Just got Under Current CC XL (4) Some help please

[rud3dog]

(This the XL edition) Ive grown for a couple of years but this is my first time with hydroponics. I was told these are one of the best systems on the market today. I got the 4 bucket and have 3 holes in each lid for baskets. I heard this system can me a little tricky putting togeather becuase of how tight the pipes are ect. Can some one please elaborate that or if you know any good instructional vids?

Is it true that I will see twice the growth and larger yeilds then soil? I really hope so becuase I spent alot of $ and Im not rich. I plan to grow 12 plants at a time with a 600watt mh/hps along with many high power cfl's. Im always looking and learning so please dont hesitate to tell me some things. O yeah I also got the best chemicals ( im told ) and I was told it was a must to get a little computer sensor that mesures ph/temp/ and PPM. This will all fit in a 4x8 tent (nice tent, not a DIY) and will fans ect.

O yeah we have alot 125 watt cfl's

thanks to all

 

[los0420]

(This the XL edition) Ive grown for a couple of years but this is my first time with hydroponics. I was told these are one of the best systems on the market today. I got the 4 bucket and have 3 holes in each lid for baskets. I heard this system can me a little tricky putting togeather becuase of how tight the pipes are ect. Can some one please elaborate that or if you know any good instructional vids?

Is it true that I will see twice the growth and larger yeilds then soil? I really hope so becuase I spent alot of $ and Im not rich. I plan to grow 12 plants at a time with a 600watt mh/hps along with many high power cfl's. Im always looking and learning so please dont hesitate to tell me some things. O yeah I also got the best chemicals ( im told ) and I was told it was a must to get a little computer sensor that mesures ph/temp/ and PPM. This will all fit in a 4x8 tent (nice tent, not a DIY) and will fans ect.

O yeah we have alot 125 watt cfl's

thanks to all

yea buddy good choice to start with you will def see huge gains in yield sorry gotta go but i will try to right more on it later good luck

 

[disposition84]

Dawn dish washing soap will make getting those pipes into the uniseals A LOT easier.

System is a breeze to use, I built a homemade one and had great results. Just follow the instructions
on setting it up and you're good to go.

Give www.thcfarmer.com a visit too, they have a whole section of the forums dedicated to UC and
some people doing seriously big things over there.

 

[donutpunched]

I would use some astro glide or some other water soluble sex lube, it wont cause any problems... I run UC and have to say if done properly you will get massive yeilds... But, it is a very difficult sytem to dial in.. Once dialed you are golden but slight changes in PH and PPMs can have drastic results.... 1st run I had some issues getting the nutes sched down.... PLants were stunted but I still pulled a few LB's

 

[lordjin]

I would use some astro glide or some other water soluble sex lube, it wont cause any problems... I run UC and have to say if done properly you will get massive yeilds... But, it is a very difficult sytem to dial in.. Once dialed you are golden but slight changes in PH and PPMs can have drastic results.... 1st run I had some issues getting the nutes sched down.... PLants were stunted but I still pulled a few LB's

I prefer KY for all my hydro needs. Lol.

 

[lordjin]

(This the XL edition) Ive grown for a couple of years but this is my first time with hydroponics. I was told these are one of the best systems on the market today. I got the 4 bucket and have 3 holes in each lid for baskets. I heard this system can me a little tricky putting togeather becuase of how tight the pipes are ect. Can some one please elaborate that or if you know any good instructional vids?

Is it true that I will see twice the growth and larger yeilds then soil? I really hope so becuase I spent alot of $ and Im not rich. I plan to grow 12 plants at a time with a 600watt mh/hps along with many high power cfl's. Im always looking and learning so please dont hesitate to tell me some things. O yeah I also got the best chemicals ( im told ) and I was told it was a must to get a little computer sensor that mesures ph/temp/ and PPM. This will all fit in a 4x8 tent (nice tent, not a DIY) and will fans ect.

O yeah we have alot 125 watt cfl's

thanks to all

Wow, you got that thing? Dare I even ask how much it was?

I predict that you will get fine, fine results with your first attempt if you follow the advice of the good folks here.

A word of advice, though. Put those wild claims of "twice as fast and twice as much" out of your head and just concentrate on getting your system dialed in properly. You'll see improvements over soil straight away, but you'll have to practice a bit before your're doubling anything from a previous grow.

 

[rud3dog]

Yes I used KY ( blushing) and water solible too! Yeah I spent close to $1,500 at the grow store after buying the unit extra baskets chemicles, cumputer that messures ppm, ph, and I think it sucks your dick to. I hope I didnt waset all that cash when I could have used a tried known solution (soil). But the unit is complete with a water chiller, air pump and air rock for each bucket and water pump. I like the way you can easly check ppm and ph electronically, it kinda takes the guess work out of nutes. Ive been reading on some other forums that they are using 4x the lighting as mine and I dont get it. I grew 15 plants with no problem in a a 4x4 grow tent last time, unless there is somthing im not getting. Im gonna watch georges dvd on hydroponics maybe that will give me some clues on wtf is going on. Man that chicks pic gives me a hard on lol!

 

[lordjin]

Yes I used KY ( blushing) and water solible too! Yeah I spent close to $1,500 at the grow store after buying the unit extra baskets chemicles, cumputer that messures ppm, ph, and I think it sucks your dick to. I hope I didnt waset all that cash when I could have used a tried known solution (soil). But the unit is complete with a water chiller, air pump and air rock for each bucket and water pump. I like the way you can easly check ppm and ph electronically, it kinda takes the guess work out of nutes. Ive been reading on some other forums that they are using 4x the lighting as mine and I dont get it. I grew 15 plants with no problem in a a 4x4 grow tent last time, unless there is somthing im not getting. Im gonna watch georges dvd on hydroponics maybe that will give me some clues on wtf is going on. Man that chicks pic gives me a hard on lol!

1500 is no trifling sum, but I didn't know the kit was that complete. Not bad. Don't worry, it was a bit pricey, but you hardly wasted your cash. The fact that it comes with a tri-meter and water chiller is gonna give you a major edge over most hydro beginners. With those two things, you'll avoid many of the 'little disasters' associated with newbie growing.

What kind of lighting are you running in your 4x4?

 

[drgreentm]

Ive been reading on some other forums that they are using 4x the lighting as mine and I dont get it. I grew 15 plants with no problem in a a 4x4 grow tent last time, unless there is somthing im not getting.

ok im going out on a limb here and saying that i doubt you grew 15 8-16 oz ladies in a 4x4 tent with a 600 and some cfl's! there is a total difference between what you are doing now and what you have done in the past plain and simple. these systems are meant to house some very large and heavy yielding plants (plants you would normally have to grow in a large trash can in soil) that is where the intense lighting comes in. i run a ebb and grow 12 site 2 gal system and i couldnt get 9 of my medium sized ladies in my 4x8 tent lol. i run x2 1k watt horti's over 12 (x6 plants per 1kw) and dont see any other way to do it. these systems are of a very high caliber and if you want to get your moneys worth from it you are going to have step up your game all around (lights, grow room, green thumb etc etc...). im not trying to sound like a dick at all i think you got a great deal on a great system you just need to switch your mentality over in a new direction. search for "heath robinsons" threads, he has one where he grew 2 critical mass plants in two customized 5 gal water farms and i believe he would run 3 600 watters on them (bare bulb vert) with some insane results.

 

[rud3dog]

ok im going out on a limb here and saying that i doubt you grew 15 8-16 oz ladies in a 4x4 tent with a 600 and some cfl's! there is a total difference between what you are doing now and what you have done in the past plain and simple. these systems are meant to house some very large and heavy yielding plants (plants you would normally have to grow in a large trash can in soil) that is where the intense lighting comes in. i run a ebb and grow 12 site 2 gal system and i couldnt get 9 of my medium sized ladies in my 4x8 tent lol. i run x2 1k watt horti's over 12 (x6 plants per 1kw) and dont see any other way to do it. these systems are of a very high caliber and if you want to get your moneys worth from it you are going to have step up your game all around (lights, grow room, green thumb etc etc...). im not trying to sound like a dick at all i think you got a great deal on a great system you just need to switch your mentality over in a new direction. search for "heath robinsons" threads, he has one where he grew 2 critical mass plants in two customized 5 gal water farms and i believe he would run 3 600 watters on them (bare bulb vert) with some insane results.

Well I did grow females but not all of them beared 16 oz's nor did I make that claim. The whole reason I even put 15 in there was I was relocating and I had 15 and I figured I mihght as well flower them all or just throw them away. I got some killer blueberry White Widow UFO's and some ak48 ( which sucks). My brother just cut his crop down and he started with 12 and ended with 10. I dont know the exact weight of every plant but if your crops turn out like mine then you know you get some great plants and some just ok ones. I have no reason to lie nor did I post this thread to brag, I did it becuase of the dramatic differance I was told on another forum. I was told 1 600 watt to 1 plant on a UC hydro system. So unless there is somthing I dont know Im gonna grow one of them sea of greens with a 600 watt MH/HPS and 2 125 watt cfl's. Im growing OG Kush pure indica and they are smaller size plants and you can keep the ballast closer to them espeacially if you use a net to hold the plants side ways. This will be my first atempt but if I flower them early I would think Ill be ok. Im not interested in growing a massive bush and Im not trying to go for the record amount on a plant. I already have the seeds so why not, you know Im gonna get a few that wont make it.

 

[lordjin]

Well I did grow females but not all of them beared 16 oz's nor did I make that claim. The whole reason I even put 15 in there was I was relocating and I had 15 and I figured I mihght as well flower them all or just throw them away. I got some killer blueberry White Widow UFO's and some ak48 ( which sucks). My brother just cut his crop down and he started with 12 and ended with 10. I dont know the exact weight of every plant but if your crops turn out like mine then you know you get some great plants and some just ok ones. I have no reason to lie nor did I post this thread to brag, I did it becuase of the dramatic differance I was told on another forum. I was told 1 600 watt to 1 plant on a UC hydro system. So unless there is somthing I dont know Im gonna grow one of them sea of greens with a 600 watt MH/HPS and 2 125 watt cfl's. Im growing OG Kush pure indica and they are smaller size plants and you can keep the ballast closer to them espeacially if you use a net to hold the plants side ways. This will be my first atempt but if I flower them early I would think Ill be ok. Im not interested in growing a massive bush and Im not trying to go for the record amount on a plant. I already have the seeds so why not, you know Im gonna get a few that wont make it.

The ballast is the remote unit that controls the light's current, not the light.

Not that you're one of these, but I suspect a lot of guys around here throw out huge exaggerations on per plant yield... when we all know it's bullshit. An indoor guy getting a pound a plant? With a smaller light than mine in a larger space? How?

A plant that yields 16 ounces of dry bud would be so huge, it would have to be an outdoor tree or one of thost mega indoor plants as seen in professional concrete bunker type ops that have rows and rows of bare bulb 1000's placed vertically throughout.

I hear lotsa guys saying they get 8-16 ounces a plant... with less light and more space than me. If this is anywhere near the truth, they're growing big lanky plants with lotsa weaker lower fluff. For an indoor grower to get a pound a plant, he would have to veg it for a really long time to get it that huge... and so how does an indoor grower manage height on a plant that was allowed to veg for two months? You see where I'm going here?

Either that or when they say 16 oz a plant, it's the weight of the wet bud, not the dry bud.

 

[drgreentm]

Well I did grow females but not all of them beared 16 oz's nor did I make that claim. The whole reason I even put 15 in there was I was relocating and I had 15 and I figured I mihght as well flower them all or just throw them away. I got some killer blueberry White Widow UFO's and some ak48 ( which sucks). My brother just cut his crop down and he started with 12 and ended with 10. I dont know the exact weight of every plant but if your crops turn out like mine then you know you get some great plants and some just ok ones. I have no reason to lie nor did I post this thread to brag, I did it becuase of the dramatic differance I was told on another forum. I was told 1 600 watt to 1 plant on a UC hydro system. So unless there is somthing I dont know Im gonna grow one of them sea of greens with a 600 watt MH/HPS and 2 125 watt cfl's. Im growing OG Kush pure indica and they are smaller size plants and you can keep the ballast closer to them espeacially if you use a net to hold the plants side ways. This will be my first atempt but if I flower them early I would think Ill be ok. Im not interested in growing a massive bush and Im not trying to go for the record amount on a plant. I already have the seeds so why not, you know Im gonna get a few that wont make it.

if you are running a sog op you just purchased the wrong system straight away.

The ballast is the remote unit that controls the light's current, not the light.

Not that you're one of these, but I suspect a lot of guys around here throw out huge exaggerations on per plant yield... when we all know it's bullshit. An indoor guy getting a pound a plant? With a smaller light than mine in a larger space? How?

A plant that yields 16 ounces of dry bud would be so huge, it would have to be an outdoor tree or one of thost mega indoor plants as seen in professional concrete bunker type ops that have rows and rows of bare bulb 1000's placed vertically throughout.

I hear lotsa guys saying they get 8-16 ounces a plant... with less light and more space than me. If this is anywhere near the truth, they're growing big lanky plants with lotsa weaker lower fluff. For an indoor grower to get a pound a plant, he would have to veg it for a really long time to get it that huge... and so how does an indoor grower manage height on a plant that was allowed to veg for two months? You see where I'm going here?

Either that or when they say 16 oz a plant, it's the weight of the wet bud, not the dry bud.

i dont understand what you are trying to say jin? are you saying that you have to have 100's of bare bulb 1000's to achieve a 16oz plant? and when you say "has to be vegged a long time" where have you gathered that criteria from? i myself have vegged 18" plants in 3 weeks in 4x4 RW cubes under floros on a flood tray if i would have vegged for another 3 weeks it would have been like 3' before flower lol, so i mean come on do you really think many have not achieved/surpassed this weight off a single plant indoors?

 

[lordjin]

if you are running a sog op you just purchased the wrong system straight away.

i dont understand what you are trying to say jin? are you saying that you have to have 100's of bare bulb 1000's to achieve a 16oz plant? and when you say "has to be vegged a long time" where have you gathered that criteria from? i myself have vegged 18" plants in 3 weeks in 4x4 RW cubes under floros on a flood tray if i would have vegged for another 3 weeks it would have been like 3' before flower lol, so i mean come on do you really think many have not achieved/surpassed this weight off a single plant indoors?

No, it's not impossible. But it would take a surgical mastery of a strain garnered from generations of growing it to get 16oz off of one plant in a tiny grow area with anything less than a 1000w bulb. If I grew just one big plant, I could do it... even with lower yielding OG's... but just barely. And I'm burning 1000w in an unheard of tiny space of 4x2 metal enclosure. I see guys growing in the usual nft or flood tray method with an average light dispersal that is far weaker than mine, even though they are running multiple 600w hid's... because their grow space is so much larger and often not even enclosed...lighting up an entire room. And they say they're getting a pound off each plant? I don't think so. They're lovely, large plants I've seen, but no more than 8 ounces per... which is fuckin' fantastic in and of itself, but a far cry from an actual 1 pound plant. And I mean 1 dry pound.

And to the concrete bunker thing. I saw this undercurrent super op photo that showed a good example of plants 1 lb and beyond. I'll try to find it to show you what real one pounders look like.

Okay, found it. That didn't take long. These are one pound plants (more). Probably more like 20 ouncers, but it's the best example I could find. Look at those main stalks. The guys who say they grow one pounders? Their plants don't look like this. Not even close. And although they look fuckin' huge, we know that when the buds dry, they lose tons of weight. So an actual 16 dry oz or more of living bud is gonna look this huge and this magnificent on one plant. And we can see that these plants are easily a pound or more (I would say the runts in the bunch are only a pound and the big ones could possibly be pushing 2 or even an actual 2 or more pounds) because of the vertical bare 1000w bulbs that eliminate any lower fluff. The so-called 'one-pounders' usually growing with the inferior hoods from above. Of course I can't get my pound by just letting them grow into trees like this because of my limited space. I have to train hard.

 

[drgreentm]

those are nice, here are a few i found grown from the amazing heath robinson in a pretty simple and easy home made rdwc (top feed) and we are not talking a "undercurrent" system. this is one of the many threads he has on this site and has many many more around the net. again if i was to purchase a undercurrent system i would not want anything less than 8 zips a plant. anyway these pics are of 2 critical mass plants he says he vegged for 6 weeks under a vert 400 mh then flowered the standard 8 weeks, one plant is a 30 oz monster and the other is over 40 oz's (believable as hell with you vouching for your pics saying 20 ouncers) these plants where grown with x3 600w bare bulb verts. this guy is the definition of simplicity, pretty sure he uses a simple single part nute (base only) with no trimming, topping, pruning etc etc... pretty much if your system and room are dialed in very well people with these types of systems should see simular results.

 

[lordjin]

those are nice, here are a few i found grown from the amazing heath robinson in a pretty simple and easy home made rdwc (top feed) and we are not talking a "undercurrent" system. this is one of the many threads he has on this site and has many many more around the net. again if i was to purchase a undercurrent system i would not want anything less than 8 zips a plant. anyway these pics are of 2 critical mass plants he says he vegged for 6 weeks under a vert 400 mh then flowered the standard 8 weeks, one plant is a 30 oz monster and the other is over 40 oz's (believable as hell with you vouching for your pics saying 20 ouncers) these plants where grown with x3 600w bare bulb verts. this guy is the definition of simplicity, pretty sure he uses a simple single part nute (base only) with no trimming, topping, pruning etc etc... pretty much if your system and room are dialed in very well people with these types of systems should see simular results.

You don't seem to understand. I'm talking about guys who say they get a pound a plant when they're growing in a small space with just like a couple of 400's or 600's strung together in the corner of a room.

I'm not talking about Heath Robinson. Hell, if I had that much space, I'd veg the hell out of 'em and harvest a ton, too.

So when I say some yahoo with a 600 or 400 watt light is talking shit, you whip out Health Robinson's pictures to prove what point? A skilled grower with tons of practice with a certain strain can work wonders. I don't need convincing of that. But not everyone is Heath Robinson, though, are they?

Edit:

But if his methods of feeding are as 'basic' as all that, it's a ton of shit, but I doubt it's the best weed. And it's Critical Mass he's growing. With all due respect to Heath, an easy to grow large-budding strain. I'd bet anything that the weed in the picture I posted is better shit. Heath's buds just don't look as bright white with crystals from a distance... and the crop in the photo I posted is only on day 44. I'd rather have a smaller amount of great weed than tons of so-so weed.

And who in their right mind would spend money on a pre-built anything?

Edit 2:

I'm less impressed with growers getting large quantities out of massively grown trees in large spaces, and more impressed with growers getting good yields from a very small space using training techniques. The latter requires greater skill than the former imo.

 

[rud3dog]

Here is an update on my Grow set up. I was able to trade my 600 watt balyst and bulb to a 1000 with a solarmax HPS wich has 10%boost on the red spectrum . So now I have 1k watts HID and roughly 375 watts of cfl's. Currently Im using MH and all 12 plants are growing beautiful, I was even able to bring a small plant back to life that had no roots at all and now it has plenty of roots. I think I got plenty of light for the space I have. Almost 1,500 watts in a 4x4x8 tent with 12 indaca OG Kush plants. I keep planning on some of my plants to die but they dont so I always wind up with extra plants. I got a few monthers under a several T5's, they are seedlings but that is ok becuase I think Im just gonna veg the crap out of 3-5 plants for cloning. What do you all think about the set up now?