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Concord Dawn

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bro, you all did a great job, thats awesome. you make a light weight frame and cover it with cardboard and make it any size, just great. i like the light setup too, light from all sides. bulbs sound perfect for the size. the only thing i dont see are the fans/vents? you'll need to move that air good to maintain temps. great job though guys!!

yeah, i love it stoney, LoL.
 

stoneyluv

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powdermans wife has fibromyalgia. so she cant bendover or stand much. hopefully she can sit in a chair and work in it..

edit- You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to stoneyluv again. sorry man
Maybe a semi auto watering system might help her out to. something with tubes and valves, kind of like CD does. I wish them the best of luck!! and thanks for the rep thought!!!

and like CD said, make sure there is an exhaust. on the top if possible.
 

hammer6913

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bro, you all did a great job, thats awesome. you make a light weight frame and cover it with cardboard and make it any size, just great. i like the light setup too, light from all sides. bulbs sound perfect for the size. the only thing i dont see are the fans/vents? you'll need to move that air good to maintain temps. great job though guys!!

yeah, i love it stoney, LoL.

thanks cd, i was anxious for ur input on this.. we are figuring out fans for it now. an exhaust fan and a fan inside. powderman said he was gonna buy small cheap fans for inside. were gonna Y the exhaust fan out the window. prolly should put a filter on it by spring as they live in town. prolly 6" inline fan. not quite finished he drives truck and they are 3.5 hrs from me. well getr er finished soon..


thanks everybody for checkin this out and ur input..
 

hammer6913

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Maybe a semi auto watering system might help her out to. something with tubes and valves, kind of like CD does. I wish them the best of luck!! and thanks for the rep thought!!!

and like CD said, make sure there is an exhaust. on the top if possible.
yea that might be a good idea. thanks.
 

Concord Dawn

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sounds good man, i found that passive intakes work the best, no fan needed to draw the air in, i let the exhaust fan do that. the 6" inline should work great for that. the intake should be about the same size as the total exhaust. i have a 6 x 12 intake and a 10" fan for exhaust mounted on top. since hot air rises, it works great and it draws the cool air over and through the plants. i dont use any fans inside the box, the flow from bottom right to top left works great. but remember, i also have the 4 computer fans up the left side for exhaust but i dont think you'll need to worry about those.
 

hammer6913

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sounds good man, i found that passive intakes work the best, no fan needed to draw the air in, i let the exhaust fan do that. the 6" inline should work great for that. the intake should be about the same size as the total exhaust. i have a 6 x 12 intake and a 10" fan for exhaust mounted on top. since hot air rises, it works great and it draws the cool air over and through the plants. i dont use any fans inside the box, the flow from bottom right to top left works great. but remember, i also have the 4 computer fans up the left side for exhaust but i dont think you'll need to worry about those.

ok im with ya on that. the box wont be air tight, so it will breath. the temp was about 100 but with the vent in top it should be fine. hopefully he gets home and gets it up and runnin.
 

hammer6913

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DSC00988.jpgthe big plant on left in the thai plant. she is getting huge. i have new pics to upload but need to check girls firswt. made some hash today also.
 

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Concord Dawn

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ok im with ya on that. the box wont be air tight, so it will breath. the temp was about 100 but with the vent in top it should be fine. hopefully he gets home and gets it up and runnin.
cool deal man, my box is nowheres near air or light tight, LoL. works like a charm though. yeah, that fan in the top should really help out.

oh, and that plant looks great!!!
 

hammer6913

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wow too kewl, was searching for m3 dirt and my journal came up in the bing search engine. yea man i hit the big fuckin time.lmao
 

hammer6913

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happy thanksgiving hammer!!! hope you had a good day brother!
hey bro happy thanksgiving back at cha. it was a good day got to eat 2 dinners.lol.. 225 miles on road for it though.

saturday we are having a big dinner for some friends. gonna put a big pork roast in a dutch oven and put it in the woodstove. effen awesome. and lots of good medicating. lol

hope everyones thanksgiving was safe and full of food, and life.
 

hammer6913

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hours.
what bullshit. i really half expect to see this shit in any town.



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Customers of Largo’s Simply Hydroponics&#65279; are subjects of surveillance by the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office, which installed a camera on a pole across the street from the business. Detectives monitor customers of the store and cross-reference information to try to identify marijuana grow houses.
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A man went in, purchased some supplies and drove off.
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Detectives with the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office, watching via a camera mounted on a pole nearby, recorded the Chevy's license plate number, checked motor vehicle records to identify the owner, and soon showed up at his home in Seminole.
Allen Underwood is one of dozens of Pinellas residents investigated by deputies over the past two years on suspicion of cultivating marijuana.
A part-time handyman with only a misdemeanor driving infraction on his record, Underwood made his way onto detectives' radar for one reason: He shopped at Simply Hydroponics.
• • •
For more than two years, Pinellas deputies have watched customers of Simply Hydroponics through the surreptitiously placed camera.
The Pinellas County Sheriff's Office defends its spying on Simply Hydroponics, saying it is a known fact that indoor marijuana growers frequent hydroponic shops.
The St. Petersburg Times reviewed 450 search warrants filed in Pinellas between Jan. 1, 2010, and Sept. 15, 2011, and found 39 warrants that began with surveillance at Simply Hydroponics.
The outcome of those cases tends to support the Sheriff's Office defense of the tactic: In each of the 39 cases, detectives found either some marijuana or marijuana plants in the homes they searched.
"It tells me where there's smoke, there's fire. They're on to something," said Pinellas Sheriff Bob Gualtieri.
But the surveillance of Simply Hydroponics, while legal, has riled the owners of the business as well as local defense attorneys who say citizens are being unfairly watched and investigated.
"It's wrong, completely wrong, that a law enforcement agency will target what is, on its face, a legitimate business and target the customers of that business simply because they show up on camera going into a store where it's legal to shop," said attorney John Trevena of Largo, who is representing some of the defendants.
The surveillance isn't the only tool being used by Pinellas sheriff's investigators that is raising questions. Allen Underwood's attorney claims Pinellas deputies trespassed on his client's property and destroyed evidence. Several other attorneys say they believe deputies lied when they told judges they can smell growing marijuana — in one case, just a single plant — from outside a house.
• • •
Detectives saw a vehicle belonging to John Ray at Simply Hydroponics in March 2009, according to an affidavit. More than a year later, on May 25, 2010, they showed up at Ray's St. Petersburg home and asked if he was growing marijuana.
Ray said he wasn't. Ray said the deputies asked to search his home. He refused.
Later, in a search warrant affidavit, detectives wrote that after Ray closed the door, they smelled growing marijuana and heard "the distinct sound of foliage being broken" — though experts consulted by the Times said marijuana plants are pliable and would only make a sound similar to a tomato plant being broken.
Law enforcement officers are permitted to enter a home without a warrant if they believe evidence is being destroyed. Ray said deputies broke through his iron gate and were outside his front door when he opened it.
"I didn't even get it halfway open and they were dragging me out," recalled Ray, who told the Times he didn't shop at Simply Hydroponics.
Ray said he spent the next eight or nine hours handcuffed in his courtyard while deputies went to a judge to get a warrant, then searched his home. They found one plant — a plant Ray said he believes was left in his garage months earlier when a relative moved out. He said he didn't know it was there.
The experience, he said, still upsets him.
"I lay in bed sometimes, scared, thinking about what they can get away with," Ray said. "You think you're living in America, you're safe. You're not. They can do whatever they want. They're above the law."
• • •
Hydroponics utilizes water and nutrients, but no soil. It is used to grow many types of plants, but it's popular with marijuana cultivators, especially in built-out Pinellas County, where indoor operations are growers' only option.
Sheriff Gualtieri says that watching customers of Simply Hydroponics is a successful investigative technique when combined with other information such as tips, prior intelligence, a suspect's criminal history — and common sense.
"There are some businesses in this county that, while they are selling a product that could be used for legal purposes, it is notorious to be used for illegal purposes … ," he said. "Our experience tells us that people involved in grow houses do buy materials at hydroponics shops."
William T. Gaut, a criminal justice consultant from Naples, said it isn't improper to use "pole cams" as a covert surveillance method. Seeing someone visit a garden shop does not establish probable cause for a search warrant but can be combined with other information such as unusually high power usage or tips from reliable sources, he said.
"The surveillance that you see on the pole cam, it can form one small part of reasonable suspicion, but you can't act on it solely with no other evidence. If you do that, now you're over the line and infringing on constitutional rights," Gaut said.
Dawn Bednar, co-owner of Simply Hydroponics, said she "doesn't appreciate the picture that's being painted" by detectives of her shop.
"They're not entitled to harass a business and customers for where they shop. Everyone who visits a gun shop isn't a murderer," Bednar said. "We're trying to help people grow pesticide-free food. That isn't a crime."
Pinellas investigators, after identifying the store's customers and finding their home addresses, generally would check out how much electricity they were using. Markedly higher usage can indicate a grow operation.
In most cases, detectives would then conduct "spot checks" at the homes to look for signs of a grow operation, such as humming motors and blacked-out windows. They also sniffed — to see if they could smell marijuana wafting from the home.
If detectives believed marijuana was being grown, they wrote an affidavit explaining their probable cause — the information that gave them a reasonable belief a crime was being committed. That would be presented to a judge, who would authorize or reject the search.
In nearly all of the Simply Hydroponics-related warrants, detectives told Pinellas judges they could stand outside a home and smell growing marijuana. But some experts say it is improbable, if not impossible, for officers to smell marijuana growing inside a closed structure.
Dr. Richard Doty, the director of the Smell and Taste Center at the University of Pennsylvania, has conducted experiments to test whether people are able to smell marijuana from outside a home where plants are being grown. Insulation and ventilation of the home, the maturity of the plants and the distance between the nose andodor source can affect that ability.
Young plants don't emit an odor, but if a person were growing "hundreds" of mature plants in a structure that wasn't properly sealed, it's "possible" an officer very close to the home would notice the smell, Doty said.
James Woodford of Chattanooga, Tenn., an expert on the topic of marijuana odor, said a large operation vented directly outdoors could generate an occasional "whiff" of marijuana detectable up to 25 to 30 feet away.
In the case of Allen Underwood, the Seminole man deputies spotted at Simply Hydroponics in 2010, detectives said they twice smelled marijuana from a sidewalk that was 15 to 20 feet from his home. Underwood's attorney, Jerry Theophilopoulos, says the sidewalk was nearly 70 feet from the alleged grow room.
Law enforcement officers commonly use the smell of marijuana to establish probable cause. "Many such claims defy common sense, even though the courts routinely accept them as truth," Doty said.
Former Pinellas Sheriff's Office narcotics supervisor Capt. Robert Alfonso, who retired in October, disagreed, saying growing marijuana has a strong odor easily identified by professionals.
According to records, detectives found 10 mature marijuana plants and about a dozen seedlings at Underwood's home. In June, Underwood, who declined to comment for this story, was convicted of manufacturing marijuana with the intent to distribute and sentenced to probation.
• • •
Theophilopoulos, Underwood's attorney, filed an internal affairs complaint with the Sheriff's Office alleging impropriety by deputies, including trespassing, dishonesty in their search warrant request and erasure of Underwood's DVR hard drive, which was connected to a home surveillance camera.
The recording was erased, Alfonso said, because it contained images of undercover officers; a supervisor worried it might compromise their safety. The DVR was not locked up as evidence should be, Alfonso acknowledged. He said he "put out a directive to make sure this never happens again and everything that's taken out of a residence is treated as evidence."
In a court filing, the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Florida admonished the Sheriff's Office for the erasure.
Theophilopoulos contends the recorder contained images showing detectives trespassed on Underwood's property and were not at his home when they said they were.
"It would have gone a long way to proving that the allegations sworn to in the affidavit weren't true," he said.
Theophilopoulos and other attorneys interviewed by the Times said they're convinced not only that the surveillance tactics are overreaching, but also that some Pinellas narcotics detectives are being untruthful in their search warrant affidavits.
"They're misleading the courts," Theophilopoulos said, "and it's intentional."
Rita Farlow can be reached at [email protected] or (727) 445-4157.

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Concord Dawn

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you know, ive been in there several times a few years ago. when i went, i would ride the bus to get my supplies. so i guess if i would have driven there, i most likely woundnt be on here now, LoL. its really to bad.
 

gumball

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That is pathetic hammer, it truly is sad. LEO should be happy that marijuana didnt make people angry!
 

Gastanker

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Wow... that's nuts. So we can't profile suspected terrorists at the airport and instead pat down 6 year old girls and 80 year old grannies but we can profile the people that shop at a garden store and randomly barge into their homes? Absolutely ridiculous.

I bet that guy with the one plant in his garage was a big threat...
 

hammer6913

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Wow... that's nuts. So we can't profile suspected terrorists at the airport and instead pat down 6 year old girls and 80 year old grannies but we can profile the people that shop at a garden store and randomly barge into their homes? Absolutely ridiculous.

I bet that guy with the one plant in his garage was a big threat...

isnt that some shit. and they call us criminals.. fuckin losers..
 

hammer6913

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hey all. i just order some bubblicious from the weekend whopper for my birthday.... i wonder how long it takes to get gear in the mail? we just got our 1st snow to stick last nite bout an inch. man does that suck. christmas is very close.. hope ya'll been good.
 
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