Do you Support the Patriot Act?

[deprave]

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[Jack Harer]

The Government does!!

 

[The Ruiner]

I think that the American perception of its policies are so badly manipulated that items like the PA are NECESSARY.

We needed something that clearly states that domestic terrorists will be pursued. Terrorism is generational, thus, there are people here that could be "American Citizens" yet are planning to do harm to the country.

You can all start in and start hemming and hawing...but your rhetoric doesn't change a damn thing: We still have the highest degree of freedom, liberty, and safety in the world. And, so many of you here can still grow your weed in peace, even if the govt may even be able to bust you because they already know who you are and what you are doing. But they don't, because the reality is that it's just not worth it - there are REAL terrorists out there, and they want to find them, not fuck with paranoid stoners.

 

[The Ruiner]

Wow...FORECASTING is evil! Seriously, people have been doing this shit for years.

Some are actually very good at it...

 

[Jack Harer]

What constitutes a "domestic terrorist"? Anybody who has anything to do with drugs (MJ growers included) are in grave danger of falling into that category.

 

[deprave]

Wow...FORECASTING is evil! Seriously, people have been doing this shit for years.

Some are actually very good at it...

Not saying its evil, pretty cool stuff, in the wrong hands maybe, since the patriot act they can record everyones data and voice so...its like a super database of everything ...cool stuff...this is just consumer software...who knows what they have in those fusion centers

 

[The Ruiner]

What constitutes a "domestic terrorist"? Anybody who has anything to do with drugs (MJ growers included) are in grave danger of falling into that category.

"grave danger," give me a damn break. Dude, to even have a discussion with you about this you would actually have to have a historical perspective. Not some overblown rhetorical BS, but actual knowledge of people and events in modern history.

 

[The Ruiner]

Not saying its evil, pretty cool stuff, in the wrong hands maybe, since the patriot act they can record everyones data and voice so...its like a super database of everything ...cool stuff...

Dude, why would they waste the time on harmless growers? Now, if you were a mega-grower funneling money into projects that had aims of domestic terror, then you would have a problem. And just to be safe, just ASSUME that data-mining is ALWAYS taking place and being compiled into ever-more powerful super-computers. The reality is that it's already here. The perception is another story.

 

[deprave]

Dude, why would they waste the time on harmless growers? Now, if you were a mega-grower funneling money into projects that had aims of domestic terror, then you would have a problem. And just to be safe, just ASSUME that data-mining is ALWAYS taking place and being compiled into ever-more powerful super-computers. The reality is that it's already here. The perception is another story.

not saying they would, as I said earlier, highly unlikely I agree , but just saying the principle of the matter...the federal marijuana growing laws are fairly harsh, you can easily get 20 years or even life...and although nobody has ever had the death penalty there is a federal law that you could be executed. Again highly unlikely, and you must take risks in this life to be happy, and not live in fear....that is my motto...but it is morally wrong for it to be illegal period.

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[Jack Harer]

"grave danger," give me a damn break. Dude, to even have a discussion with you about this you would actually have to have a historical perspective. Not some overblown rhetorical BS, but actual knowledge of people and events in modern history.

Not rhetoric man. Richard Nixon declared that drugs were the greatest threat to national security, as has GHW Bush. A terrorist defined by PATRIOT is anyone who threatens National Security. Check it out.

I have what I consider to be just that. A historical perspective, and actual knowledge of modern events. I have watched as the erosion of our constitution has made that document a historical curiosity rather that the one thing that defined us as Americans and separated us fro the rest of the world.

 

[The Ruiner]

On forecasting, and what of it is available to the public, I recommend sites like STRATFOR.com and George Friedman's books like: The Next Decade, The Next 100 Years, America's Secret War...

The dude and his company know their shit.

Also, pay attention to global business, politics, not so much the domestic clusterfuck of rhetoric we get here, get some from other countries as well. Learn to read it as a map, not necessarily 100% truth.

 

[The Ruiner]

Not rhetoric man. Richard Nixon declared that drugs were the greatest threat to national security, as has GHW Bush. A terrorist defined by PATRIOT is anyone who threatens National Security. Check it out.

I have what I consider to be just that. A historical perspective, and actual knowledge of modern events. I have watched as the erosion of our constitution has made that document a historical curiosity rather that the one thing that defined us as Americans and separated us fro the rest of the world.

I mean a knowledge of ACTUAL terrorist organizations, their families, their assets, etc...I mean actual dedicated research, not rhetoric.

 

[Jack Harer]

Dude... cool your jets. This is a civil discussion, not an argument. No need to lambaste anyone for their 2 cents.
There would be only a handful of people with knowledge of actual terrorists and their families. Who has ACTUAL knowledge of THAT? Not researchers. Mostly second hand info there.

 

[Prefontaine]

Not rhetoric man. Richard Nixon declared that drugs were the greatest threat to national security, as has GHW Bush. A terrorist defined by PATRIOT is anyone who threatens National Security. Check it out.

I have what I consider to be just that. A historical perspective, and actual knowledge of modern events. I have watched as the erosion of our constitution has made that document a historical curiosity rather that the one thing that defined us as Americans and separated us fro the rest of the world.

well being that pot is synonymous with free-thought and questioning the system, it is obvious that the "drug" community would be seen as an internal threat to the power structure, that coupled with the fact that much of the "drug" community is armed means that anyone speaking out against the power structure would logically be a potential terrorist, so we are indoctrinating a generation of people with terrorism as a big boogey man, this wedge driven into society will allow further and further control/safety measures within our society, this preparation for a CIVIL WAR that has been foreseen by the government,

 

[The Ruiner]

Dude... cool your jets. This is a civil discussion, not an argument. No need to lambaste anyone for their 2 cents.
There would be only a handful of people with knowledge of actual terrorists and their families. Who has ACTUAL knowledge of THAT? Not researchers. Mostly second hand info there.

This is what I mean...the actual knowledge is lacking. What is the point of trying to explain that known or suspected terrorists that are in the country, involved in events 30, 40, even 50 years ago have an effect on what is happening today? It takes a lot of understanding, research, and patience. But, this knowledge is out there.

 

[Jack Harer]

We know for certain that terrorists are out there. We had, among many other groups, the SDS, The Black Panthers, and Baader Mienhoff (just to throw in a foriegn group) in the '60s, Radical Islamists in the 80's '90's and The John Birch Society, the KKK, and the list goes on. I am well aware of that, and the fact that we must be vigilant because of that. But the PATRIOT act and FISA are too broad and far reaching. They are like closing the door after the dog got out. They target terrorists. Define terrorist. PATRIOT defines it as anyone or anything that threatens our National Security. That is way too broad, and can be applied as they wish against anyone they wish. our founding fathers would be labeled terrorists under PATRIOT
Do not make the mistake of thinking I am not up on current affairs, or have no knowledge of foreign nationals. I have close family friends in Lebanon, Syria, Saudi, and Morocco, with whom I have entrusted my children while they were over there expanding their horizons. Having spent a whole lot of time over there myself, I have a decent understanding of Islam. I lived a few years in Colombia and know several members of the M-19 and the Shining Path. I did not develop these friendships based on studying terrorists, that was an accident of fate. I know that the Tamil are threatening stability in Ceylon, because I have some pretty close friends who live there, and that the Taliban are bad guys. If I've left anyone out there, please enlighten me.

 

[The Ruiner]

That's quite a change of heart from 40 minutes ago...when NOBODY had any knowledge, now you are your own fountainhead.

 

[Jack Harer]

Oh I had the knowledge, I was just unsure of what you meant by the comment, and I try not to flaunt shit out there. I have no idea how old you are, but never underestimate anyone. I'm over 55 with a Masters degree, and have been to more countries, and spent time there, than many people have been to cities, both while in the military and as a civilian. I am one of those irritating people who learn things about the people and places I visit, and retain that knowledge. I have a great understanding of world affairs, and how they affect us here at home.
Unlike most people, I have READ the PATRIOT I and II and FISA, just because I wanted to know how it would affect my kids. Not that they give a rats ass.

 

[The Ruiner]

Yeah...rock on, dude.

 

[dukeanthony]

We know for certain that terrorists are out there. We had, among many other groups, the SDS, The Black Panthers, and Baader Mienhoff (just to throw in a foriegn group) in the '60s, Radical Islamists in the 80's '90's and The John Birch Society, the KKK, and the list goes on. I am well aware of that, and the fact that we must be vigilant because of that. But the PATRIOT act and FISA are too broad and far reaching. They are like closing the door after the dog got out. .

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