LoudBlunts
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but he isnt.
and you dont even know how old this is!!!
and you dont even know how old this is!!!
Obama's out
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porchmonkey4life
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Are you retarded? Have you smoked yourself retarded or were you always this way?
porchmonkey4life
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Did you actually listen to anything before or after this point in his speech? Or did you just tune out after you heard what you wanted to hear???
We TaRdED
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natrone23
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Ok How many of you have had friends who say nigger or have some said some racial remarks, I think many of us have friends that are this, I have friends who say boundry racist comments, but my friends arnt really racisist, we have black friends.........they don't say nigger in front of them of course, but my point is here you don't agree with everything your friend says do you? should you be responspible for what others say? Obama says he disavows those comments the wright said but he not going to disown his friend.............think back to what jerry falwell has said, Pat Robertson ect......i think worse than what Wright said...........common denominator here is don't listen to pastors, their charltans............................It sucks that Obama has been put into this situation because he's really a humanist, but you cant get elected in this country unless you are a believer in God, he also had to get some street cred from the black community..............................but I think any discussion of race actually hurts Obama because then he is seen as the black guy, it scares
porchmonkey4life
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Yeah, nartrone, I agree with not "disowning" or disavowing someone just because they made an inflammatory statement (or many); but I do think it's wrong to sit there and listen to your friends use the word "Nigger" and make racist jokes without calling them on it. I couldn't stand to sit in the same room where that was going on-regardless of what race they were deriding. I have racist grandparents who flagrantly used the N word. But that's because they grew up in a different time; the world was different back then. It's not o.k. to use this word now. You should enlighten your friends. You may think telling racist jokes or letting the N word slip now and then is not a big deal, but it DOES contribute to the larger sociocultural consciousness. Your actions affect everyone. Everything is everything. It makes me angry when I hear black people call each other Niggers. I will never understand this, and it's not because I'm white; I actually was a minority junior high thorugh high school, so I know it's a camaraderie term, but still. I think it's wrong, and if half the people using this word actually knew the history of its use, they would think twice before using it.
tampicos
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EveryZing - 780 WBBM UN-CUT. - Uncut: Obama On Race In America
honestly before you make judgement on what the guy said, listen to the man. that link leads to the speech and honestly if you dont hear him out and are listening to limbaugh or other media's you are getting scraps and for fucking fucks sake please do your homework and stop being fucking sheep.
at 35 minutes is where it gets interesting but listen to the entire thing before commenting here again then you will be able to make a correct judgment. and if after LISTENING, you still feel he is playing a race card then kudos and if you change your mind, then kudos too.
honestly before you make judgement on what the guy said, listen to the man. that link leads to the speech and honestly if you dont hear him out and are listening to limbaugh or other media's you are getting scraps and for fucking fucks sake please do your homework and stop being fucking sheep.
at 35 minutes is where it gets interesting but listen to the entire thing before commenting here again then you will be able to make a correct judgment. and if after LISTENING, you still feel he is playing a race card then kudos and if you change your mind, then kudos too.
medicineman
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The "N" word was common everyday speech when I was young, it was just the way me and my friends discussed black people. I don't think the Nevada area was much different from the rest of the US. I have grown past that and actually stopped and taken a good look at black people in general. Outside of the inner city gang population, I can't see much difference in them from any other race, intelligence, work ethic, Family responsibility, etc. Once you take poverty out of the equation, they are as productive as any middle class white family. The enemy is not race, it is economics, poverty, predjudice and hate.
We TaRdED
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blacks dont always say the N word in a demeaning way. its in there vernacular. i guess i dont mind the word as much because i used to live in a city with a lot of black people. if i was friends with them it was kool for each other to say "nigga" to each other. but i wouldnt call someone i didnt know a "nigger" .
We TaRdED
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well said, i would rep ya for that one but i have to spread some love! i belive it!!!!
Zeitgeist - The Movie
spread the word!!!
porchmonkey4life
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I may be reaching a bit, but I don't think it's right to even refer to black people as "blacks" that, to me, is a slippery slope. but isn't everything?
he started off the speech saying that his pastor was a great guy and had taught him a lot. that the press was picking and choosing "snippets" of info about him. if you ask me that's is called defending someone. if it was only the mans character he still defended him. you aren't really that blind are you, or are we "defining" words now? i sat here and watched it live.
porchmonkey4life
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I watched it too. I think he was politely trying to say that he does not stand for/support/condone everything his preacher says. I think it would have been pretty fucking stupid for him to renounce his faith/church and/or community associated with that church. That would have lost him votes for sure. Life is not all or nothing, and that was what I think he conveyed very well.
pandabear
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unfortunately it puts doubt in my mind, like, i like obama seems like a cool guy but now im thinkin like if he becomes pres how are these radical associates of his gonna sway his decisions. I mean his own wife was talkin smack about America. I cant remember the quote maybe someone can post it.
ok i found it: I mean if his own wife is like this about her own country I dont think she deserves or has earned a place in our sacred white house. I mean its not like black folks are still gettin beatin and hosed down in the streets of Alabama. if you choose to raise your kids in this country and have all the means to live anywhere in the world, then i think it is wrong and disingenuous to say things like that about the country u want your daughters to be raised in. Unless there was substantial oppression then i could understand but there aint non of that anymore. I say racism is about equal coming out of all races these days.
Does Michelle Obama dislike America? That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."
Campaigning Monday for her husband in Wisconsin, Mrs. Obama said something that has caused major controversy, and she said it twice.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHELLE OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA'S WIFE: Let me tell you something. For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.
(APPLAUSE)
And let me tell you something. I need to believe that we live in that kind of nation, where hope and possibility and unity is still what drives us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Now, the problem with that statement is the words "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country." Perhaps Michelle Obama simply misspoke. That happens all the time when you give speeches. But Mrs. Obama said it twice in two different speeches.
Now I'm willing, I'm willing to give Mrs. Obama the benefit of the doubt if she wants that benefit. The problem is she's been silent, letting others speak for her.
ok i found it: I mean if his own wife is like this about her own country I dont think she deserves or has earned a place in our sacred white house. I mean its not like black folks are still gettin beatin and hosed down in the streets of Alabama. if you choose to raise your kids in this country and have all the means to live anywhere in the world, then i think it is wrong and disingenuous to say things like that about the country u want your daughters to be raised in. Unless there was substantial oppression then i could understand but there aint non of that anymore. I say racism is about equal coming out of all races these days.
Does Michelle Obama dislike America? That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."
Campaigning Monday for her husband in Wisconsin, Mrs. Obama said something that has caused major controversy, and she said it twice.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHELLE OBAMA, BARACK OBAMA'S WIFE: Let me tell you something. For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.
(APPLAUSE)
And let me tell you something. I need to believe that we live in that kind of nation, where hope and possibility and unity is still what drives us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
Now, the problem with that statement is the words "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country." Perhaps Michelle Obama simply misspoke. That happens all the time when you give speeches. But Mrs. Obama said it twice in two different speeches.
Now I'm willing, I'm willing to give Mrs. Obama the benefit of the doubt if she wants that benefit. The problem is she's been silent, letting others speak for her.
natrone23
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I think I have grown up and are around a different type of racisism, in the past people would just come out say that nigger this that , blantant racisism of the past has given way to quieter type racisism, I almost don't even want to call it racisist.......because i have many friends and know all the white males on here can say the same thing, I have friends who make racial jokes sometimes, but it is wierd because they have black friends and have even defended are black friend because somebody else called him a nigger lol......but you see alot of white people totally be open with black people, be friendly ect. but than make comments other times, its wierd...........every generation get a little less racist as time goes by...........but it takes time.....because we have to wait for old racist people to die and stop influncing future gernerations, younger generations are by far less racisist. Don't you find kind of odd, that the most racist places are the ones where they don't have black people, its the fear of the unknown................so people get to know some black people, their just like you and me...............I love to chill with the brothers and smoke blunt after blunt
porchmonkey4life
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being black isn't about chillin' with the "brothers" and smoking "blunt after blunt". Most black people I know nowadays (met in college) don't even smoke weed, and in fact look down on other black people who do. They don't know I grow or smoke, if they did they probably wouldn't be seen with me ever again.
medicineman
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Racism is deep rooted. We whites have grown up with the erroneous notion that blacks were inferior. The startling notion that a black man may actually be qualified to be president and a damn good one I might add, has the rasicism within in a turmoil. There will be many white people that will not vote for Obama based on race, even if they won't aknowledge it. Rascism is a subtle thing. The turning point in my life was when my wifes best friends daughter had a half black baby, a beautiful mocha colored little girl with a smile to die for. We have taken a few trips together with her and her granddaughter and our granddaughters and I've grown to really love that little person. I see much more acceptance of bi-racial kids today than in the past. It is getting better, thank God.
that's what i said in the original post. he was trying to defend his pastor while separating himself from him.
porchmonkey4life
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I sill don't get the impression that he was in any way defending him, i.e. defending the things he says/condones.
natrone23
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I didn't say being black was anything......I just said like to smoke blunts with brothers....I know alot of black people who smoke and I know alot of white people who smoke