Abortion.

Nusky

Nusky

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Red1966 said:
I think you'll find that most pregnancies were unplanned and/or unwanted, but mothers love their children anyway. I propose you may be a misfit, shall we abort you?
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the difference is, my parents were in their 30s when they had me. They were ready to have a child anyway. At 18 or 20 and you don't want your child, you just won't treat them nicely. You constantly see in the news young parents doing fucked up things from killing them, to just straight up abusing them. It's just not fair to the child to live through that. How would you feel if your mom hated you and wanted nothing to do with you?
 
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fdd2blk

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Nusky said:
the difference is, my parents were in their 30s when they had me. They were ready to have a child anyway. At 18 or 20 and you don't want your child, you just won't treat them nicely. You constantly see in the news young parents doing fucked up things from killing them, to just straight up abusing them. It's just not fair to the child to live through that. How would you feel if your mom hated you and wanted nothing to do with you?
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crypt can answer that one for you. ;) :)
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Some very good posts here tonight. Imo the question of personhood hits the nail on the head. Is an eight-month fetus, which is capable of unassisted survival outside the womb, a person? I cannot imagine anyone saying "no" unless that person is an administrator of mainland Chinese health care.
Is an unimplanted morula a person? Absent religious mandate the answer would be No.
Somewhere in between these two points we need to assign personhood, but that is an arbitrary point, since the development of the embryo/fetus is essentially continuous.
After the point where we agree to assign personhood, abortion is a form of murder.
Before it, it is something lesser, to be weighed against consequences to the other persons involved, especially the mother.
Theologians in the Abrahamic religions moot this argument by arguing for personhood and thus full sanctity from the moment of conception (in more practical terms implantation, but this way the "morning after" pill is designated a murder weapon).

Regardless of what informs your moral horizon, it's a tough question. Since I view personal choice as a high ideal, I won't take a hard-line anti-abortion stance. However I don't see either wisdom or beauty in taking the issue lightly. It's less than killing someone (imo), but more thanlancing a boil.
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Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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The Cryptkeeper said:
So how can you condemn the killing of a fetus but not condemn said killing of a human?
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It's rather easy to have different opinions on two extremely different subjects.
Euthanasia is a choice for the person that is going to die.
Abortion is not a choice for the fetus.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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The Cryptkeeper said:
That's a nice quote. :) Very nice. I have one of my own,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress will turn a deaf ear to all the religious fervor I'm afraid. Many fetuses you say, on the magnitude of say.... less than a fraction of a single percent? There is alot of bad that comes out of the illegal drug trade, solely because it the trade is prohibited. Regulate and observe...
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Uh, what does your quote have to do with the topic? You seem to think only the religious are against abortion. You trivialize the murder of children? You have no soul.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Nusky said:
the difference is, my parents were in their 30s when they had me. They were ready to have a child anyway. At 18 or 20 and you don't want your child, you just won't treat them nicely. You constantly see in the news young parents doing fucked up things from killing them, to just straight up abusing them. It's just not fair to the child to live through that. How would you feel if your mom hated you and wanted nothing to do with you?
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If I was that kid I would feel just fine, honestly. I would call CPS and snitch out my mom for abusing me.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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Hepheastus420 said:
It's rather easy to have different opinions on two extremely different subjects.
Euthanasia is a choice for the person that is going to die.
Abortion is not a choice for the fetus.
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Two different subjects with the same core topic, killing. You're saying that you hold the killing of human above the killing of a fetus. That's the truth.

So I ask you again,
How can you condemn the killing of a fetus but not condemn said killing of a human?

Dog's can at least choose whether or not it wants to die, and actively express said choice, but we still Euthanize them.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Sorry, I'm asking you, as an outside opinion if you think my quote had anything to with my response. He seems to think it didn't so I wanted it to be fair.
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Uhhhh, I don't know I wasn't following you guys, lol. I just saw red post something, you respond and red claims you don't stick to the topic of you guys argument. I must say both of you are on topic with y'all's or you's (lol) argument.
Ehh I respect both of you enough to keep my 2 cents in my pocket, :).
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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Red1966 said:
Yes, many of the "fetuses" that are aborted are full term babies who actually survive the abortion procedure. They are then MURDERED by immersing in ice water, breaking their necks, piercing their skull, or other means. There was a lot of testimony of this to Congress. "What you have done unto the least of my children, you have done unto me."
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Yeah.... I don't think that's credible.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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The Cryptkeeper said:
Two different subjects with the same core topic, killing. You're saying that you hold the killing of human above the killing of a fetus. That's the truth.

So I ask you again,
How can you condemn the killing of a fetus but not condemn said killing of a human?

Dog's can at least choose whether or not it wants to die, and actively express said choice, but we still Euthanize them.
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Euthanasia is killing someone because they are suffering a great deal from a disease,
Abortion is killing a fetus that could have been the next president of the world.

I'm against killing dogs, lol.

Just because they both have to do with killing doesn't mean they're the same.
You can kill an innocent person, or you can kill a nazi that was gonna blow up an orphans home. Ones good and ones bad.
 
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