Hey bishs, sorry I have not been round much the last few weeks. To answer this question I believe that the roots in a small chamber will get oversaturated and will literally be the same to them as ebb/flow. You will have a much easier setup just building an ebb/flow and not have any loss of performance in my mind as compared to an aero setup in a smallish container. If you dial in your ebb/flow system correctly, you can get very good results. If you like to see some pics of such results, check out homebrewer's threads. He has a very simple setup, and focuses heavily on proper nuting/environmental conditions. I think he grows some of the better plants I've ever seen, and has minimal upkeep for his system. The thing with aero is if you want to reap the results, you'll have to really make sure the roots all get mist, but don't get too wet. Because of mechanical limitations you'd never be able to get a mict cycle time low enough to achieve this while also ensuring the roots are all getting misted. A larger chamber allows a mist head in every direction, but their combined mist wont get the chamber too wet as you can control the mist by having .5 second burts or so, the mist will expand and move out in all directions before hitting a wall and dripping down the sides. You could try a single mist head in a small chamber, but then the roots will have dry spots as there simply isn't enough room for the mist to expand and move around before it makes contact with the walls and sticks to them, so you would need more mist heads, but you could never have a cycle time low enough to not oversaturate the chamber (think hundredths of a second timing, or something rediculously unnattainable). Hope this clarifies some things for you.I'm wondering, would a ebb and flow produce greater results compared to a hp aero setup with a small chamber? I was really aiming for the aero setup but i dont see the point if i cannot reap the benefits. Someone please convince me lol.
Why are using rockwell or stg cubes instead of just using an aero cloner? You can clone with your aeroponic system if you want.I am back to using S2G/Rockwool starter cubes with my new found PVC couplers. As you can see they all look alike, but the one on the left has wide bottom mouth and short thread area, which readily allows mist IF you mist from BELOW. Yeah I first used the others and had dead root issues.
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Don't recall whether this was in S2G or RW. You CAN forgo a small net pot, but will need to add a neoprene disc around the main stalk before the plant gets too heavy and falls through. Inside the coupler is a > 1/4" lip that holds the puck/plant. As the main stem diameter increases it pushes the neoprene against the side walls, preventing free-fall. Of course, I learned this the hard way. hth
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If I was cloning there would be no need, but I am growing from seeds
What part eludes you? I'm just starting to try aero cloning so no advice just hoping for a heads up as to where things go south.I'm in the process of trying riot cubes, as aero cloning alone seems to elude me.
I thought about this vs keeping a mother as well. Are you planning on vegging them for 6/7 weeks while you current crop flowers? I thought this would be to long but who knows?I plan to let roots show in the cubes, in my humidome, hand watered once per day... Then I plan to transfer to a small bubble rig, to establish some root mass, and finally to my hpa rig. Talk about a pain. I'm really hoping those cubes get the job done. Really, my whole plan is counting on it. If they root without flaw, I think I'll be able to ditch the idea of keeping a mother, and cut clones just before, or early into flower for the next go.
OMG. I just bought a bag, and completely forgot to try them on these seeds. DohHave you tried root riot?
Could you post a picture of your set? What nozzles are you using? How much time do you have them on/off?I've not been able to get a single aero clone to work out. My first attempt, I got roots, but by the time I did, the clone was in pretty bad shape. This time around, I'm having trouble even getting roots. I picked up the rapid rooters a few days ago. I think they will help me get roots started, and I'll try & keep that as the only medium.
i was thinking i could cut clones as late as a month into flower, giving me a bit more of a window, but I'm really not too sure how that's gonna work out. I'd really like to not have to keep a mother. I feel, if timed right, a clone could have just the right amount of growth/root mass, to pop right in as the flowering ladies are finishing. Its a learning curve. I'm gonna figure it out one way or another.
If you're getting 90-100% the I'd like to ask you those questions and also how do you select the cuttings?Could you post a picture of your set? What nozzles are you using? How much time do you have them on/off? .
I haven't been using high pressure to get clones started, in fact the moms I'm cutting from are in dirt. I started with LP sump+ez-cloner nozzles+air stone in a bucket setup. That didn't work out too well. Then I made a bubble cloner, with again, not great results. This time around I got em in a rapid rooter, in a 3" net cup w/hydroton, and plan to pull em out of the cup as roots begin to show, and it's back in the bubble cloner. I don't want my plants growing through net cups. Seems a bit restrictive. They've been going a couple of days now. I really hope it works this time.Could you post a picture of your set? What nozzles are you using? How much time do you have them on/off?
You can clone in plain water and get 90-100% clones, but it is faster if you use cloning powder. You can pick sum up for $5.
Ok, so mine is a 5G bucket with 6800 driving 4 Tefen nozzles mounted around the rim.Basically I make a normal aero cloner but with tefen nozzles and 8800 aquatec pump. I use 6 or 8 nozzles pointed upwards towards the cuttings.
I've ever done cloning before....Take normal cuttings just like you would in any other system.
At what point do you start to feed them?I use rooting powder and plain water. I personally feel using a humidity dome helps, and/or misting. I mist 15 seconds on 2:30 seconds off until I see roots, then start lowering the misting time. I have some larger clones right now and have them at 2 seconds and 1:30 off. Don't go to fast or they will try out.