Root problem AGAIN? *PICS*

[bwinn27]

Intersting bwinn...I have been considering this as a variable lately as well. I have always used my well water, which has a default of 10 ppm. The reason I have not considered the water a problem until now is because it (the water) has worked for me very well in the past...several times. So you just put a bucket aside with proper amount of h2o and let chlorine dissipate? Does chlorine remover have any adverse effects on plants or add ppm etc? Not sure if it is a factor for me, but I would love to eliminate it as one.

Good news is the roots appear to be partially recovering themselves after a few minor changes. The problem is that the new roots appear to be be burning the root tips just like the previous pics. (roots r from same plant). Now I believe that overwatering has become an issue beacuse my damn timer broke... I have one of those expensive $100 CAP 4-1 timers. Neways sometimes it decides to go thru its on cycle 2-6 times instead of once...ugg..hopefully a series of miracles will occur that keep the timer on a descent schedule. Ordering a new one this week.

i havent seen any effects caused by the clorine remover other then healthy plants lol check out my journal when you can. but even when i use it i still let it sit out for 24 hours. you might have hard water. im also growing in soil

 

[gvega187]

i havent seen any effects caused by the clorine remover other then healthy plants lol check out my journal when you can. but even when i use it i still let it sit out for 24 hours. you might have hard water. im also growing in soil

ok thanks for the thoughts chief. U know mebe your right about the hard water. I thought water had to be over 70ppm out of the tap to be hard, but I think I have proved to be an exception. Ill look into the correct nutes next time i reach the store...

 

[blonddie07]

I havnt read all the replies.. but i can tell you this, that your problem is LIGHT... Light is getting into or through ur lid or res..

Goodluck..

 

[gvega187]

I havnt read all the replies.. but i can tell you this, that your problem is LIGHT... Light is getting into or through ur lid or res..

Goodluck..

yarg, since starting this thread I have sprayed the outside with "plasti-dip" A black rubber spray paint. The top is covered with mylar. This eliminates the possibility of algal growth, leading to root rot.

I noted in a previous reply that I have had this problem in 3 different hydro/aeroponic systems. One of those systems was 100% light proof. It is for this reason that I am hoping my problem was low temperatures and over watering. I am also considering the fact that my water is hard as well. Are there any adverse effects of using hard water nutrients if you don't have hard water? I am planning on using them just in case my water is hard even though it only has 10ppm.

 

[bwinn27]

yarg, since starting this thread I have sprayed the outside with "plasti-dip" A black rubber spray paint. The top is covered with mylar. This eliminates the possibility of algal growth, leading to root rot.

I noted in a previous reply that I have had this problem in 3 different hydro/aeroponic systems. One of those systems was 100% light proof. It is for this reason that I am hoping my problem was low temperatures and over watering. I am also considering the fact that my water is hard as well. Are there any adverse effects of using hard water nutrients if you don't have hard water? I am planning on using them just in case my water is hard even though it only has 10ppm.

i would by the clorine remover before you use hard water nutrients just to be safe. heres what type of clorine remover i use.

 

[gvega187]

cool beans, but is it possible for well water to have chlorine in it? I guess its worth a go either way...

 

[gvega187]

I am now wondering when to let the bottom of the roots hang in the water below. I am new to drip systems and I think now might be a good time to do so. They are looking less healthy than previous days, but conditions are the same.

 

[bwinn27]

it has to be the water its the only thing it could be have you tryed the clorine remover? and if that dont work advanced nutrients makes stuff just for well water. heres the link it will take you right to the stuff. Advanced Nutrients Micro Well Water - Advanced Nutrients Base Nutrients
hope this helps and cant wate to see what the problem is.

 

[vertise]

you got any pics of what your setups looks likenow. I to would say light but i know you have already addressed that problem. Light makes roots turn brown and somewhat hard.

 

[bwinn27]

i bet its the water

 

[vertise]

i mean i maybe shouldnt comment cause i know nothing about hydroponics, i have only gone with soil but roots are roots. I could def be wrong, but if i saw the same problem in soil i would def stand by my light comment.

 

[gvega187]

it has to be the water its the only thing it could be have you tryed the clorine remover? and if that dont work advanced nutrients makes stuff just for well water. heres the link it will take you right to the stuff. Advanced Nutrients Micro Well Water - Advanced Nutrients Base Nutrients
hope this helps and cant wate to see what the problem is.

lol, thanks so much for replying consistently bwinn. I am also VERY eager to determine the cause of such a widespread disaster for me. I will be flushing this evening and adding the chlorine remover. Hopefully my roots will continue to stay over 90% pure white this week Normally this is about when they tend to turn brown, get root rot, completely burn off and or turn into a slimy mass.

I cant imagine that my well water is so uber hard that I need a hard water nute. After all it only has 10ppms of what not per 3 gal. of water. Anyone contest this statement....please?

If these 3 plants I have in the drip system die...i will definitely look into the hard water nutes.

 

[bwinn27]

lol, thanks so much for replying consistently bwinn. I am also VERY eager to determine the cause of such a widespread disaster for me. I will be flushing this evening and adding the chlorine remover. Hopefully my roots will continue to stay over 90% pure white this week Normally this is about when they tend to turn brown, get root rot, completely burn off and or turn into a slimy mass.

I cant imagine that my well water is so uber hard that I need a hard water nute. After all it only has 10ppms of what not per 3 gal. of water. Anyone contest this statement....please?

If these 3 plants I have in the drip system die...i will definitely look into the hard water nutes.

can you post some pic's of your setup when you get a chance? and no problem i just wana see those plants get better.

 

[DND]

gvega187... I'm not trying to be a prick or anything and I'm glad that your roots have recovered so far. I will extend my advice once again and say this, if you do not spray paint that tub black (flat preferably) I can almost guarantee that your problem will come right back once the roots start growing into the water. It doesnt even have to be black, use any color that you want as long as afterwards the tub is opaque. The only other thing I would suggest is to clean out some 20oz soda bottles and fill them 3/4 full and freeze. These can be used when you feel the rez temps are high which aid to faster alge growth.

I'm not speaking blindly on this subject. I had the exact same problem around 2 weeks ago with my plant in a 10gl gray dwc rubbermaid. Once I spray painted my tub flat black and changed the rez, the problem disappeared completely. Keep in mind my water is very hard around 330ppm with a ph of 7.1 and so much chlorine that it smells like swimming pool water (not shitting you). I don't drink it btw. I thought this was my issue along with the rez temps, but I went and bought RO water, did a rez change and made sure my rez stayed at 64 degrees or below, didn't make a bit of difference because the alge and slime was back overnight.

You are free to do as you wish, but I do believe this will solve you problems for good.

 

[gvega187]

gvega187... I'm not trying to be a prick or anything and I'm glad that your roots have recovered so far. I will extend my advice once again and say this, if you do not spray paint that tub black (flat preferably) I can almost guarantee that your problem will come right back once the roots start growing into the water. It doesnt even have to be black, use any color that you want as long as afterwards the tub is opaque. The only other thing I would suggest is to clean out some 20oz soda bottles and fill them 3/4 full and freeze. These can be used when you feel the rez temps are high which aid to faster alge growth.

I'm not speaking blindly on this subject. I had the exact same problem around 2 weeks ago with my plant in a 10gl gray dwc rubbermaid. Once I spray painted my tub flat black and changed the rez, the problem disappeared completely. Keep in mind my water is very hard around 330ppm with a ph of 7.1 and so much chlorine that it smells like swimming pool water (not shitting you). I don't drink it btw. I thought this was my issue along with the rez temps, but I went and bought RO water, did a rez change and made sure my rez stayed at 64 degrees or below, didn't make a bit of difference because the alge and slime was back overnight.

You are free to do as you wish, but I do believe this will solve you problems for good.

hey, thanks for being patient with me DND, and I appreciate your advice as well. I also realize that his thread is getting a bit lengthy to keep up with, but note on the 2nd or 3rd page I had completed a spray down of the dwc tub. It is covered in a "rubber spray paint" that is flat black. Since then I have flushed twice in order to eliminate algal growth problems. Above is a 400w teklight

Here are some pictures today of the roots:

They are still growing vigorously, but are fading a bit to brown as seen.

 

[vertise]

what about the top of the bin. got to spray that down.

 

[vertise]

also simple way to test is just get a flash light and look on the inside as you shine it against the outside. Put the flashlight right next to the bin. Light goes through give her another coat. but the top doesnt look as though you painted it.

 

[Florida Girl]

Now I believe that overwatering has become an issue beacuse my damn timer broke... I have one of those expensive $100 CAP 4-1 timers. Neways sometimes it decides to go thru its on cycle 2-6 times instead of once...

I have no help to offer... only a stupid question to ask. Why do you have your water on a timer? I'm planning on starting a bubble system myself and I didn't know the water had to be on a timer. I thought I was just suppose to turn on the water pump and let it continuously flow into the net pots.... Do I have it wrong?

 

[gvega187]

well currently there are about 3 layers of mylar on every sq. inch of the top. I couldn't quite remove the top for spraying as I can not remove the plant sites from the top piece. I am sure that no light penetrates the top. In any case I have flushed about every other day for the past week now for various reasons. I am also changing out the res again tonite with 100% goodness water to ensure that its not the chlorine as mr. bwinn as suggested.

 

[vertise]

hope it works out for ya. like the avatar.