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pottx

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Found this on another site... I am sure some people have seen it but thought it had some good info.
Has anyone tried this with luck yet?

Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art.


Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.

To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.

For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop that’s already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers who’s never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.


Here is where I found it
http://forum.grasscity.com/cannabis-breeding/549981-how-make-your-own-feminized-seeds.html
 

hoss12781

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Rodelization will be the name of the game this round. The fem caramel will be mostly harvest the remaining buds will be "Rodelizized" to make one of my other fems preggers. The silver method just sounds like a pain in the ass. I'd rather go this route first.
 

pottx

Member
I was wondering if you had any place to find feeding scheduals on strains? I have Big Devil 2 from sweet seeds & ICE was my freebie from sam sara seeds?
I would like to see pics of the rodelization when you do it.
 

hoss12781

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I haven't been able to find a good autoflowering feeding schedule but generally give them somewhere between 1/2 and the full rec dosage. Most of my auto strains get burnt if I go full power. If you're growing autos exclusively check autoflower (dot) net. I know we're not supposed to pimp other forums on this forum but it has a lot good info and the whole site is tuned just for autos. The more I think about it the more I think I will rodelize (sp) the super sativa from big buddah as I'm really more of a sativa fan anyway and would like to have a mostly sativa strain feminized. Most autos are very indica dom.
 

hoss12781

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new pictures. The caramel cream is massive about 17 inches wide. Also detailed the trimming in the pictures of the blackjack and super sativa. Trimming like this, at least for me is essentially like topping a photo period plant. When you trim as shown below the sides will wind up growing like crazy during the short veg period and the top will yield a decent sized bud instead of a real top nugget, but you more than make up for it by creating a bushy plant with massive branching. At least that's my theory.

I've really lost track on the dates of each of them since they didn't all pop at once like my last run but caramel maybe somewhere around 4-5 weeks, the others 2, the smallest 1 - probably somewhere in that neighborhood.

Others that have a trimming method for autos please make it known. I always love to experiment.

I also will be adding mylar when I get a chance to visit a fellow gardening enthusiast friend of mine. Probably going to get a tent sooner or later but def adding mylar for the time being.DSC01021.jpgDSC01018.jpgDSC01016.jpgDSC01015.jpgDSC01022.jpgDSC01023.jpgDSC01024.jpgDSC01019.jpgDSC01014.jpgDSC01020.jpg
 

luckyskindaguy

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What hath god wrought? Seriously wtf? Check out this seedling. I've germmed my fair share of seeds, never seen anything like this. Have you?View attachment 1842583
I had one of these and it turned out to be a female. Mine actually split at the first node and made two tops that both had 3 sets of leaves per node.

Are you running over 600 watts and yielded just over 150g? I have grown a few times in my LED/CFL setup and I have no problem getting .5g/watt. Is there that big of a difference with soil vs hydro I wonder? MAybe it's because I fim the branches in veg too......

I actually made a second cabinet and used a 150w HPS and yielded 158g off of 3 plants. One of the plants ended up with 68.8g.

Check out my grows and let me know what you think. I am thinking about journaling my new HPS grow that I started yesterday.

Happy growing everyone!
 

IlovePlants

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Hey Hoss,
I Love the thread man. I have also had a three leaf per node plant, it was a photoperiod AutoxDurban cross, but my partner killed it because he was a dumb asshole. I was wondering if you could pm me so we could have a genetics discussion. The sister plant that replaced the three leaver, same genetics just without the mutation, will be posted on the new thread that I'm starting once I receive my new lights. Keep up the good work man, I can see the passion you put into these little plants, and it's impressive. Oh yeah, and LEDs FTW!!!
My best wishes,
ILove
 

hoss12781

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I had one of these and it turned out to be a female. Mine actually split at the first node and made two tops that both had 3 sets of leaves per node.

Are you running over 600 watts and yielded just over 150g? I have grown a few times in my LED/CFL setup and I have no problem getting .5g/watt. Is there that big of a difference with soil vs hydro I wonder? MAybe it's because I fim the branches in veg too......

I actually made a second cabinet and used a 150w HPS and yielded 158g off of 3 plants. One of the plants ended up with 68.8g.

Check out my grows and let me know what you think. I am thinking about journaling my new HPS grow that I started yesterday.

Happy growing everyone!
To address the whole Grams Per Watt - that's really not as valid when you're looking at autoflowering grows. Consider that it took me about 55 days to grow over a quarter pound of nugs. I prefer to think of it in terms of grams per day, in that ball park I'm getting close to 1/8 an oz of free pot ... every day.
 

luckyskindaguy

Active Member
To address the whole Grams Per Watt - that's really not as valid when you're looking at autoflowering grows. Consider that it took me about 55 days to grow over a quarter pound of nugs. I prefer to think of it in terms of grams per day, in that ball park I'm getting close to 1/8 an oz of free pot ... every day.
Thought it was 65 days?

I must admit I have no experience with autos. Just tryin to learn.

Why is it you use autos anyway?
 

hoss12781

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55-65 days, somewhere in that neighborhood. On the last run the Santa was done in 55, the rest done before 65 days. Autos, if stable never take more than 9 weeks. That's one of the reasons I like them. That and they don't stink as long due to the shorter flowering period. The smoke is just as quality as most photoperiod plants if you get the right strains. I guess I just tried them and fell in love with the ease of growing they offer. Even if you royally screw up the light cycle they're still fine, which has happened when I've been out of town on business.
 

hoss12781

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finally got off my ass and went over to a friend's house and picked up the mylar that was waitin for me. Put it up on half the closet last night. Will finish retro fitting the closet tonight and post some picks. To be honest I expected a bit more from the mylar. It doesn't seem, at least to the naked eye to be all that much more reflective than the white paint I already have on the closet walls. We'll see how the plants respond.
 

hoss12781

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o.k. the mylar is pretty cool, I probably should have done that a while back. New shiny closet attached along with some well cured sweet caramel from my head stash.DSC01036.jpgDSC01031.jpgDSC01029.jpg
 

puffenuff

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What up hoss? Gotta let you know I'm really digging your grows with these pro grow lights. Nobody ever really talks about these lights like they do all the other brands but they seem to do an excellent job at a good price.

Just wondering if yours are the new 2011 versions? And have you heard anything about, or experienced firsthand, these hash tips hydroponicshut.com is talking about? Description in the link.

http://hydroponicshut.com/Pro-Grow-550-Watt-LED-Grow-Light-hydroponics-hut.html

Thanks!
 

hoss12781

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Anyone subbed to this journal probably saw the last two hateful attacks on this journal. Thanks to those who came to my defense but I elected to have the mods remove all posts related to the attacks, I guess I got my e-feelings hurt. If you missed them they were rather comical but very mean spirited given the time and effort I've put into documenting my grows.

Thanks again to the mods for helping clean up the mess. One more time for the record - I do not work for a led company. I'm a fundraiser for a division 1 research institution. This job provides a lot of down time, especially when I've already hit my goal for the year and can "hide in my office" for a couple months.

If my word isn't enough for the skeptics I'm sorry, but feel free to check all my posts, especially those made when I started researching leds. I've been around here for a minute and have not always grown with led. If I did really work for hydro hut it would be one hell of a guerilla marketing effort!

I think a lot of the thoughtless led attacks and general hate spewing we see around this and other boards is directly correlated to scamster companies such as the link listed below.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LED-Plan...item27bf0ce2d4

I'd be straight on the hate wagon if I hadn't bothered to do my proper research and bought something like this. Anyone who's read this journal knows I love to cruze ebay cause you can sometimes find some kick ass deals, that's where I got most of my led lighting. Some of the ads just make my blood boil though. Seriously, take a sec and check this ad, its beyond absurd. Each diode produces .054 watts. Some poor schmuck is about to get a free market invisible hand job to the tune of $122, no lubrication.
 

Shwagbag

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It should be quite obvious to any intelligent person that this is simply a small medical grow. Keep up the good work.
 

hoss12781

Well-Known Member
What up hoss? Gotta let you know I'm really digging your grows with these pro grow lights. Nobody ever really talks about these lights like they do all the other brands but they seem to do an excellent job at a good price.

Just wondering if yours are the new 2011 versions? And have you heard anything about, or experienced firsthand, these hash tips hydroponicshut.com is talking about? Description in the link.

http://hydroponicshut.com/Pro-Grow-550-Watt-LED-Grow-Light-hydroponics-hut.html

Thanks!
Yeah man I have one of the 14 band PG 180s. If you check the last pictures I posted with the new mylar you can see it on the right hand side. It's the light that loooks less red than all the others which are early 2011 or late 2010 models. I've only used it for about a month so I can't really say much about it. Seems to be performing at the same rate as the other 180s I have but slightly brighter and more blue diodes in the mix as opposed to high kelvin diodes which were much more prevalent in the early 2011 models. The new ones also cary 14 bands as opposed to 7 bands on the older models. New ones also have Ultra Violet and Infa Red diodes, the old ones only had IR.

The new one is actually the only one I bought straight from the source, the rest of mine where ebay scores. I'm happy with it but would suspect you can probably get similar results (if you're the thrify kind like I am) by waiting for one of the older 2011 models to pop up on ebay. The reason I say this is when I bought my ebay lights I called hydro hut and asked if they would honor the remainder of the warranty on used models purchased - they said yes and I've saved quite the pretty penny doing so. Still I am a slave to new marketing and wanted to see what the new ones could do so I went ahead and paid for a new model. I'll let you know if I can see an obvious difference when I've had a chance to grow a plant full term with one.

I did get a mighty hash tip on the blackbriar I grew with one of the first gen 2011 models, it's pictured several pages back. I also managed to bleach the top of the plant to accomplish this. Keeping led lights at the point of optimal penetration and production without bleaching is a balancing act. From everything I've experienced with their lighting I would take everything published on their site at face value. That 550 model is a beast but if you're like me and have several plants at different stages I'd rather have more of the 180s, the total wattage adds up to the same as the 550 (or a tad more) and they all feature the same 3w cree diodes. I'd rather have the modular set up than one massive light, but that's just me.

Also thanks for the compliment!
 

hoss12781

Well-Known Member
hash tip.jpgin case you're like me and don't like flipping through 20 pages to find the picture. The hash tip from my blackbriar plant. It held a flame when lit. Not as large as the one on hydro huts website but I'm not exactly a professional grade medical garden either so ...
 

loudpac

Active Member
Take it as a compliment Hoss, someone's going through the trouble to do that.
-must be doing something right, huh?
 

hoss12781

Well-Known Member
Wow, I have no fucking clue who MickyD is.

Thanks for the perspective pac.

I'll take it as a compliment that someone has gone through a fairly amazing effort to jack my journal ... and a lot of other led threads on this site under several handles.
 
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