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hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Hey hornedfrog i just remembered hiesinberg did a right up on using the tea while cloning maybe check with him on that
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Yah its posable but to me its unessasarry
InsaneMJ
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Hey, HR. Since I haven't been using the tea, do you think it's still safe to put 2 gallons into my 20 gallon resi to start using? I don't wanna over do it and hurt the plants, but at the same time I want to make sure that it's killing off the slime. Since my girls are 2 weeks deep now, I just dont want to hurt them, or stunt them. I'm almost out of medication too, so it's gonna make these next few weeks alittle painfull..
-I.MJ
-I.MJ
hellraizer30
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If your res is 20gal then yes x2 gals of tea, as for stunting that slimes going to do way more damage!
Once you start the tea follow the adding resipe insane
If your using a ebb&grow 55gal res add 3gal. Of tea
hellraizer30
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He has tryed h202 and like me had less than good results
InsaneMJ
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Lol, yeah I've ran H202 since day 1. Keeps the build up to a minimum but not effective enough. Still get build up on the roots. I just went to the sink and hosed off as much slime as I could. I'm still cleaning the resi, and rest of the tubing. So much work.
View attachment 1848682<--- Before I rinsed them off
View attachment 1848688<--- after, It took some roots off and cleared up the roots a bit but at this point theres no slimy feelings on the roots. just looks like some dyed roots idk
-I.MJ
View attachment 1848682<--- Before I rinsed them off
View attachment 1848688<--- after, It took some roots off and cleared up the roots a bit but at this point theres no slimy feelings on the roots. just looks like some dyed roots idk
-I.MJ
colocowboy
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Nope, if you were to pull the root ball you would see your completely rotted. I bet that it is all mush! Smell like a fish pond? If you really want to save it you can but you need a few things. I usually don't give advice, besides you didn't ask. buuut
Your going to have to pull it, the substrate is saturated in pythium spores. The concentrations of bleach and/or h2o2 needed would be toxic.
A very strong concentration of h2o2 to soak the roots that remain after you clean the worst of the rot.
Soak it for a couple hours swirling it around to loose the crud as the h2o2 does it's thing.
Your going back into soil and watering with amended filtered clean water with a strong mico like aquashield at the strongest recommended concentration and a drop of vitamin b spectrum like thrive alive or super thrive.
Otherwise you need to completely sterilize your system and substrate including heat and bleach treatment. However I have found that drying out the affected substrate, heating it, and sterilizing it a second time is often necessary to completely remove the chance of reinfection. Already it's having the stress of a lifetime and getting it into active soil can have your stress impact minimized.
Man, that sucks. That shit can linger and if you let it go too much longer you could loose them all together. One thing I see is that most people don't aerate their reservoir enough, 40 liters per / minute / gallon is recommended for aerobic conditions. Of course keeping temps in there 68 or lower is necessary especially if the airflow is lower.
Personally, hydro is a no - no in the summer months unless your ultimately equipped.
Your not lying, it is so much work to clean up your whole system like that. Also if you leave even a couple spores it will all be back again.
anywho, my 2 cents
Your going to have to pull it, the substrate is saturated in pythium spores. The concentrations of bleach and/or h2o2 needed would be toxic.
A very strong concentration of h2o2 to soak the roots that remain after you clean the worst of the rot.
Soak it for a couple hours swirling it around to loose the crud as the h2o2 does it's thing.
Your going back into soil and watering with amended filtered clean water with a strong mico like aquashield at the strongest recommended concentration and a drop of vitamin b spectrum like thrive alive or super thrive.
Otherwise you need to completely sterilize your system and substrate including heat and bleach treatment. However I have found that drying out the affected substrate, heating it, and sterilizing it a second time is often necessary to completely remove the chance of reinfection. Already it's having the stress of a lifetime and getting it into active soil can have your stress impact minimized.
Man, that sucks. That shit can linger and if you let it go too much longer you could loose them all together. One thing I see is that most people don't aerate their reservoir enough, 40 liters per / minute / gallon is recommended for aerobic conditions. Of course keeping temps in there 68 or lower is necessary especially if the airflow is lower.
Personally, hydro is a no - no in the summer months unless your ultimately equipped.
Your not lying, it is so much work to clean up your whole system like that. Also if you leave even a couple spores it will all be back again.
anywho, my 2 cents
InsaneMJ
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Nothing was rotted to the point to where it fell off the roots were actually quite strong to my surprise, nor did it smell like a pond. And pulling my crop over the slime issue is a absolute NO-GO. Idk I used steam, hot water and H202 to clean all my equipment. I've always used this method and I've never had problems with something reoccuring. I think I'll stick to the tea for now, in my opinion it's the safest way to go right now. If it doesn't start to subside in 5 days or so, I'll dump the resi and just use h202 till the end. I've been able to pull a harvest with this stuff before. It's just more time consuming. I'll be sure to do a very deep cleaning before I throw my next batch in too.
-I.MJ
-I.MJ
colocowboy
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It's good, I am sure you know whats up.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
InsaneMJ
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Thanks I really appriciate it. To be honest, if I wasn't this far along with the crop I wouldn't hesitate to throw them away. But I have to stick with it all the way threw on this one, I really need to find the cure for this slime. Nothings better then experimenting too 
-I.MJ
-I.MJ
colocowboy
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No dude, not throw away... shit that's last resort when they are resisting resurrection!
No, I was recommending them to an active soil (Bacilum bacterias) to finish to limit stress. Obviously stress affects yield, flavor, potency, etc. There are bacterias that can cure the rot but in buckets where there is anaerobic conditions that are at the temps to breed the pythium you are climbing uphill. Nope, not a fan of fuck it and forget it... Instead just set aside the buckets and save the girls. That gives you time to do the cleaning and sterilization and helps the ladies bounce back with limited stress.
I think you misinterpreted me boss, but I was not recommending the garbage. By pull I meant from the infected substrate, you have no root mass below the bucket anyway.
No, I was recommending them to an active soil (Bacilum bacterias) to finish to limit stress. Obviously stress affects yield, flavor, potency, etc. There are bacterias that can cure the rot but in buckets where there is anaerobic conditions that are at the temps to breed the pythium you are climbing uphill. Nope, not a fan of fuck it and forget it... Instead just set aside the buckets and save the girls. That gives you time to do the cleaning and sterilization and helps the ladies bounce back with limited stress.
I think you misinterpreted me boss, but I was not recommending the garbage. By pull I meant from the infected substrate, you have no root mass below the bucket anyway.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Im going to chime in here, there are lots of way to go at this and to not discredit any of them, but i can say this
Ive got ALOT of runs under my belt with this ebb&grow system and the only thing that works for me is the tea!
Ive gone as for as to pull plant and change medium halfway through bloom! And it effected my yeild it did solve
Some of the issue. But ive seen way worse get saved by the tea! Raising those buctets is a huge thing.
Ive got ALOT of runs under my belt with this ebb&grow system and the only thing that works for me is the tea!
Ive gone as for as to pull plant and change medium halfway through bloom! And it effected my yeild it did solve
Some of the issue. But ive seen way worse get saved by the tea! Raising those buctets is a huge thing.
arizoning
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Just saw that the tude has a fresh stock of tga plush berry beans in stock ! Had to order up x2 packs
do they have any special going this month at the attitude
what strain are those clones
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Same three winners ive been doing! The tutes got a buy one 10 pack of any hazeman seed and get
A free pack of hazeman seeds rockymountain high seeds i had to get those beans to lol
A free pack of hazeman seeds rockymountain high seeds i had to get those beans to lol
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Yes he does............
colocowboy
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I don't diss the use of teas for sure! I also meant no disrespect by dropping in here either HR.
It's all true many ways to skin a cat, imho there is no escaping an affected harvest at this point though tea or no.
It's all true many ways to skin a cat, imho there is no escaping an affected harvest at this point though tea or no.
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