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mrflamboynt

mrflamboynt

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Hey TB.... was wondering if you could specify internal depth of the deck box/root chamber, from inside of lid to the floor?

good stuff by the way, hope they dont close the thread before you get all of the bugs worked out..... looking forward to a fine tuned formula. hopefully one that doesnt require an engineering degree.....
 
mrflamboynt

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sorry for the clutter, evidently im incapable of composing my thoughts into 1 post.... but i started thinking (the hardest thing i did all day) i also wanted to use the deck-box as a root-chamber. however, if you have 8 plants in the lid, it could be a pain to lift the lid high enough to inspect the roots, or even if you needed to get in there to adjust something, especially once those plants are big, and/or have a screen not too far above the chamber thats full of foliage.... seems like a stationary lid with side panel access would be a less invasive method of accessing the root chamber, at all stages.
 
Trichy Bastard

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JACQO said:
hope evry1s setups coming on better than mine was raided sunday just gone :( all my bbys dead :( but yeah good luck evry 1 ..... my lil bbys dead i cant belive it :( feel like crying but at same time glade only got a caution under missuse act 1971 controlled drug class B.... pissed me off such a joke..... but yeah good luck evry1 i will let you now if i start again lol just gota move them fuckas ay keepin me down peace out evry1 for now lmfao...
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Aye, sorry JACQO... Really sucks man. Wish you all the better luck for the future... Be careful and glad it wasn't worse... I'm sure we'll be hearing from you again in the near future ;) ....
 
Trichy Bastard

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PetFlora said:
$8.50?! Hopefully that deters people from buying it, unless it is RAW milk.

Somehow I thought you were in Florida, sounds like Hawaii
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Yeah- Hawaii, and the worst part is raw milk is illegal here... I grew up on the stuff and agree it's alot healthier. I can't believe McDonald's is legal and raw milk isn't- it's just so wrong...
 
Trichy Bastard

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mrflamboynt said:
Hey TB.... was wondering if you could specify internal depth of the deck box/root chamber, from inside of lid to the floor?

good stuff by the way, hope they dont close the thread before you get all of the bugs worked out..... looking forward to a fine tuned formula. hopefully one that doesnt require an engineering degree.....
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I haven't measured it, but it's around 2.5 feet... Somewhere I listed the link, and it had all the measurements and internal volume. I still haven't figured out if this size is completley correct with my nozzles and number of them, but it looks like I'm getting coverage everywhere, and able to not overmist. I suppose once it's filled with roots everywhere, only then will I know if it was correct ;)

Why would this thread be closed? Or just that all aero threads like this seem to get messed up? My number one rule here is to not have drama, and just as important is hopefully to only document true proven info on the subject. I hope those being on the forefront of my mind will help get around some of the bumps in the road other aero threads have had... The good news is that already, all the links to what knowledge people need are here, so with a little determination and alot of reading- especially the other threads this one mentions, and anyone could make it work from what is here today... ;)
 
Trichy Bastard

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mrflamboynt said:
sorry for the clutter, evidently im incapable of composing my thoughts into 1 post.... but i started thinking (the hardest thing i did all day) i also wanted to use the deck-box as a root-chamber. however, if you have 8 plants in the lid, it could be a pain to lift the lid high enough to inspect the roots, or even if you needed to get in there to adjust something, especially once those plants are big, and/or have a screen not too far above the chamber thats full of foliage.... seems like a stationary lid with side panel access would be a less invasive method of accessing the root chamber, at all stages.
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No worries, I obviously do the same thing, haha... Anyway, I already know enough by now that by cutting a hole in the lid like I did and making it into a drop in access hole, will work perfectly. I left some pics back a few pages- just do what I did if nothing else. Originally I was going to place the door on the front, but I thought why have to bend over? It is true without a smaller door, you wouldn't be able to lift the lid and check once the roots have started climbing up the walls and what not.
 
mrflamboynt

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Trichy Bastard said:
I haven't measured it, but it's around 2.5 feet... Somewhere I listed the link, and it had all the measurements and internal volume.

Why would this thread be closed? Or just that all aero threads like this seem to get messed up?
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i do recall following the link to the deck box, but i cant recall if the 30" listed was external dimensions..... and i dont want to sift through the pages to find that post, or search the home depot website. ask my wife.... im a lazy mo-fo. (brings me to the next point)

also i have read a few other aero threads (none as useful as this one), and once they get so old, with so many posts, they (mods) say "ok 1000 posts, and/or a year later should be enough info for ya".... i dont want to sound like i am only interested in taking, and giving nothing, because that is not the case. however, i dont want the labor pains, i just want the baby..... a crappy way of dealing with a challenge i know. but that is why i use forums; to gain practical knowledge without needing to experience it myself.... yet a good portion of this thread is misc. chatter, like the price of milk (LOL), or an idea that didnt quite pan out, or a bunch of kudos, and other experienced users chiming in with their results so far (which is great, dont get me wrong).... things someone doesnt necessarily have to read to fully understand... i dont want to read 1000 posts, when it can be illustrated in 30..... the longer this thread gets, the more difficult it is to extract every last drop of knowledge. which negates the purpose of forums.

perhaps i've been spoiled, i dunno.... im accustomed to asking a question, and receiving an answer from "the mouth" of an engineer, irrefutable facts. like the fact that HPA method will feed microbes living on the roots, that the plant will actually consume these microbes.... i definitely would like to know more about that, however when i first look into it, i get lost in technical jargon (it gets pretty deep).... the worst part is i cant even figure out how/where i came across that info! the good info is so spread out over the web, i get lost easily.

ANYWAY, just as you stated in the first few paragraphs of your 1st post; need to sift out the old/erroneous and implement the "latest science" and knowledge. at this juncture this topic could benefit from a good consolidation of "new facts", pertaining to the most successful methods.
 
Trichy Bastard

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Fair points, and you're quite right. I suppose the time I spent waiting to have all the parts arrive and then to put them together sort of let the topic drift without focus for a while. Truth is, the first 20 pages of this thread contain the most knowledge/resources- and perhaps once I get the chamber dialed in, a new topic on running it could be in order. I actually enjoyed reading all the tons of aero threads, it was interesting to learn all of the stuff along with the people of that time. As mentioned before, this thread really started off as a culmination of some of the other classic ones, and they really deserve the credit. I'm here to learn and build something just like you, and hopefully help others and be helped by others along the way. If the goal is to gather as much info as fast as possible, then aero threads are all gonna be hard on you, because they always seem to get drawn out- lol... In between the nonsense posts, you'll notice I've been learning and reshaping my understanding of the topic along the way. I suppose that all gets reflected in the thread, and unfortunately isn't exactly a linear path without detours.
 
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Well - I'd all but forgotten about the cloudtops nozzles I had ordered prior to talking with tree farmer a couple weeks ago. They arrived in the mail recently and I'll try out each one and post some details and pics if I can capture the mist on camera in the next day or so. The test subject hasn't shown much growth, but seems stable. I had been forgetting the h202 or bleach in the nutes, and thought perhaps I should set the roots in some peroxide for a while. They bubbled a ton and I have a feeling they were starting to get root rot- so hopefully this might give them a new lease on life and I will have to remember to add a little to each batch of nutes. I have the mist down to about .4 sec every 3.5 minutes. The plant seems hydrated, although roots arent growing much at all- but if I was getting the rot, that would explain alot.
 
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mrflamboynt said:
ok..... if we could get someone with a greater mental capacity than myself, to look into root-microbe symbiosis, and maybe break it down for the lay-man (if possible)....

here you go https://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Root-Microbe+Symbiosis

i feel this subject needs further understanding as it pertains to true HPA, and the quest for the best quality product known to man :)

thanks
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Well, there seems to be alot of opinions on the subject, so I'll give mine. I believe that microbes are mainly to break down the organic nutrients into a form the plant can absorb. But if you use chemical nutes, they are already in the form most useable by the plant. I'd rather keep a sterile environment and use chemical nutes because of less variables, and less possibility of nozzle clogs. I doubt there is any tangeable difference to the plants, and therefore the same results, if not better due to better control can be achieved this way. I suppose I'd have to run a head to head challenge to be 100% sure, but that's my stance for now.
 
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Trichy Bastard said:
Well, there seems to be alot of opinions on the subject, so I'll give mine. I believe that microbes are mainly to break down the organic nutrients into a form the plant can absorb. But if you use chemical nutes, they are already in the form most useable by the plant. I'd rather keep a sterile environment and use chemical nutes because of less variables, and less possibility of nozzle clogs. I doubt there is any tangeable difference to the plants, and therefore the same results, if not better due to better control can be achieved this way. I suppose I'd have to run a head to head challenge to be 100% sure, but that's my stance for now.
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it seems i may have misunderstood the relationship between certain microbes, roots, and their environment..... the way you explained it makes sense....
 
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mrflamboynt said:
it seems i may have misunderstood the relationship between certain microbes, roots, and their environment..... the way you explained it makes sense....
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Yes, it's likely not exactly as simple as I just explained. I am sure the good microbes also colonize and smother out the bad ones sort of like how probiotics in your intestinal flora would work. But if you don't need the good guys, you can run low level chlorine or peroxide and keep them all away. Again, it gives you more control when you need it. If you were running organics, and had an issue with some sort of overgrowth of bad bacteria or whatever, you'd not be in a good position to add any bleach or peroxide because you'd disrupt the symbiosis with the good microbes and the plant would then suffer.
 
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