One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

[maariic]

The frame looks crazy. It's like a carpet. Do you really think to transplant all this madness? How is it even possible to keep them not breaking and meanwhile taking it out of the pot and putting in another. Isn't it bad to transplant in flowering?

 

[lilindian]

I just want to do whatever gets the best out of this plant. I've got an idea of how i would go about doing it, i'd cut around the pot say 3-4" from the top and leave the top part that the screen is sitting on. This would get planted in the new pot. Was gona cut the pot in such a way i can just support it in the middle underneath and slide the rest of the pot down and out, if u see what i mean.... Yes its not advised to do any sort of transplanting in flowering but if the roots are already circling around the pot which they could well be doing after 13 weeks of veg/creating an enormous stalk, then in flowering when the roots grow the most, they wont have any room.... so it wont stretch nicely and yield nicely.... So a transplant could be worth it...wish there was a way i could lift this thing out of the pot and see the roots first.


Decided against building a square air pot, too much hassle, if i do transplant it'll be into a 45L air pot! Done a bit of measuring, checked the sizes and a 45L one would be perfect, approx 17" in height and 15" in diameter, thats exactly the depth of my screen + the current height from the screen to the pull out tray thing the pot is sitting on.

 

[budbro18]

Go with the air pot!!! youll definitely get the most you can with soil

and as for the transplanting part good luck

make sure you let the dirt dry out for a few days so it pulls away from the sides of the bucket. itll help a lot!

that air pots gonna be sick!
good luck!!

 

[lilindian]

Depends if i can buy them in singles, at the moment i've only found packs of 5, definitely don't need 5! And dont have the money. Just had a quick peek at her and the leaves i thought had been slightly burnt or something are fine. She's officially in flower! All tops are shooting out pistils. Duno how that works without a dark period last nite but i'm not complaining.

I'm also seriously considering not using the 2nd screen and letting her flower in all her glory, running a big risk but i just think it would look insane. Lets hope all those people who say touching buds = mould are wrong, the cab should be running cooler than average anyway which should keep our fuzzy foe away! Depending on the situation i might invest in a small dehumidifier but with the air exchange/movement i've got going on i don't think i'll be needing one, humidity can't build up..

 

[DSB65]

Looks good man .i also got a scrog 3 weeks into flower..sour cream....sage..the sour cream stretched a lot more

 

[Heads Up]

Lilindian, a plant will throw out pre-flowers if it's mature enough even in an 18/6 light schedule. A friend grew out from seed a colombian gold, he cloned it and gave me one clone. I am growing the clone and from that clone I took a clone which my buddy is now growing. He cloned that clone and has three clones rooting. The clone he originally gave to me had pre-flowers on it and it did nothing but proceed to keep throwing out pre-flowers all through veg. The clones he now has going are doing the same thing. They are a whopping couple of inches tall and already show pre-flowers they are so mature and they are only about two weeks out from being cut from the donor plant. Don't know where you live but humidity can play a factor. Your plants do transpire meaning they sweat for lack of a better term and throw moisture out into the air constantly which can raise your humidity. If you are above sixty percent entering into week six of flower, you need a dehumidifier.

 

[C.Indica]

A transplant in flowering is absolutely fine & recommended.
Just be careful, she'll be fragile. Unless she's woven into that Knex screen. Is the screen heavy enough to rip her if you hold it upside down?

Is she rootbound?
I would wait until then, maybe even a couple more weeks.

I usually transplant mine @ week 4.

A backhand to anybody who says that's bad.

 

[budbro18]

Depends if i can buy them in singles, at the moment i've only found packs of 5, definitely don't need 5! And dont have the money. Just had a quick peek at her and the leaves i thought had been slightly burnt or something are fine. She's officially in flower! All tops are shooting out pistils. Duno how that works without a dark period last nite but i'm not complaining.

I'm also seriously considering not using the 2nd screen and letting her flower in all her glory, running a big risk but i just think it would look insane. Lets hope all those people who say touching buds = mould are wrong, the cab should be running cooler than average anyway which should keep our fuzzy foe away! Depending on the situation i might invest in a small dehumidifier but with the air exchange/movement i've got going on i don't think i'll be needing one, humidity can't build up..

Check out ebay. they always got a bunch of different sizes and shit.
and as for mold i just bought a mini dehumidifier for my flower box

http://www.amazon.com/Sunpentown-Mini-Dehumidifier-TiO2-light/dp/B002NGOOP6

it works great. let it run 24/7 because it only pulls about 3/4 of a liter a day but its enough to keep it at about 35-45% RH
and you can sneak it right in the back without even noticing its there.
also comes with a constant drip drain and hose. as well as a uv light and TiO2 filter which supposedly help trap/kill alot of germs and bacteria.

i just had a battle with mold and won thanks to this little beast hahaha

oh and on top of all that its cheap and runs virtually silent. its quieter than my digital ballast fan!!!

keep up the good work too!

 

[lilindian]

Looks good man .i also got a scrog 3 weeks into flower..sour cream....sage..the sour cream stretched a lot more

Beautiful plants man, got good control over ur canopy height and everything looks nicely spaced, keep me posted on this grow for sure, both those strains are potential future grows for me

Lilindian, a plant will throw out pre-flowers if it's mature enough even in an 18/6 light schedule. A friend grew out from seed a colombian gold, he cloned it and gave me one clone. I am growing the clone and from that clone I took a clone which my buddy is now growing. He cloned that clone and has three clones rooting. The clone he originally gave to me had pre-flowers on it and it did nothing but proceed to keep throwing out pre-flowers all through veg. The clones he now has going are doing the same thing. They are a whopping couple of inches tall and already show pre-flowers they are so mature and they are only about two weeks out from being cut from the donor plant. Don't know where you live but humidity can play a factor. Your plants do transpire meaning they sweat for lack of a better term and throw moisture out into the air constantly which can raise your humidity. If you are above sixty percent entering into week six of flower, you need a dehumidifier.

Yeh so ive heard, but this is the first plant ive grown thats had more than 5 weeks veg so i'm not used to seeing pre-flowers until at least week 3 of flower. That columbian gold sounds nuts, i wish i knew more growers to take advantage of in terms of clones ect. Don't think ive ever seen a really mature, really young plant, throw up sum pics if u can be bothered. Humidity shouldn't be a problem, i stuck my hygrometer in the cab yesterday, put it at canopy height, temp read 30C, humidity i think read 30%. I've got 2 fans on her making me think the leaves might transpire at a slightly accelerated rate, but the air exchange is too strong to allow humidity levels to ever rise to problematic levels.

Saying that though i'm still gona buy a mini humidifier to stick in there towards the end of flower, want to try and achieve that extra little bit of frost

Yet again cheers for the info!

A transplant in flowering is absolutely fine & recommended.
Just be careful, she'll be fragile. Unless she's woven into that Knex screen. Is the screen heavy enough to rip her if you hold it upside down?

Is she rootbound?
I would wait until then, maybe even a couple more weeks.

I usually transplant mine @ week 4.

A backhand to anybody who says that's bad.

Firstly a big thanks for actually bothering to reply! Too many lazy growers on here! Anyway u pretty much stated exactly what i was hoping to read.

There is NO WAY i'm gona attempt to turn this plant upside down, its far too big and heavy, and i don't trust myself! I was planning on pretty much cutting it out of its bucket. In fact the way i have it planned means she'll stay exactly where she is, not even gona take her out the cab. Today was the first time i literally lay on my back on my floor and stared straight up at the underside of the bucket, roots have officially made it to and through the clay pebbles, looks like they JUST reached though, so maybe i could get away with staying in this 25L bucket.

Check out ebay. they always got a bunch of different sizes and shit.
and as for mold i just bought a mini dehumidifier for my flower box

http://www.amazon.com/Sunpentown-Mini-Dehumidifier-TiO2-light/dp/B002NGOOP6

it works great. let it run 24/7 because it only pulls about 3/4 of a liter a day but its enough to keep it at about 35-45% RH
and you can sneak it right in the back without even noticing its there.
also comes with a constant drip drain and hose. as well as a uv light and TiO2 filter which supposedly help trap/kill alot of germs and bacteria.

i just had a battle with mold and won thanks to this little beast hahaha

oh and on top of all that its cheap and runs virtually silent. its quieter than my digital ballast fan!!!

keep up the good work too!

Just found one, 45L air pot for like £17 incl postage, bit expensive for a pot but fuck it, might not even use it this grow but i'm sure it'll come in handy next time i attempt to grow a hedge!

Also thanks for the dehum' link, i've been looking into a few and none have the UV light and TiO2 filter, they're going here in the UK for like £50, bit more expensive than across the pond but a worth while investment. Looks like it would be a perfect fit for my cab. I havn't seen mold since my first grow, I was actually glad my bud moulded, opened my eyes to the possibility and made me realise my air exchange/circulation was shit, forced me to step my game up which resulted in a much better following grow.

I was all about having a completely silent set up until i bought this new extractor fan a couple days ago that i can't seem to acoustically insulate as well as my previous one, so now for the first time u walk into my room and can hear something slightly unusual for a bedroom...

Anyway thanks for the support and advice, appreciate it big time!

 

[lilindian]

• Felt the need to sort out the intake RVK situation as it was pulling in too much cold air and lights off temp today dropped to 17C. So i went to the shops and bought a fan controller, best one on the market to the best of my knowledge. The sensor is sitting bang in the middle of the canopy directly under the light, as i want THIS temperature to be 27C. This is the 3rd Temp sensor i have in the cab now. However the only one to give me an actual reading is positioned in the worst place out the 3. At the moment only the intake fan has been connected to it, as my extractor already has a temp sensor on it and variable speed functionality. I was advised against connecting my extractor to the fan controller as it could break things.
  
  But what if...
  
  I left the extractor temp setting on full, so as far as the extractor temp control function is concerned my cab is constantly too hot and needs to be vented. That way, this fan would work just like a normal RVK would, its either on, or off. Then if i connected the extractor like this to the fan speed controlled, then the temp controller on the fan will be bypassed effectively and the controller unit will govern the speed of the fan instead of the built in thingy.
  
  The reason i want to connect the extractor to the fan speed controller is because when the intake RVK's speed is slowed down, it makes no humming noise like the extractor does. They both have the same motors, so should work in the same way, so my thinking is the way in which the built in controller and the new fan speed controller works are different.... I'll try hooking it up tomorrow when lights are off so extraction isn't missed as much while its offline.
  
  Intake RVK is now positioned centrally and the ducting has been extended so now if i pull the plant out the cab, i dont have to touch the RVK, the extra ducting will take care of everything, and instead of hanging by bungee cords is now properly secured to the pull out tray thing.
  
  
• Decided to also support my bucket in a new way. This is because i was fed up of watering her the way i have been doing, collecting all the run off into a bucket and then carrying it to the bathroom.. Also when water was draining, it used to get all over the place because it used to run down the blocks of wood the bucket was sitting on. Now however its just floating!
  
  
  The plan is to basically build a little tray to sit under the bucket that has a drainage hose connected to it. This hose will feed straight into the funnel u see in the pictures that has replaced the 4" inline that used to be used as an intake fan. So now no more carrying buckets, water will drain straight out the bucket, down the hose and into the great outdoors.
  
  
• Have ordered a 45L air-pot but still considering just leaving her in her current 25L bucket. Had a good look today underneath the pot and roots have began emerging through the clay pebbles, JUST. She'll still flower into a beast in this pot i'm sure, its whether the hassle of the extra 20L will be worth it, will the roots really grow to utilise all this extra space properly?
  
  
• The plant is looking good, either its just me, or she's looking a lot larger and bushier in her pictures... maybe growth has begun to pick up for the stretch, i duno. Either way she's shooting out pre flowers everywhere! She's looking slightly yellow over-all but i cant tell if its just the lights as i missed the window where the lights flick on today. Will double check tomorrow and feed accordingly.
  

 

[legallyflying]

Looking good. I don't know why you didn't just build an airpot out of kinnex? Sorry man, I just had to

I' wondering if your light accident is delaying flower showing, I would think you would have noticed it by now. Are you the one that was adding lots of nitrogen at the onset of flower? So hard to keep everyones grow straight.

If your still training..I would definitely STOP.. or only train a couple of the dominant tops. You want things to grow up out of the screen a little. It will give you room later on to move the buds a little and get light to all their sides. If they are right next to the screen, your going to be unable to do this.

here I am at day 12 of flower. Height above the screen is pretty golden, maybe a little too high but my screen is suspended by wires so I can easily raise it an inch. Check out the size of that fucking stalk though, that is a bottle of ph calibration solution behind the stalk.
I think a good yield is in the future.

 

[Bluezdude]

I've never used an airpot but from what I've read about em, you should be able to put one in place as you said without moving the plant at all. Your idea seems quite sound, cut the bucket and just clip in the airpot. I think it should work. There is some risk tho.

 

[Heads Up]

Here are a few pics of a friend's scrog, his first attempt. Colombian gold, chocolope and either super skunk or critical+kali mist...be able to tell what they are in a couple of weeks when they really start to get their stink on. The critical+kali mist is a very fruity smelling plant, very similar to sannies killing fields in smell.

And here are the three colombian gold clones that are already showing pre-flowers. The blue lights are actinic lamps for aquariums, they throw out most of their light at 440nm, great for vegging.

 

[kevin murphy]

looking good lillian mate very good cant wait for the buds...

 

[kevin murphy]

nice heads up mate

Here are a few pics of a friend's scrog, his first attempt. Colombian gold, chocolope and either super skunk or critical+kali mist...be able to tell what they are in a couple of weeks when they really start to get their stink on. The critical+kali mist is a very fruity smelling plant, very similar to sannies killing fields in smell.

And here are the three colombian gold clones that are already showing pre-flowers. The blue lights are actinic lamps for aquariums, they throw out most of their light at 440nm, great for vegging.

 

[Bluezdude]

hm.. just thought of something. You can cut the bottom off the bucket and keep it in place with some strings or tape. Then just shred the linings holding them in place as well. Assemble the airpot around the bucket, fill in the extra soil and just remove the shreds. I don't know if the message comes across, but that's the general idea.

 

[lilindian]

Looking good. I don't know why you didn't just build an airpot out of kinnex? Sorry man, I just had to

I' wondering if your light accident is delaying flower showing, I would think you would have noticed it by now. Are you the one that was adding lots of nitrogen at the onset of flower? So hard to keep everyones grow straight.

If your still training..I would definitely STOP.. or only train a couple of the dominant tops. You want things to grow up out of the screen a little. It will give you room later on to move the buds a little and get light to all their sides. If they are right next to the screen, your going to be unable to do this.

here I am at day 12 of flower. Height above the screen is pretty golden, maybe a little too high but my screen is suspended by wires so I can easily raise it an inch. Check out the size of that fucking stalk though, that is a bottle of ph calibration solution behind the stalk.
I think a good yield is in the future.

Haha thats actually a fuckin plan! I wouldn't make the air pot out of K'nex but i'd made the rectangular frame the air pot will sit inside of out of the stuff.

I am the one who added nitrogen at the onset of flower, not gona lie, but i think she needed it! As ive said before she really doesn't look as dark green as previous grows, and i really REALLY need some stretch sometime soon, so nitrogen for the time being will still be added, maybe not as much as last time though.

I'm not training properly, just as u said tying down some dominant tops, i'd say about 10 or so, just to even up the canopy once more in the hope they all stretch equally. I'm even considering moving my light up a bit, will they still stretch as much even if they're completely saturated in light? The bulbs about 18 inches away from the canopy i think.... but as i said i need some serious stretch soon!

Pics aint showing man, sort it out cos i wanna see em!

I've never used an airpot but from what I've read about em, you should be able to put one in place as you said without moving the plant at all. Your idea seems quite sound, cut the bucket and just clip in the airpot. I think it should work. There is some risk tho.

Yeh i'm still planning how exactly to remove the bottom of the bucket with the air pot already in place. First i'll remove the side of the bucket so the whole plant is sitting on the bottom face, then i was gona wrap the airpot around.... but once ive wrapped the airpot around, i cant just squeeze in the base underneath, and with the base in place, i wont be able to remove the bottom of the bucket! catch 22 tings, gona have to think some more...

Here are a few pics of a friend's scrog, his first attempt. Colombian gold, chocolope and either super skunk or critical+kali mist...be able to tell what they are in a couple of weeks when they really start to get their stink on. The critical+kali mist is a very fruity smelling plant, very similar to sannies killing fields in smell.

And here are the three colombian gold clones that are already showing pre-flowers. The blue lights are actinic lamps for aquariums, they throw out most of their light at 440nm, great for vegging.

Damn, that kind of stretch above the screen is nearly exactly what i'm looking for! Those branches are maaaaybe a liiiiitle high above the screen but he should get some nice cola's hopefully. Really having my doubts as to whether i'll be able to achieve that though.... don't know what to expect anymore, now i'm REALLY going with the flow in this grow. Very much approvin of the choice of strains man, chocolope is another one i'm interested to see in a SCROG

looking good lillian mate very good cant wait for the buds...

Thanks man either can i! Starting to get impatient now, first time all grow, i'm bored of seeing a field of fan leaves!

hm.. just thought of something. You can cut the bottom off the bucket and keep it in place with some strings or tape. Then just shred the linings holding them in place as well. Assemble the airpot around the bucket, fill in the extra soil and just remove the shreds. I don't know if the message comes across, but that's the general idea.

Not gona lie, i was half following this plan but then lost u, I'm still in need of a good plan on how to repot her so please try and explain this again, i'm all ears

 

[kevin murphy]

i know that feeling lol..keep up good work bro...

 

[legallyflying]

A couple methods to increase stretch...

1. Raise the light
2. Increase daytime temps
3. Decrease nighttime temps to about 10-12 less than daytime
4. Keep the N high
5. Spray them with liquid light -- not sure if this increases stretch but my plants always seem to grow the most after an application

I saw no difference in stretch between MH and HPS

 

[legallyflying]

Sorry for being dense but how far into flower are you? Most of the stretch is over by day 8 but obvious it's strain dependent.

Have the stalks blown your kinnex apart yet? My plants exert allot of force on the screen. It has a big bulge in the middle