Belief Without Evidence WTF?

[Finshaggy]

they're not gonna be prayin about what they did wrong they gonna pray they dont get smacked upside the back of their head again.


that is pretty bogus and adam didnt even do nothin, but be with the bitch when she was gettin punished. if there is a god and he is all powerful shouldnt he be able to change his position if he feels like. i mean we can do it so if we can its not hard to imagine. just cause he's all powerful and all knowin doesnt mean he cant be an asshole haha

God causes Cain to kill Able. Read your Bible. Cain comes to god and says, "Why do you not respect me, I offer you adequate gifts?" And God says. "ME??!?!?! Go talk to your brother!!"

So he goes and kills his brother because his brother takes care of the herds and offers god baby animals. Cain can only offer grains and fruits, but it's all he's got.

THEN Cain goes and finds a wife.
Just ADAM, EVE, CAIN, and ABLE. And he goes EAST to the land of NOD, and finds himself a bitch...?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? What the FUCK????!?!?

 

[Harrekin]

Well there WAS NO TRINITY until Jesus came. So yes, this all powerful god would have to change when the son came anyways. And Jesus did calm him down quiet a bit.

Dude Jesus was always there, he just came to Earth at one stage, he even said he was "returning to the Father".

And Blazinkill, Adam ate the apple too, you can't play the "but she told me to" card.

 

[Finshaggy]

Dude Jesus was always there, he just came to Earth at one stage, he even said he was "returning to the Father".

And Blazinkill, Adam ate the apple too, you can't play the "but she told me to" card.

Jesus said a lot of things. That doesn't mean Moses, or Jacob, or anyone did.

 

[SoCaldrums]

DANG it! No wonder I flunked.

Triangles have three poin'y parts. cn

 

[SoCaldrums]

I must've missed where anyone here was "seeking answers". Seriously. Not trying to be a dick, but if a sincere person here wants a sincere answer about something in the Bible, I'll do my best to answer it, but all I've seen so far is: "PROVE GOD EXISTS!!".

Again, if God is 'common sense' right in front of us, then why can't you give any legit answers to those who seek him? Why do you need to rely on tricks and insults? Why does a thread full of people seeking answers 'blow'? Isn't it exciting to see so many trying to find god? Perhaps what blows is that we are not gullible and can easily point out the areas that you are. It seems you have been singing this song and dance all day. You're brain can construct a scenario where everyone else is stupid and does not see God right in front of them, but your brain forgets, you can't point to him either.

 

[SoCaldrums]

You haven't shown much knowledge about the coloring book my nephew uses, should I hold that against you? The bible has all the earmarks of being written by ignorant men, and nothing, not one shred of knowledge or wisdom that would suggest divinity. You can study the bible your whole life and never learn a thing about gravity, thermodynamics or even basic biology. Maybe 20 years is enough and you should pick up a science book or two.>>>

Wasn't talking to you. Was talking to the guy who claims "the bible is fucked", but has no idea what it says.



So not only do you deny evolution as an explanation for the complexity of life, you deny evolution is even happening? Survival of the fittest plays no role in life? The creator just created us and environmental pressures have nothing to do with anything? Do you ever slow down and think about the things you say? Do you ever try to answer your own questions before you put them out here as arguments? Have you ever been critical of yourself at all in any capacity?

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So, I'll check you off the "seeking answers" list and just put you on the dick list. Did I say I deny micro-evolution? I don't know *anybody* who does.

 

[SoCaldrums]

Man...our founding fathers were sure stupid huh?

[video=youtube;Qlt0hkLNr3w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlt0hkLNr3w[/video]

WATCH this.


Proves the most intelligent people on the planet reject god. The men & women who CHANGE our world for the better are usually atheists.. The though of God will Hold one back from trying to really figure out the world they live in..
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KNOWLEDGE PREVAILS.

 

[SoCaldrums]

But no atheists.

I know. But that defines A LOT of today's Christians.

 

[SoCaldrums]

I have a general rule about never responding to someone who feels the need TO USE SO MANY CAPS...but I'll break it (and, no doubt, regret it), once.

LMAO.. You cannot deny that. If you did not have faith in an Afterlife...being with god when you die.. that an invisible Entitiy is watching over your EVERY DAY TO DAY move... THAT HAD HELD YOU BACK FROM WHO YOU WOULD BE HAD YOU NOT HAD THAT ILLUSION..>>>

That makes no sense to me. So...someone who believes in a creator...who created them FOR A PURPOSE, and who cares about them, will be "less productive" than someone with no such hope? Obvious nonsense.


WHY DON'T ALL THE CRAZY GOD BELIEVERS BECOME & STRIVE TO BE GREAT SCIENTISTS TO PROVE HIM TRUE? Is it too much Confidence in their God? Like, Why do I need to further mankinds technological advances when I have a god I will spend eterity w/.>>>

There's thousands of believers who are scientists. More bs.

think about where or who you would be...what you would strive to learn, had you not left all the UNKNOWN QUESTIONS TO.. "GOD"..Honestly IMO it is a COP OUT to learning.. Lazy fucks who don't wanna spend time learning about technical shyt instead would rather answer all the Tough questions with "God".. God created that, I don't need to understand it.. We would have no idea what Germs, Bacteria, Cells, Atoms are today had we simply said "God" was doing it all along.. You know bad weather? natural disasters? Back then we would BLAME GOD, Say it is an ACT OF GOD.. NOW DAYS, we KNOW How, Why, most likely when.. it will happen DUE TO UNDERSTANDING Weather & the world we live in.<<<

Again, ignoring the gazillions of believing scientists, biologists, weathermen, etc. You have a bullshit premise, and absolutely zero facts/statistics to back it up.


You give religious people to much credit.. they may have wrote alot of books & started many wars.. but they have not bettered mankinds way of life as scientists & people who really questioned life have.

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Ok...now you're embarrassing yourself. Were Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao "religious people"? And again, theres a ton of believing scientists.

 

[SoCaldrums]

Crap...I don't know how to multi-quote^

 

[Heisenberg]

I must've missed where anyone here was "seeking answers". Seriously. Not trying to be a dick, but if a sincere person here wants a sincere answer about something in the Bible, I'll do my best to answer it, but all I've seen so far is: "PROVE GOD EXISTS!!".

Most of us who are seeking answers realized that the bible has very few in the context of a deity. Even religious apologists admit that the bible was written by man. That fact is not in dispute, but it raises the question, what then are it's qualifications for being a divine work? The bible sucks at history, logic, and consistency and teaches us nothing about the mechanics of reality. The bible has nothing that sets it aside from any work of fiction, especially other religious texts which all say essentially the same thing. What is it I can find in the bible that is not in the Qur'an? The bible purports to be absolutely certain about the not only the existence of God, but the contents of his mind and will. For this, it gives not one shred of justification. Does that mean the bible is useless? Not at all, it just means when we go looking for evidence of divinity and apply objective standards of evaluation, we find nothing. So those of us who are seriously looking for answers about the idea of a deity find no worth in the bible.

Man...our founding fathers were sure stupid huh?

What is your point? Many of them were deists. Theism certainly does not get credit for our country's origin, unless you count the desire to gain distance from persecution.

 

[Heisenberg]

Well there WAS NO TRINITY until Jesus came. So yes, this all powerful god would have to change when the son came anyways. And Jesus did calm him down quiet a bit.

I read the Bible and he's a DICK when it's him dealing with us (Like if corporate had to come micromanage type attitude). But Jesus wasn't such a dick, so he just used the "same power" in a nicer way, and no one really saw much of god himself at that point.

The bible describes God not just as all powerful, but all knowing as well. That means he has full knowledge of the past, present and future. So when he was being a dick he would have already known about his son and the alternative way of dealing with his creations, but chose to be a dick anyway. Unless one believes a perfect being who knows everything needs to engage in trial and error type learning.

 

[Harrekin]

I have a general rule about never responding to someone who feels the need TO USE SO MANY CAPS...but I'll break it (and, no doubt, regret it), once.

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Ok...now you're embarrassing yourself. Were Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler and Mao "religious people"? And again, theres a ton of believing scientists.

Dude Hitler was a Christian...

 

[Hepheastus420]

I read the Bible and he's a DICK when it's him dealing with us (Like if corporate had to come micromanage type attitude). But Jesus wasn't such a dick, so he just used the "same power" in a nicer way, and no one really saw much of god himself at that point.

The thing with that is in the bible when people would refer to god and what god said they would be like "in a dream I had god told me to go to this village and kill them....". But when people talk about Jesus they say exactly what he said, and many people heard what he said, not just one guy that was dreaming.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Dude Hitler was a Christian...

Dude he claimed he was Christian, a Christian wouldn't do what he did. He was more of an atheist than a Christian, I'm sure you can find somewhere that he renounced his faith. Also I'm not saying he did those things because he was an atheist, he did this things because he's a dick.

 

[Hepheastus420]

The bible describes God not just as all powerful, but all knowing as well. That means he has full knowledge of the past, present and future. So when he was being a dick he would have already known about his son and the alternative way of dealing with his creations, but chose to be a dick anyway. Unless one believes a perfect being who knows everything needs to engage in trial and error type learning.

If his knowledge is infinite doesn't that mean he can change his mind?

 

[SoCaldrums]

LOL. Uh...no.

Dude Hitler was a Christian...

 

[Harrekin]

If his knowledge is infinite doesn't that mean he can change his mind?

Nah I'd imagine it'd mean he wouldn have to,cos he'd know he was going to change his mind even before he decided it...ugh, confusing!

 

[SoCaldrums]

Most of us who are seeking answers realized that the bible has very few in the context of a deity. Even religious apologists admit that the bible was written by man. That fact is not in dispute, but it raises the question, what then are it's qualifications for being a divine work? The bible sucks at history, logic, and consistency and teaches us nothing about the mechanics of reality. The bible has nothing that sets it aside from any work of fiction, especially other religious texts which all say essentially the same thing. What is it I can find in the bible that is not in the Qur'an? The bible purports to be absolutely certain about the not only the existence of God, but the contents of his mind and will. For this, it gives not one shred of justification. Does that mean the bible is useless? Not at all, it just means when we go looking for evidence of divinity and apply objective standards of evaluation, we find nothing. So those of us who are seriously looking for answers about the idea of a deity find no worth in the bible.



What is your point? Many of them were deists. Theism certainly does not get credit for our country's origin, unless you count the desire to gain distance from persecution.

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My point, to the3 person who I posted it to, who claimed that Christians have done nothing productive/are useless/stupid/etc, is that most of our founding fathers were Christian.

The bible sucks at history?? Show me one example. Sucks at consistency? Show me one example.

Again- I believe the bible is true because there's tons of manuscript, archeological, prophetic and statistical evidence to support it. You reject it. Fine. Have a nice life. But please don't insult my intelligence by claiming you're "searching for answers". Not one person (that I can see) in this thread *is*. You've got your shrill 8th grades idiots, and your educated individuals who just want to show how educated they are. But there's no sincere searchers here. Which means we are *all* wasting our time.

 

[SoCaldrums]

He never "changed his mind". Don't get sucked in by people's bs. And when was God ever a "dick"?

If his knowledge is infinite doesn't that mean he can change his mind?