
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Room looks good. Pure power plants a great strain, I used to have a indica dom phenotype that was super frosty and a good yielder. Did you get seeds from nirvana?
As for the lights, 600's are great, but I def wouldnt keep my tubes 3' from the light. 2 would be a lot better.

Great room, keep it up.
 
snowgrow19 said:
I'd like to check out big bear this year maybe, what's it like? Good park? Good freeriding? Im near summit county, so keystone, breckenridge, vail area. We had a record season last year, but nothing so far this year.
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Dont come to cali for bear. save up some cash and hit mammoth and june. you just have to give up your first born for a ticket to mammoth. the road to bear is enough to ruin your trip. a whole bunch of socal flatlanders(the worst kind) and a road with bends and turns is a bad equation, throw ice/snow into the mix and your safer smoking crack. IMO.
 
I love your veg area! Mine is closer to Heaths veg setup, but I think I lose a few days when they are adjusting to the flooded tubes. I very may well build something like yours (thanks for sharing). I have hit 2.5 gpw with 600's so far, rest assured you will get there.
 
username474 said:
I love your veg area! Mine is closer to Heaths veg setup, but I think I lose a few days when they are adjusting to the flooded tubes. I very may well build something like yours (thanks for sharing). I have hit 2.5 gpw with 600's so far, rest assured you will get there.
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what strain did you pull weight like that off of?
 
snowgrow19 said:
Hey thanks hydrolife. I'm using 4" triple wall sewage pipe. It's really similar to schedule 35 PVC except it has a black rubber liner on the inside which conveniently blocks out light. PVC will work too, you just need to cover it. I would use reflective material from your hydro shop or if that's not available, use reflective tape. I'm using 3" net cups for each site filled with hydroton. To make the nutrient changing process easier, I lifted my reservoir a few inches off the ground and put a drain at the bottom of the front of the reservoir with a valve attached. Then I just drain the nutrients out through a hose about once a week. If you can put the drain on the very bottom of the reservoir, it would drain even better.

For the veg table, you can see in first pic a smaller tube coming up out of the nutrients. This is attached to an 800gph pump which goes to the other side, through a manifold which distributes it to all four tubes, and then it floods back to the reservoir. You can see the black, flexible 1/2" tubing that goes into the closest tube in the second picture. It works the same way the flowering structure does, by recirculating oxygenated nutrient solution constantly over the roots. Hope that helps!
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Really neat setup, whats the total amount spent?
 
Do you run your clone area as a flooded tube, ebb and flow or some other variation? Also, do you lose or shock your clones when you transplant right in to the vert? TY
 
So here's my take on GPW. If you are growing a heavy yielding strain, then it sounds good. If you are growing a low yielding strain then it never sounds as good as the other guy. I have grown mostly OG strains in my setups, and never got above .5 grams per watt. But the quality of the buds is top top top shelf, and I've never had anything but great comments from true conisuers(sp?). I've seen guys pulling 1+ gpw, and smoked their stuff...hasn't been anything to write home about. Its not to say that all good yielding strains are lesser quality, but I have yet to see one that I would grow. DOG might be that winner but I'm still in flower with that strain. Then you have to take into consideration the water in the cured buds. I dry my buds OUT, some people like their stuff a little moist. That makes a big difference in the end weight. So take your gpw and improve on it, but don't look at other guys gpw values, cuz there are way too many things that affect it to say "I'm not happy until I hit X gpw"
 
With a vertical set up it is not about having a heavy yielding strain vs. connoisseur strain. It is more about the structure of the plant. Any plant that produces heavy colas with smaller fan leaves and minimal side branching is going to do well in a vertical set up and capable of hitting 2gpw in my opinion. It's all about getting 80+ plants close to a 600 watt light.
 
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