Yellowing embryotic leaves...

[Quitekeen]

Hey all. So heres my concern. It has been 6 days now since my little baby broke ground. I am sure i have enough light because the stem is short and nice and sturdy. But the embryotic (sp?) leaves as you can see from pics areturning yellow. Also leaf growth seems slow. And the edges of the leaves are light green/yellow too. I havent used any nutes yet and it is planted in a high quality local potting mix which has good drainage. Any suggestions?

 

[massah]

whats the PH of that soil? Whats your humidity at? Did you just water that? Because it looks wet as hell and doesn't look like it has good drainage...Whats the temperature at that you've got this seedling in? Are you sitting it right on a cold floor? etc etc...give us all the details

 

[WeedChip]

Mine did that in soil that looked like that. Well they went green didn't point up like that, where's the light?

What kind of soil is it? You need some nice soil for those new roots to establish easily.

 

[Quitekeen]

PH is right around 6.8 yes it was watered like 30 mins prior to taking this pic, floor isnt cold I took it out and got it in natural light for those pics. When I water it drains almost right through, the reason it looks wet still I think is because there is sphagnum moss in the potting soil for water retention. I guess, it seems like it drains well, I have a moderate experience with potted plants (I keep bonsai japanese maple trees), so by those standards the drainage is good but perhaps not by cannabis standards. Temp is at like 80 degrees F. Luckily this is just bag seed as practise for when my order arrives... oh yes I am using 6x 26 watt 5000k cfls in a very small box made out of flat white shelves 2' wide x 8" deep x 1' high. Cheers for the quick response +rep for you!

 

[Quitekeen]

Mine did that in soil that looked like that. Well they went green didn't point up like that, where's the light?

What kind of soil is it? You need some nice soil for those new roots to establish easily.

Soil is a mix from a local nursery, it has mycho-something (the root growth fungus) sphagnum moss, compost, perlite and dolomite. Supposed to be close to neutral ph lights are about 2-3 inches from foliage.

 

[massah]

doesn't appear like you are fucking it too badly from what you say...something is going wrong for it to look this way...were the seeds a bright white and small or were they a brown and large?

the lights are a bit out of spectrum, but it shouldn't cause this big of an issue...so the PH of your soil is 6.8 or the PH of your water is 6.8? Whats the PH of your runoff? I think all these years dealing with bonsai trees is having an effect on you lol...because thats a little plant...and its staying little...nothing really sticks out as a "problem" for a seedling unless its a fucked set of seeds or we are missing some piece of info...*shrug* anyone else?

 

[Quitekeen]

I am on well water so that could be the issue. I am out of litmus. The seed was plump, brown and had black stripes on it, like I said it was bag seed so I cant speak in any way for the genetics. I know I should be going with 6500k spectrum and I will as soon as my paycheck (and my proper seed order) roll in. I cant think of any info I am not providing, it germinated really quickly, broke ground within 36 hours of being planted. funny how with maple trees you have to work really hard to keep them small, but this little bugger is doing all that for me!

 

[asdewqasdfgh]

well water is actually better than most tap water because it does not contain chlorine. how often do you water it? one good watering after you planted it should have lasted for a few days. its odd how the stem is so short. i would let the soil dry out on the top and about an inch under the top soil and see if it starts to shoot up. at this stage in germination nutrient deficiencies usually dont occur but over watering is a big issue.

EDIT: also it seems that you have no perlite in your soil which would cause water not to drain. is that dirt soil because it looks like a bunch of wood chips?

 

[Quitekeen]

cool, I will just leave it alone under 24hours light and see what happens.

 

[massah]

bagseed is fine man...especially if its from a good bag...people stress too much about getting the latest and greatest seeds, when they probably have something pretty good in that last high dollar bag you bought...the seed sounds mature and should be perfectly fine...

 

[Quitekeen]

cool, I think I just need to be patient, I am going to not water it for a few days and just watch

 

[massah]

well water is actually better than most tap water because it does not contain chlorine. how often do you water it? one good watering after you planted it should have lasted for a few days. its odd how the stem is so short. i would let the soil dry out on the top and about an inch under the top soil and see if it starts to shoot up. at this stage in germination nutrient deficiencies usually dont occur but over watering is a big issue.

EDIT: also it seems that you have no perlite in your soil which would cause water not to drain. is that dirt soil because it looks like a bunch of wood chips?

Well water is pretty fucked up without proper filtration...and even then it can still be way off PH wise...you must live in the city don't you? Yeah city tap water blows...usually full of chemicals and lots of shit...water out in the country is usually much better...mine is only 90-100 ppm...and you just let it sit out for 24hrs to get rid of the chlorine...

Get one of those pool PH test kits...fuck paper...and yeah don't water it daily unless your soil severely dries out in 1 day...when you lift the cup you should be able to notice the difference between wet soil and dry soil

 

[Quitekeen]

will do and thank you for the info, I think when I try the next run I will head down to the hydro store in Seattle and get some "proper" soil, would you advise using bottled water (obviously multiple gallon bottles) to cut down on the variables having a potentially negative effect?

 

[massah]

will do and thank you for the info, I think when I try the next run I will head down to the hydro store in Seattle and get some "proper" soil, would you advise using bottled water (obviously multiple gallon bottles) to cut down on the variables having a potentially negative effect?

if you are not going to be doing alot of growing hell just buy a brita filter and stick it on your faucet and just check the PH on it every now and again...soil is soil...i use cheap ass potting soil+extra perlite and having great results

 

[AWnox]

will do and thank you for the info, I think when I try the next run I will head down to the hydro store in Seattle and get some "proper" soil, would you advise using bottled water (obviously multiple gallon bottles) to cut down on the variables having a potentially negative effect?

The Main areas are always the main elements in life:

-Light
-Growing medium
-Water
-Ventilation/Oxygen

Keep these 4 in check and everything else in between get's alot easier to control. Seems to me that your problem if it's not nutrient related (or the lack of) it has to be your growing medium and it's condition (IMO I believe that for that to be the water's fault you have to have the shittiest water in the world and only drastic pH changes have noticeable affects on the plant so unless your medium went from pH 5.5 to 7.5 in less than a day then it's not that). If you can confirm that it is the medium then I would highly recommend (as bad and hurtful as it sounds) to trash that grow and start again bro because if it is the medium you will continue to have this problem throughout your grow. Hope it helps man. Good luck.

EDITED.: Also could be what our friend massah was implying; the seed was defective from the start and if so I would recommend the same course of action. Start over.

 

[frmrboi]

I am using 6x 26 watt 5000k cfls in a very small box made out of flat white shelves 2' wide x 8" deep x 1' high. !

those lights are no good and your box is probably overheating too.

 

[matthebrute]

cool, I think I just need to be patient, I am going to not water it for a few days and just watch

thats what i was going to suggest, maybe let them dry out good and see what happens. if the roots have ample water where they are at they wont search for water.

gl man

 

[Quitekeen]

so I ended the bagseed experiment and learned the following:-

- the box was in fact over heating
- yes I have too low a temp light setup (but the overheating was worse imo)
- the roots were quite well developed and the re were no signs of drying out, fungus or any other problem.

Thank you for your input I have started four of my white widows in a different setup to take them from germination through to veg stage.

 

[azryda420]

those lights are no good and your box is probably overheating too.

Dude you whip this chart out a lot. But its tru everytime! lol

I've never seen seedlings get yellow like that unless they're grown inside and given tooo much water.

It took me a while. Plants like dampness. Not wetness.

 

[frmrboi]

Dude you whip this chart out a lot. But its tru everytime! lol.

yeah it's true, the most important thing I ever downloaded.
NOTHING is more important than your light source.