List of Reasons You Don't Believe In God.

spandy

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So there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Thats as much as a leap of faith as believing in God.
 

Heisenberg

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I realized I referred to a quote from the former president without supplying it.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
When pushed for an apology by American Athiests group, this was the response,

As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government.
So not being convinced of God, is not to be encouraged by the government. Can we infer then that being convinced of God should be encouraged by the government? I think we can if we add in the sentiment that non believers are not citizens or patriots.

This is why I think it is important to remind believers that their conclusions offer them no authority in matters of public policy, academics or serious debate.
 

Heisenberg

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So there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Thats as much as a leap of faith as believing in God.
Indeed it is, but you have just described an idiot, not an atheist. I suggest you take the time to understand what atheism actually means before you foolishly repeat straw men.
 

eye exaggerate

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Only if you suppose that atheism is making some sort of claim. How much debating do you see going on here as opposed to defense and clarification? Atheist do not have an idea to debate because they are not initiating statements that represent a state of the world, they are simply responding to them. Remove theists, and atheists have nothing to say.

Does that mean theists should not discuss their ideas and engage in inquiry? Of course not. I am speaking about people who have reached the conclusion, as all responsible minded people do, that belief in a deity must be made on a leap of faith. At that point, you can present your idea to others, but you can not seriously expect to bring it into a contemplative debate. After all, what do you have to say that means anything? You would only be wasting time reiterating the things that brought you to the conclusion of faith. This is why we do not hear serious debates about the existence of gremlins and genies. It does no good to hear someone say "I believe in God because I want to", or, "I believe in God because I do not understand how to consistently evaluate evidence". If that is enough justification for you, then fine, but do not expect others to lend any honest respect. This of course extends to decisions on public policy and serious academic instruction.

I say "you" for the sake of simplicity of course, not referring to anyone particular.
...that's fair. Thanks. I would like to assume that 'honest respect' comes first, followed by scrutiny... on both 'sides' of course.
 

spandy

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Foolishly huh, and you know this because you have died before? Dude, say it however you want, but fact is, is that you are on as much of a leap of faith as I am and neither of us will know until after we have died.

Lets hope for your sake you are right.
 

Heisenberg

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Foolishly huh, and you know this because you have died before? Dude, say it however you want, but fact is, is that you are on as much of a leap of faith as I am and neither of us will know until after we have died.

Lets hope for your sake you are right.
It is foolish because no one is saying "nothing came from nothing". For you to repeat some mindless blurb you read without applying even the slightest thought is indeed foolish. Do you really believe that anyone out there is saying "nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself"? You really think atheists believe in magic? Atheism is an answer to the question "Do you believe in God?", and the answer is no. Atheists make no statements about how life, or the universe, began. In fact, atheists make no claims what so ever. It doesn't take much effort to put some stupid words into someones mouth and then criticize them, meanwhile you make no effort to address what atheists actually say.

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”
― Sam Harris
 

BA142

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So there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Thats as much as a leap of faith as believing in God.
If you actually understood the science behind it then you wouldn't sound like a complete idiot right now. Nice argument straw man

Saying "Nothing came from nothing" makes you sound like one of those idiot christian fundamentalists that believe the world is 6000 years old

also,

[video=youtube;SSxgnu3Hww8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSxgnu3Hww8[/video]
 

spandy

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If you actually understood the science behind it then you wouldn't sound like a complete idiot right now. Nice argument straw man

Saying "Nothing came from nothing" makes you sound like one of those idiot christian fundamentalists that believe the world is 6000 years old
Dude, thats a fucking joke i posted stabbing at big bang theorists, get over it. i don't actually think they think that, nor do I. and I know that all atheist think is that God doesn't exist and thats it, they should of just been coined "non-believers" and only by believers only for the purpose of those who sought to divide the two groups for whatever reason (maybe they wanted to door knock and try to convert people, fuck who cares) and it left as informal as that, but hey you got your own word that defines you and you are in the dictionary so good for you I guess.

I'll keep my 7 minutes and 56 seconds. Dude I don't believe what you believe and wasting my time with your video isn't going to change that. This is all just for fun. I sure hope no one thought they were going to persuade anyones belief system in a pot growing forum. I've never converted an atheist thats for sure. Eh, fuck em, it's not my problem and never will be.
 

Hepheastus420

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Indeed it is, but you have just described an idiot, not an atheist. I suggest you take the time to understand what atheism actually means before you foolishly repeat straw men.
Ahah (lol), he never said he was describing an atheist....

He didn't foolishly describe atheists.
 

Hepheastus420

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There were never any Gods, they were all aliens. People say where did they go, they didnt go anywhere they are still here.
Of course of course.... I smoked one out yesterday, his green radioactive slime fucked up my couch though.

Oh, and he said he's had better weed, ungrateful bastard....
 

Hepheastus420

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He clearly understood the context, do you?
It was a joke heis, that's why I put ahah.

What he posted is one of those demotivational pictures about atheism.

I understand the whole situation (well not the whole situation, just from the part I jumped into).

He didn't say that atheists believe in the big bang, but we get what he's getting at.
So IMO, he's saying atheists believe in the big bang. Well that's something that has nothing to do with atheism. Atheists just lack belief in god, it doesn't mean they believe in the big bang theory. <<<< I know you already know this.

Do you understand my joke? Or was it just horrible?
My joke was that everyone assumed something that is very obvious but isn't flat out what said in his post. <<< this sentence doesn't really make sense lol.

But then again, what if he wasn't talking about atheists? Then his post would make sense. Maybe he didn't put the "-atheism" (the "-atheism" part is at the end of the picture after all the big bang stuff) in his post because he wasn't talking about atheists. Maybe he's just assuming that most of the atheists that post in the religious section on RIU believe the big bang theory was the beginning of life (you can't blame him for assuming that). So to get some people off their high horse (not you), he made a comparison of the similarities between religious beliefs and the big bang theory and that they both require a leap of faith.

Here's the picture I'm referring to....
 

sso

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yeah, sarcasm can be tricky to use on the internet lol.

i just find the idea of some allpowerful creator , just a really sucky one.

created by some being (that never comes for a proper visit)

just doesnt work for me.

plus the idea of god, really is illogical and spawns off too many questions.

and the idea of worship is just totally illogical, in real life, if anything wants you to worship it, you should run away or kill it.

i dont see the point of god.

i dont need some big mommy in the sky nor some strict father.

i dont need something to hold my hand and like i said, the idea of a creator, really spawns off, for now, too many unanswerable questions, so to really entertain the idea, is just a joke.

the idea of a creator, the creator would need a creator and the creator of the creator a creator, making the idea of a CREATOR, a joke.

it just doesnt work, on any level.

the only possible use i see for a "God" is sorta like Santa, a comfort for babies.
 

sso

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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]
The term atheism originated from the Greek &#7940;&#952;&#949;&#959;&#962; (atheos), meaning "without god", which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century.[7]
Atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence. Atheists have offered various rationales for not believing in any deity. These include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Other arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although some atheists have adopted secular philosophies,[8][9] there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[10]
In Western culture, some atheists are frequently assumed to be irreligious,[citation needed] although other atheists are spiritual.[11][12] Moreover, atheism also figures in certain religious and spiritual belief systems, such as Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Neopagan movements[13] such as Wicca.[14] Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods,[15] whereas Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but difficult to follow spiritually.[16]
Since conceptions of atheism vary, determining how many atheists exist in the world today is no easy task.[17] According to one estimate, about 2.3% of the world's population are atheists, while a further 11.9% are nonreligious.[18] According to another, rates of self-reported atheism are among the highest in Western nations, again to varying degrees: United States (4%), Italy (7%), Spain (11%), Great Britain (17%), Germany (20%), and France (32%).[19]
 

Heisenberg

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So to get some people off their high horse (not you), he made a comparison of the similarities between religious beliefs and the big bang theory and that they both require a leap of faith.
Ok, Hep, if you have been paying attention, what do I say when someone makes this claim?
 

spandy

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Ok, Hep, if you have been paying attention, what do I say when someone makes this claim?
A bunch of bullshit that some of us simply don't believe :)


See, I believe God is greater than all things, including the science of men. So while you may think you are solving problems, I believe God is just watching you waste your time. Science may seem concrete to you, but to me God is not held under any rules of science, He is greater than all things.

God has no physical presence in this world, therefore science is useless to me in the aspect that it proves anything about anything. Sure, we can do some cool stuff with science and I'm all for that, but it won't help anyone find where the came from.

See why believers and non-believers shouldn't talk about where they come from. Neither is ever going to sway the other unless they change what they believe.
 
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