Vegan Super Soil

['ome Grown]

Hi there Organic Growers.

I was wondering if there was a way to make a vegan version Subcool's Supersoil? Here is the recipe below

8 large bags of high quality organic potting soil with coco and Mycorrhizae
25-50 lbs. of organic worm castings
5 lbs. of Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs. Bat guano 0-5-0
5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0
¾ cup Epsom salt
1 cup Sweet lime (Dolomite)
½ cup Azomite ( Trace element)
2 Tbs. powdered Humic acid
*** If using an RO system add in 1/2 cup powdered Cal/mag

Even if there isn't a vegan equivalent of a certain ingredient, something similar to the Supersoil recipe would be great. The reason for asking for a vegan recipe is not because I think that it will be of a higher quality, it is simply for moral reasons, and I hope that the moral discussion can be avoided here. Just want to grow the best weed I can without having to use animal products

So basically I am asking, what would I use instead of

5 lbs. of Blood meal 12-0-0
5 lbs. Bat guano 0-5-0
5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0

I will be transplanting 3 seedlings into bigger pots in two days time, and was hoping to get something together by then. I have googled 'vegan marijuana soil recipe' and the best recipe that I could find was:

40% Potting Soil
30% Worm Castings
20% Perlite
10% Compost

If there isn't a vegan equivalent of the supersoil would the above 'recipe' be ok?

Thanks for your help guys.

Cheers

 

[kushking42]

here are two sites that carry almost everything for organic gardening. you can decide which ingredients will work for your moral standing. just match up the numbers for subs amendments and replace with what you feel is suitable. of course for the base soil. you will have to figure out because roots uses animal products. another thing to keep in mind is the time it takes for these nutrients to break down. for example replacing blood meal with feather meal will result in a much slower release of N. so you will look for an N source that is vegan and fast releasing.

http://www.down-to-earth.com/forms/DTE2011FallGardenNP.pdf

http://www.groworganic.com/

 

['ome Grown]

Thanks for such a speedy reply kushking.

I should have also mentioned that I am in Australia, and I don't have access to some of the brands that are accessible in the USA. Is it possible to make up this soil using generic products like the original supersoil recipe?

Also, what do you think about the 40/30/20/10 soil recipe? Would that be an ok alternative to a vegan converted supersoil?

Cheers

 

[subcool]

If I was going vegan I would Follow Kyle Kushmans lead.

Myself I feel as the earth is made of poop and dead things that have decayed and processed by worms its just natural to grow in the same

Sub

 

[Rrog]

A lot of vegans avoid the EWC. Glad to see you're OK with that at least

 

['ome Grown]

If I was going vegan I would Follow Kyle Kushmans lead.

Myself I feel as the earth is made of poop and dead things that have decayed and processed by worms its just natural to grow in the same

Sub

Thanks for your reply Subcool.

I have started reading up on Kyle Kushmans website etc, however, I didn't seem to find a recipe as such for a soil mixture. It seemed to me (I was looking quite hastily though) that it was mostly dealing with pre-mixed vegan organic products (bio cann etc - which I just don't have access to), rather than a recipe: add x of potting soil, add y of worm castings and z of other vegan nutrients.

I agree that growing with Subcool's Supersoil is natural...it's just I find it hard to justify buying blood and bone meal (as from what I understand is a by product from slaughterhouses and animal cruelty). I want to try and get a vegan recipe that is as close to the original Supersoil recipe as possible as it appears to have proven itself. I bought Dank 2.0 (in Australia ) and just love the pics and strains grown so much that I really want to yield the same level of dank.

If we can't find a good substitute for the blood meal, fish bone meal and guano then I'll just go with the 40/30/20/10 recipe - which hopefully still yields good results. Next outdoor season I will have a well researched vegan Supersoil recipe sussed.

Cheers

 

[ganjamystic]

Ganja Mystic's Vegan Super Soil

base mix:
- 1/2 growstones http://www.growstone.com/soil-aerator-2/ (and/or any other good aeration material such as rice hulls, pumice, hydroton, coco chips, etc.)
- 1/4 compost
- 1/4 coco (amended with powdered yucca, aloe, comfrey, nettle, yarrow, hops, horsetail *, dolomite, azomite, and beneficial bacteria/fungi)

super soil:
- 100 gal base mix
- 30-40 lbs compost **
- 12 lbs fossilized bat guano 0-7-0 ***
- 6 lbs soybean meal 7-2-1
- 6 lbs alfalfa meal 2.5-1-1
- 3 lbs kelp meal 1-.1-2
- 3 lbs neem seed meal 5-1-2
- 1 cup dolomite
- 1/2 cup azomite
- 2 tbsp humic acid powder

* these beneficial herbs can be wild harvested or cultivated very easily, or herb powders can be purchased online at http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/.

** make compost (from fruit & vegetable peels, skins, rinds, cores, stalks, and stems; cannabis leaves, stalks, and stems; forest debris; grass clippings; dry/dead leaves; and rock powder) in an outdoor bin with an open bottom so it will be naturally rich in worm castings and microbes. be sure to allow the compost to age until it is completely mature, and screen the compost before using to remove worms, worm cocoons, and undigested food scraps and return them to the bin. alternatively, for those who don't have the space and/or time to produce compost at home, Vermiblend is a good product that can be purchased. http://www.vermicrop.com/vermiblend

*** fossilized bat guano is not actually guano; it WAS guano, hundreds of thousands of years ago. "it is 100% natural and organic and it is OMRI listed for use in production of organic food and fiber. it is bat guano that was deposited in caves hundreds of thousands of years ago. as time passed, the nitrogen and moisture mostly [evaporated] away, leaving a fossilized material concentrated in phosphate, calcium, and all the other non-volatile nutrients that were present in the original guano. at some time, thousands of years ago, the bat caves collapsed. thus, there are no bats or other cave creatures present. mining is conducted by local residents and it is done by pick, shovel, and small automated equipment. locally, there is stripping of the overlying rock and this material is piled on the surface. the only processing that is done is that it is ground to a fine grain-size and then blended by hand on large tarps to get an even blend. there are no processing by-products. we pay the locals very well, and through our Indonesian partners, we support the local community the best we can. ABG phosphate is more like a rock than fresh manure or guano because it lacks organic carbon, nitrogen and potentially harmful pathogens that are commonly associated with fresh guano or manure. because of this, OMRI lists ABG phosphate as a 'mined material' instead of as 'guano.'" http://www.archipelagobatguano.com/4.shtml

 

[ganjamystic]

as for mixing and cooking, just follow sub's instructions found here: http://www.theweedblog.com/subcool-super-soil-recipe/

 

[ganjamystic]

and for maximum yield and bud density/quality, 'main-line' plants as described here: https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/542308-main-lining-thread.html

 

[ganjamystic]

and for the pescetarian's out there...

Ganja Mystic's Sea-based Super Soil

- 100 gal base mix
- 30-40 lbs compost (and/or worm castings)
- 5 lbs fossilized bat guano 0-7-0 (or 3.5 lbs seabird guano 1-10-0)
- 4 lbs fish bone meal 3-16-0
- 4 lbs alfalfa meal 2.5-1-1
- 3 lbs soybean meal 7-2-1
- 3 lbs kelp meal 1-.1-2
- 3 lbs neem seed meal 5-1-2
- 1 lb fish meal 10-4-0
- 1 lb crab shell meal 4-3-0
- 1 cup oyster shell lime
- 3/4 cup epsom salt
- 1/2 cup azomite
- 2 tbsp humic acid

 

[Rising Moon]

Ive made soil mixes that were "vegan".

Look into powdered Nettle, Comfrey and Chamomile.

If you want to buy bottles, look into Kushmans method...

If you want to feed your soil, buy bulk herbs from the health food store and start a compost pile, there's that way too.

 

[Budjamesbud]

I know this is an old thread
But I had a question about the NPK ratios when creating a recipe
Is there an over-all complete final ratio you try to meet?
I heard someone say super soil target is a ratio of 1-3-2. Does this sound correct?

to calculate the total NPK in a recipe would I just take??
(% x weight) of each ingredient and total for each?
then I could mix my own as long as it totals the final recommendation?

am I getting this correct?

I like the idea of not using blood and bone meal and using ingredients that are available.

can you also comment on compost vs worm castings… do I need both?
I love these recipes

I hope everyone is doing amazing