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Mechanibus

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Hey Trichy,

I like your deck box, insulated res and control chamber. How are you going to arrange the misters inside, or whatever? What have you got going on for mist delivery?
 
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Mechanibus

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Also, that 422 timer looks to be the shit. I looked for months and went a different way- octal bases and all that sounded like electronics, something I don't do well. However, I'm up against limitations with all three of my timers, (art dne, grozone knockoff of same, and a din-style valve timer) and this looks like the best $100 solution.

Is it easy to determine the hook up scheme and does it easily adjust to reasonably accurate ranges?
 
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r0m30

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Trichy Bastard said:
Ok, here's what I've been doing since the last update...
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Very nice, clean set up.
Is that square thing under the timer the charge controller or the differential pressure switch?
Did you have to muffle the pump or is it quiet enough?
What did the volume of that deckbox work out to be?
Is the bottom of the deckbox double wall construction too? How are you going to do the drains?
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Trichy Bastard

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r0m30 said:
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Very nice, clean set up. Thanks, it is aesthetically pleasing, isn't it ;) Like I said- if it works as good as it looks, I'll be in aero heaven!

Is that square thing under the timer the charge controller or the differential pressure switch? Pressure switch
Did you have to muffle the pump or is it quiet enough? It's noisy when sitting on the counter, but once isolated it's pretty quiet- I will use something like the neoprene pucks Cavadge used, it's the exact pump he used I recently noticed...
What did the volume of that deckbox work out to be? I'll calculate it next time I go outside...
Is the bottom of the deckbox double wall construction too? How are you going to do the drains? Yes, bottom is, and I used it as the drain- I wrote about it in my first build update a few days back... With pics ;)
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Mechanibus said:
Hey Trichy,

I like your deck box, insulated res and control chamber. How are you going to arrange the misters inside, or whatever? What have you got going on for mist delivery?
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I have 3 misters in the front and 3 in the back- and one in each sidewall- somewhere months back are the plans... What do you mean in regards to what I have for mist delivery? The usual accumulator setup, biocontrols impingment nozzles- I will do a detailed explanation with pics once it's all done. -(SOON!)- :D

Mechanibus said:
Also, that 422 timer looks to be the shit. I looked for months and went a different way- octal bases and all that sounded like electronics, something I don't do well. However, I'm up against limitations with all three of my timers, (art dne, grozone knockoff of same, and a din-style valve timer) and this looks like the best $100 solution. Is it easy to determine the hook up scheme and does it easily adjust to reasonably accurate ranges?
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The timer is the best commercial solution for the price, it's quite accurate even at the 1/10 sec. level and really easy to set, or adjust the time on. Also available in any ac/dc voltage you'd want. Wiring was simple- I think just 3 wires- I can writeup a how to with pics if you ever had the need... Also, Hammer21 found a new timer on ebay thats plug n play, and may be a new option, we're going to test them in the next couple weeks... (look back a page or 2 from last week).
 
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dickkhead

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Trichy Bastard said:
Ok, here's what I've been doing since the last update...

These are the bulkheads as installed in the sidewalls for each mister. Obviusly had to consider the odd shapes on the interior of the paneling, I wanted to seat the bulkhead to the interior wall, but since they were so weird, I just made the interior wall hole larger, and fastened the bulkheads to the exterior walls.

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As much as I wanted to avoid spray foam, it was most suited for filling in the large spaces around the bulkheads. I didn't want water to condense in the walls, or roots to creep into them.
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I cut out a top door to view the roots (and hopefully lots of root-porn for you guys) as well as to be able to perform maintenance on the nozzles if the need ever arises. I considered the valleys and cut along them which worked out well. Used some weather stripping to seal out light and the moisture in, and it stops the door from falling in. Put on a handle.
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Bypassed the pump's onboard pressure switch by taking out the wire. I will use the external one I bought as it is adjustable over a wider range of pressures, and I hear the ones that come with the pumps don't hold up for very long.
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Here's how I tackled the accumulator hookup with the pvc 3/4x1/2 flange, then a 1/2 NPT to 1/2 JG tube and finally a 1/2 JG to 1/4 JG adaptor.
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I was really excited that this is the perfect insulated reservoir, it just barely cleared the lid of the container I'll be keeping it in, and amazingly when I took off the spout a JG bulkhead fit perfectly into it! I also put one in the lid as well for the return when I purge my accumulator and any release from the pressure relief valve. Is it any irony that it is also made by rubbermaid? I think not. I bet they secretly make stuff for growers on purpose, and it constitutes a fair portion of their sales... ;)
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Here it is in th bin, with the filter along side of it...

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And here's the preliminary workup of my control center. Everything plumbing and electrical is in here including the 12v deep cycle battery and charger. I will take some more detailed closeups when I am finished with it...
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Well, what do you guys think so far? :hump:
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wow TB cant wait to see it producing! awesome!!
 
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foresakenlion

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Well BSP would have been easy is why, and you said avoid PVC but you ended up using it to hook up the tank, it's kind of like is PVC good enough for the most critical connection but inferior for the rest?

I understand it's the only way you could get it hooked up, hence the interest in another way, it's not like it's really a hassle either, for nine dollars you can get a 3/4" NPTF x 3/4" BSPM in steel, so $17 dollars and my issues sorted. Well 17 plus the 12-13 for the tap adapters, lets say $30

Let me go back look at your solution and the total.
 
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Trichy Bastard

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foresakenlion said:
Well BSP would have been easy is why, and you said avoid PVC but you ended up using it to hook up the tank, it's kind of like is PVC good enough for the most critical connection but inferior for the rest?

I understand it's the only way you could get it hooked up, hence the interest in another way, it's not like it's really a hassle either, for nine dollars you can get a 3/4" NPTF x 3/4" BSPM in steel, so $17 dollars and my issues sorted. Well 17 plus the 12-13 for the tap adapters, lets say $30

Let me go back look at your solution and the total.
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Well, the reason to stay away from pvc is because the pipes expand too much under pressure, which is not an issue for a single threaded coupling that fits into the metal threads of the accumulator. So the reason is as important as the rule, and I believe sine the reason doesn't apply to this single piece, it makes it a non-issue. Make sense?
 
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Trichy Bastard

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Ok, any further responses in regards to this issue I will ask a moderator to delete- from anyone... I didn't go through all of the time and effort in here just to have it degrade over something that could easily be let go. I understand people's feelings are involved, but the sooner we stop the exchange, the sooner we can get get back on topic. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.
 
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Trichy Bastard

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Awwright guys, I just ordered my canna substra soft water Vega a/b and flores a/b.. Also some 140 tpi silkscreen for the rootscreen and a sampling of 2 each of all the different angles cloudtops nozzles for testing. I think I may at least use slightly different nozzles on the left/right sides since they are special in that there is only 1 nozzle meant to cover the 2 nearest plants from the side. This concludes any items I need to get up and running- I see the finish line, and should be operational by next week. This was just the qualifying lap- the real race begins as I learn how to use this contraption I built.. ;) It feels good to be so close to the next chapter... :D
 
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Trichy Bastard

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BTW- has anyone any experience with netpot lids? I though they might be good for this since they help hold up the stem and also would block light from coming through the rockwool as well as helping it retain moisture. I can't tell if they're made from rigid plastic, or a softer rubber- and I'd hope they were softer so they can stretch with the stalk....
 
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hammer21

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TB get both use the plasic ones to start with the hole is bigger allowing hand watering until the roots get below net pot and then use the rubber ones after that. It is very important to have lids and keep moisture retained inside net pot. system is looking good following your progress :clap:
 
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hammer21

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!B9NDqg!BWk~$(KGrHqEOKm4EyyFEhzKZBM5F-li4c!~~_12.jpgHere is the pump i`m using now it is a air operated dual diaphram pump 3/8" in and out @ 7GPM @ 120 PSI I do not need a pressure switch what pressure i put in i get out. I use a 3 way solenoid on the air side to discharge air pressure from pump. working great.
 
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Trichy Bastard

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hammer21 said:
TB get both use the plasic ones to start with the hole is bigger allowing hand watering until the roots get below net pot and then use the rubber ones after that. It is very important to have lids and keep moisture retained inside net pot. system is looking good following your progress :clap:
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Thanks Hammer! So are you saying they come in both rigid and rubber? Or did you read my message and think I was asking which ones to buy? I needed to know what they are made of in the first place-they look rigid and that doesn't sound great to me if the stalk ever gets to the size of the neck ring. I suppose I could wallow it out if need be. If they do come in 2 flavors, no seller mentions it, or even what thy're made of that I can find...
It was funny today- I woke up early thinking about aero, which caused me to have to get out of bed and look at the project first thing again... I'm so happy it's almost there!
 
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