Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

[homebrewer]

HB- Been following for a long time, very inspiring. I want to try out the set up you're running and i have a few questions for you if it's ok?

Are you still running this feed schedule?
Transition (1250ppm for 2-3 weeks):
Grow 3.5
Bloom 5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 1.5

Bloom (1350 ppm for 4-5 weeks):
Grow 2.5
Bloom 7.5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 1.5

Ripen (1250ppm for 1-2 week):
Grow 0
Bloom 10.5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 0

Also i can't seem to find how you're feeding for veg? I will be starting with baby clones under a 1k hps, Using the 6in rock wool as well. Do you have a mat under the cubes or do they just sit in the tray? Oh and are you using the floralicious and the sweet still? Thank you so much!! Glad my first post was in such an informative thread

This schedule was sort of based off the DG feeding chart and both are too hot IMO. The protekt values are fine, magpro may not be needed unless you're running RO and the bloom, grow, protekt and water should come to just over 1 EC. Really depends on your plants and what works best for you.

For veg, I only need a few mls per gallon of grow and maybe 4mls of protekt. .6 EC i think?

I don't use a mat under the blocks and don't use sweet these days. I still use and love Floralicious plus at 1ml per gallon.

 

[nicedreamz]

Thanks for the quick response, i don't mean to take up your time but i'm pretty much a newbb. I'm not sure what conversion my meter is, and i also don't understand EC? I have the Oakton TDS ultra basic tester and it reads PPM, not sure if you're familar with that brand? Do you use a nute calculator or something? How do you know how to get the exact ratio for every stage of plant growth? I have read the dumpster thread and now this one and i can't seem to find it. If you posted that already my bad. I'm sure you get tired of repeating the same thing over all the time. I just have bombed my last 2 grows and really want to have a successful grow for once. Anyways thanks for your time greatly appreciated. Oh if you want i posted a link to the meter i have.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TDS-TESTR-Ultra-Basic-Oakton-/160640182985

 

[homebrewer]

Thanks for the quick response, i don't mean to take up your time but i'm pretty much a newbb. I'm not sure what conversion my meter is, and i also don't understand EC? I have the Oakton TDS ultra basic tester and it reads PPM, not sure if you're familar with that brand? Do you use a nute calculator or something? How do you know how to get the exact ratio for every stage of plant growth? I have read the dumpster thread and now this one and i can't seem to find it. If you posted that already my bad. I'm sure you get tired of repeating the same thing over all the time. I just have bombed my last 2 grows and really want to have a successful grow for once. Anyways thanks for your time greatly appreciated. Oh if you want i posted a link to the meter i have.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TDS-TESTR-Ultra-Basic-Oakton-/160640182985

I use an Oakton as well and I'm on the .7 conversion. Your manual should let you know. If not, give them a call. Also, google 'ppm to EC conversion' and there are several conversion charts out there. I like dealing in EC because of the different ppm scales. Best thing to do is add 5mls of your fertilizers to one gallon of tap water (after you know the ppm of your tap water), subtract out your tap water ppm then divide by five. This lets you know how much 1ml adds to a gallon of water. Once you know how potent each product is, do some math ( I prefer excel) and come up with feeding schedules based on the products you're using and the desired ppm/EC level. There is a learning curve but you're on your way.

 

[nicedreamz]

Thank you very much, I will be using RO water from my grocery stores water machine. My water reads 520 out my tap, unless you think i could make it work with it being so high? Do you feed baby clones a few mls as well? Or wait untill good roots have developed? Do you top feed until roots come out the bottom? Then start the flood & drain? Again thanks alot!!

 

[Highhopes99]

[/QUOTE]Nutrient concentration levels: This is one thing that is often overlooked by growers when factoring in the actual cost of a fertilizer. Take DynaGro for example; at near $50 per gallon, DynaGro doesn’t appear to be one of the most economical fertilizers on the market. One thing that the bottle wont tell you is just how concentrated the nutrient solution actually is. 1ml of DynaGro's grow and bloom into a gallon of water nets a final ppm (on the 442 scale or .7 conversion) of 220. 1 ml of Connoisseur A&B into a gallon of water nets a final ppm of 140 (on the 442 scale or .7 conversion), making DynaGro 157% more concentrated than Connoisseur. In other words, 2 gallons of DynaGro would last me about seven grow cycles whereas Connoisseur A&B would last just a touch over 5 grow cycles.

I always thought that the n/p/k ratio on the bottle was a percent ratio ?

so wouldn't a 1/ 3/ 2 Ratio have 66.6 percent more phosphorus than say a 1/1/2 ratio, at any given amount?

This would make the concentration determined on the label?

Any help? thx

 

[homebrewer]

I always thought that the n/p/k ratio on the bottle was a percent ratio ?

so wouldn't a 1/ 3/ 2 Ratio have 66.6 percent more phosphorus than say a 1/1/2 ratio, at any given amount?

This would make the concentration determined on the label?

Any help? thx

Koolbloom (0-10-10) is just as concentrated as florabloom (0-5-4) and hydroplex (0-10-6) is more concentrated than both. GH micro at 5-0-1 has them all beat so I don't think that the numbers or ratios on the bottle tells you much about the concentration level unless you're comparing liquid to dry in which dry is always more concentrated at any given weight.

 

[Nuthin2Serious]

So you top at about 6 inches, then two main stalks come out and you let them get to about 18 inches then flip into flower and begin supercropping for effective canopy coverage? How many weeks does this veg stage take on average? Also, I notice you corrected fimming to supercropping. What's your technique if I may ask?
Thanks.

 

[homebrewer]

So you top at about 6 inches, then two main stalks come out and you let them get to about 18 inches then flip into flower and begin supercropping for effective canopy coverage? How many weeks does this veg stage take on average? Also, I notice you corrected fimming to supercropping. What's your technique if I may ask?
Thanks.

15-18 inches in veg, less than 3 weeks yields a plant with a pretty branchy structure. Fimming is a form of topping, supercropping is just smooshing and bending stems for a 'passive topping' if you will. If a shoot is growing quicker than the others, it gets supercropped to slow it down and to allow the lower branches to catch up.

 

[nicedreamz]

I wasn't able to find if you're using the floralicious for the whole flowering period and how much per gal do you use? Also what do you use for ventilation? I picked up the GH coco mat, let you know how that works out. I know you like to turn your trees so you don't use one. But for me i like to place the RW on something either hydroton or crutons. Basically trying copy your setup minus the coco mat. Been following as guest since the dumpster thread.Thanks for all the info very helpful

 

[homebrewer]

I wasn't able to find if you're using the floralicious for the whole flowering period and how much per gal do you use? Also what do you use for ventilation? I picked up the GH coco mat, let you know how that works out. I know you like to turn your trees so you don't use one. But for me i like to place the RW on something either hydroton or crutons. Basically trying copy your setup minus the coco mat. Been following as guest since the dumpster thread.Thanks for all the info very helpful

Floralicious plus, 1ml per gallon and used only during flowering. I've thought about letting my roots expand into some sort of medium under my rockwool cubes, just haven't looked into it much. I only 'test' products and methods on dumpster and ak47 since i'm so used to how they produce and perform. Any difference either way and I can usually associate that back to the method or product. The reason I haven't looked into it much for the near future is because of my breeding project. Selecting keepers and running them through my hydro trays makes for inconsistent yields since these are the first time they're seeing my hydro system.

 

[hellraizer30]

homebrew hows things! I got a question or your thoughts on a ph issue! not a big one just every now and then il get a ph drop, it will go
from 5.8 to 5.5 within 24hrs. im useing a tea for bactiria control and im thinking its a die off of the bennys so I just drop the res clean her
up and start over. doent happen much just once in a great while. what are your thoughts on this?

 

[homebrewer]

homebrew hows things! I got a question or your thoughts on a ph issue! not a big one just every now and then il get a ph drop, it will go
from 5.8 to 5.5 within 24hrs. im useing a tea for bactiria control and im thinking its a die off of the bennys so I just drop the res clean her
up and start over. doent happen much just once in a great while. what are your thoughts on this?

Great White never affected my pH so I'm not sure that your bennies are the issue. What happens to your ppm when your pH drops (I bet it increases)? My guess would be that your plants aren't taking in nutes at the same rate as water which is causing a slight pH drop. If it happens more than 'every now and again', I'd look for patterns as far as which week or stage of flower it's occurring in or what your ppm is doing overnight. Ultimately I'd think the solution would be to cut feeding levels back by 5-10%.

 

[nicedreamz]

homebrewer thanks again, i just realized you already answered the floralicious question a few post back my bad!! Tonight i mixed up 80mls of pro and 65mls of gro to 25 gals of tap/ro and got 500 ppm, i know you said google the conversion but i leave early, get home late haven't found the time yet. Anyways my ph after adding that came to 6.5ish and took 3 caps of the GH down to get 5.9. Seems alot more then when using the GH nutes, do you have to add very much down? Or is it because i'm feeding kinda light on the nutes? My water before nutes was 100ppm at 7ph,

 

[tenthirty]

Way too much pro-tekt. Try 2 mil per gal to start.

 

[homebrewer]

homebrewer thanks again, i just realized you already answered the floralicious question a few post back my bad!! Tonight i mixed up 80mls of pro and 65mls of gro to 25 gals of tap/ro and got 500 ppm, i know you said google the conversion but i leave early, get home late haven't found the time yet. Anyways my ph after adding that came to 6.5ish and took 3 caps of the GH down to get 5.9. Seems alot more then when using the GH nutes, do you have to add very much down? Or is it because i'm feeding kinda light on the nutes? My water before nutes was 100ppm at 7ph,

Looks good and you're probably on the .7 conversion. I'm never concerned with the amount of pH stuff I need to use initially as if I do, it's the last time during a week that I'll touch the stuff. Your pH is a function of your tap water and what you're adding to it, your mileage will vary.

 

[nicedreamz]

Thanks Homebrewer

 

[hellraizer30]

Thanks homebrew il look into watching for a pattern.

 

[UPNSMOKE23]

Do you have any experience with gh maxi gro and maxi bloom? If salt build up is and issue do you flush or reduce the nutrients?
Would u do a test with gb vs maxi series?

 

[homebrewer]

Do you have any experience with gh maxi gro and maxi bloom? If salt build up is and issue do you flush or reduce the nutrients?
Would u do a test with gb vs maxi series?

I don't have any experience with the maxi series but I think the NPK ratio is pretty solid. Though I don't like the fact that iron is the only micronutrient it contains.

 

[burrr]

HB, if you were to grow just 3 plants under a 600, would you still use a 6" RW block? or would you go for something bigger.