Have You Seen Any Weird Shit?

[Erniedytn]

"When you eliminate the impossible, then whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

I would love to apply this statement to this story, but unfortunately there are too many possibilities.

We can rule out a bear, and a horse for sure. Plus, you say it walked on 2 legs, so that rules out ANY 4 legged animal.

We still cannot rule out someone playing a hoax, but you did say that was unlikely. Are there any stories of "old crazy people" living anywhere in the woods near that area?

Then of course we have the possibility that it was Bigfoot (assuming that Bigfoot is real), but then again you say it wasn't Bigfoot, but more like a Yeti, which has white hair and live in the snowy mountains (again, assuming that the Yeti is real). This is where it gets tricky for me because we CANNOT rule this out as we cannot DISPROVE it's existance. There is more evidence that it DOES exist than not.

That leaves us with:
1. Someone playing a hoax.
2. Someone doing something weird/crazy/horrific that you just stumbled upon.
3. Bigfoot/Yeti

Can we rule any of these 3 things out 100% in your opinion oscarmiya?

email, since I'm doing my "homework" did I miss anything here? I figure that if I can think like a skeptic, I will be better equipped for the argument next time.

 

[email468]

I would love to apply this statement to this story, but unfortunately there are too many possibilities.

We can rule out a bear, and a horse for sure. Plus, you say it walked on 2 legs, so that rules out ANY 4 legged animal.

We still cannot rule out someone playing a hoax, but you did say that was unlikely. Are there any stories of "old crazy people" living anywhere in the woods near that area?

Then of course we have the possibility that it was Bigfoot (assuming that Bigfoot is real), but then again you say it wasn't Bigfoot, but more like a Yeti, which has white hair and live in the snowy mountains (again, assuming that the Yeti is real). This is where it gets tricky for me because we CANNOT rule this out as we cannot DISPROVE it's existance. There is more evidence that it DOES exist than not.

That leaves us with:
1. Someone playing a hoax.
2. Someone doing something weird/crazy/horrific that you just stumbled upon.
3. Bigfoot/Yeti

Can we rule any of these 3 things out 100% in your opinion oscarmiya?

email, since I'm doing my "homework" did I miss anything here? I figure that if I can think like a skeptic, I will be better equipped for the argument next time.

Since you asked - you can't rule out a bear and leave bigfoot in there as a possibility. I mean, we know bears exist and can walk on two legs. Excellent job on including the hoax possibility. If I were grading, I would count your number 2 and number 3 as the same thing.

 

[oscarmiya]

Well...
There was one old dude. He was real old. He didn't exactly LIVE in the woods but he spent most all of his time there. He had a house about a mile and half from where I was at the time. This guy was probably about 65 years old. I want to rule his ass out as playing a prank like that because I couldn't Imagen that man walking like what I saw and doing something like that BUT then again this mother fucker all he did when he was chop wood. He had no electric in his house and he spent about 90% of his time in the woods, gathering wood. I am pretty sure he is the one who built the 4x4 shacks out there too. Some of them had shit in them.. like old magazines and some old radio phonograph things.. all beat up and shit... real weird shit.. this guy freaked ALL of my friends out, including me on more than one occasion. For example.. This dude had beaten down wheel barrel tracks going all over through out the woods where he gathered wood and was bringing it to where ever the hell he brought it. If he was out in the woods, he HAD a wheel barrel with him that he was pushing. So I was out Hunting, Deer Hunting and I was walking out to my stand. My brother was with me... Walking along and the next thing I hear was some grunt mumble sound come from behind me. I stopped and turned around with my gun raising to my shoulder not knowing what the fuck was behind me and what do I see.. this old mother fucker WITH his wheel barrel about 10 feet behind me. I dont know how the hell he got that close behind us while we were walking, TRYING to not scare any deer. He started trying to talk to me and my brother but he could barely talk... or I could barely understand him. Almost like he didn't know english but could some what mumble shit out here and there. Dude looks like he was about 90 but he was my friends neighbor and my friends Mom has known him for a while and said he was in his 60's. Also.. this dude NEVER wore shoes... When he was out in the woods.. he was barefoot the ENTIRE time..

I am getting side tracked in my little adventures but all and all I don't think it was that guy. He was only about 5 ft tall, maybe a hair taller and Died about a year later from natural causes (pretty sure he had a stroke). I wouldn't put anything paste that creepy old bastard but again, I just couldn't see it being him.

But about this old dude... lol this guy is interesting. When he died.... my shady ass friend kinda 'broke' into his house and took a couple lock boxes and a chest, all of which were locked. It's not as shady as it sounds but I don't want to get into the details of all that. Point is, after breaking open the lock boxes we found a bunch of letters like he never sent written to someone. There was some notes but most interesting was there was all kinds of checks, never cashed written to him for Thousands of dollars. In the chest there was a couple furs, a knife with a lot of detail carved in the wood handle and a bunch of weird OLD tin winde up toys. They were kind of neat and all looked pretty old. Also in the chest was more checks and a few bank statements from a bank in Alaska, one of which was showing over $300k+ in it. When the people who he gave his property to in his will were cleaning out his house, they found 2 Full Gold Bars in a safe under his bed- in the wall. He didn't have a car either... man.. I dont know how long this post is.. but its getting late.. I need to goto bed..

 

[ace1059]

ok so i have another story that is cRAAzzys

so im crashin at my friends house for a couple of days, so he said to me that they are renting the house from someone and the person that lived there murered someone in the house, so my friends mom said that there was bad spirits in the house, My friends family alawase had problems, like in the middle of the night i could hear them screaming or arguing and my friend saying hes gonna shoot someone or hurtem...you know he gets all fired up sometimes.

so im there at night and were smokin sum black&milds outside, i remember before we left we turned of the t.v. and the gamecube.
so were out on the pourch jus chillin and candy (there dog) starts barkin and runnnin around in the house, we go in there and the dog appears to be chasing the air because hes runnin around in circles ( not little circles but around the whole house) so wer like the dogs on crak lol then we go to the room and the tv is one and the gamecube is tured on, the game is fukin paused!

i dont know what iit was ..im thinkin demons...my friend also told me sometimes he hears footsteps goin down there stairs...so i dont know what the fuk is wrong with his house lol

 

[Erniedytn]

Since you asked - you can't rule out a bear and leave bigfoot in there as a possibility. I mean, we know bears exist and can walk on two legs. Excellent job on including the hoax possibility. If I were grading, I would count your number 2 and number 3 as the same thing.

I ruled out the bear because apparently it walked a good distance on 2 legs. How far can a bear walk on 2 legs? (Google time!) Also, are bears native to Illinois? There are black bears in the Appalachian mountains, but they don't get THAT big.

How can I count a hoaxster and Bigfoot as the same thing? There is a possibility that Bigfoot exists.

 

[Erniedytn]

Well...
There was one old dude. He was real old. He didn't exactly LIVE in the woods but he spent most all of his time there. He had a house about a mile and half from where I was at the time. This guy was probably about 65 years old. I want to rule his ass out as playing a prank like that because I couldn't Imagen that man walking like what I saw and doing something like that BUT then again this mother fucker all he did when he was chop wood. He had no electric in his house and he spent about 90% of his time in the woods, gathering wood. I am pretty sure he is the one who built the 4x4 shacks out there too. Some of them had shit in them.. like old magazines and some old radio phonograph things.. all beat up and shit... real weird shit.. this guy freaked ALL of my friends out, including me on more than one occasion. For example.. This dude had beaten down wheel barrel tracks going all over through out the woods where he gathered wood and was bringing it to where ever the hell he brought it. If he was out in the woods, he HAD a wheel barrel with him that he was pushing. So I was out Hunting, Deer Hunting and I was walking out to my stand. My brother was with me... Walking along and the next thing I hear was some grunt mumble sound come from behind me. I stopped and turned around with my gun raising to my shoulder not knowing what the fuck was behind me and what do I see.. this old mother fucker WITH his wheel barrel about 10 feet behind me. I dont know how the hell he got that close behind us while we were walking, TRYING to not scare any deer. He started trying to talk to me and my brother but he could barely talk... or I could barely understand him. Almost like he didn't know english but could some what mumble shit out here and there. Dude looks like he was about 90 but he was my friends neighbor and my friends Mom has known him for a while and said he was in his 60's. Also.. this dude NEVER wore shoes... When he was out in the woods.. he was barefoot the ENTIRE time..

I am getting side tracked in my little adventures but all and all I don't think it was that guy. He was only about 5 ft tall, maybe a hair taller and Died about a year later from natural causes (pretty sure he had a stroke). I wouldn't put anything paste that creepy old bastard but again, I just couldn't see it being him.

But about this old dude... lol this guy is interesting. When he died.... my shady ass friend kinda 'broke' into his house and took a couple lock boxes and a chest, all of which were locked. It's not as shady as it sounds but I don't want to get into the details of all that. Point is, after breaking open the lock boxes we found a bunch of letters like he never sent written to someone. There was some notes but most interesting was there was all kinds of checks, never cashed written to him for Thousands of dollars. In the chest there was a couple furs, a knife with a lot of detail carved in the wood handle and a bunch of weird OLD tin winde up toys. They were kind of neat and all looked pretty old. Also in the chest was more checks and a few bank statements from a bank in Alaska, one of which was showing over $300k+ in it. When the people who he gave his property to in his will were cleaning out his house, they found 2 Full Gold Bars in a safe under his bed- in the wall. He didn't have a car either... man.. I dont know how long this post is.. but its getting late.. I need to goto bed..

Man.....you got some good stories dude. That is really interesting, especially that last paragraph. If I could rep you again I would.

So the place where you seen the "Yeti", was this any part of his stomping grounds? What time of year was it...winter, summer, spring or fall? Could this old dude have made some sort of getup out of old animals and shit; like Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs?

This just keeps getting better!

 

[Erniedytn]

I just realized that I have hijacked this thread with my own agenda, so I'll participate as well.

Even though I absolutely love stuff like this, I have never seen ANYTHING out of the ordinary in my entire life. I have however, had a strange experience. My dad was diagnosed with cancer in 2003, and passed away in August 2004. There at the end he was in and out of the hospital alot. I'm not going to get into the details, but basically the night before he passed, he was once again admitted to the ICU in the local hospital. I had elected to stay home because they would only allow one person in the ER as well as ICU, so I figured I would just go up there when he was checked into a regular room as I always had, and let my mom be by his side until then. Later that night the hospital litteraly kicked my mom out of the ICU at 11:00 PM sharp when visiting hours were over. She came home, filled me in on his status, and we went to bed. The next morning I awoke at 6:18 AM to someone pushing on my shoulder, as if they were gently nudging me to wake me up. I rolled over and seen no one, I then looked at the clock to see what time it was, and promptly rolled over to go back to sleep. About 20 minutes later my mom woke me up, and with tears in her eyes she told me that my dad had passed, the hospital had just called and informed her. Of course we cried and consoled each other, and after I could muster up the nerve to speak, I asked when it happened. Wiping the tears away from her eyes, and taking everything she had to say the words, she looked at me and said "About 20 minutes ago, at 6:18."

To this day I truly believe that was my dad's way of telling me goodbye.

 

[oscarmiya]

Man.....you got some good stories dude. That is really interesting, especially that last paragraph. If I could rep you again I would.

So the place where you seen the "Yeti", was this any part of his stomping grounds? What time of year was it...winter, summer, spring or fall? Could this old dude have made some sort of getup out of old animals and shit; like Buffalo Bill from The Silence of the Lambs?

This just keeps getting better!

I have never seen the old dude in the field.. but his stomping ground was in the woods were the 'thing' went. I really want to say its not him but again I have no proof so to answer that question, it could have been him... it could have been anyone\anything but there has to be a logical answer... however considering the circumstances of this sight... there is no evidence to prove otherwise.

Heh, I found that guy interesting/freaky also, which is why I shared that story about him. We refered to him as 'The Hermit', as he never really left his home/woods.

 

[oscarmiya]

I just realized that I have hijacked this thread with my own agenda, so I'll participate as well.

Even though I absolutely love stuff like this, I have never seen ANYTHING out of the ordinary in my entire life. I have however, had a strange experience. My dad was diagnosed with cancer in 2003, and passed away in August 2004. There at the end he was in and out of the hospital alot. I'm not going to get into the details, but basically the night before he passed, he was once again admitted to the ICU in the local hospital. I had elected to stay home because they would only allow one person in the ER as well as ICU, so I figured I would just go up there when he was checked into a regular room as I always had, and let my mom be by his side until then. Later that night the hospital litteraly kicked my mom out of the ICU at 11:00 PM sharp when visiting hours were over. She came home, filled me in on his status, and we went to bed. The next morning I awoke at 6:18 AM to someone pushing on my shoulder, as if they were gently nudging me to wake me up. I rolled over and seen no one, I then looked at the clock to see what time it was, and promptly rolled over to go back to sleep. About 20 minutes later my mom woke me up, and with tears in her eyes she told me that my dad had passed, the hospital had just called and informed her. Of course we cried and consoled each other, and after I could muster up the nerve to speak, I asked when it happened. Wiping the tears away from her eyes, and taking everything she had to say the words, she looked at me and said "About 20 minutes ago, at 6:18."

To this day I truly believe that was my dad's way of telling me goodbye.

Sorry to hear that shit man. This kind of stuff right here is what really gets interesting to me and I'm glad you shared that story. Very weird but very interesting. I have heard other similar stories... one of which I will share below.

I absolutely do not believe in the Bible. I am not religious by any means and will argue EVERY point you try and make about the book, however something similar happened to me with my Grandma who was very close. It went down like this....

My brother was looking for a vehicle to buy. My dad, mom, brother and grandma went out to take a look at this white jacked up truck my brother was eying. While my bro and rents were checking it out, grandma and myself were in the car horsing around, lightly hitting each other, as we normally did... we were pretty close. The very next day I came home from school, I noticed my Pop's was home which was unusual. I walked in the house and Dad told me he found grandma on the floor by their bed. She had a pretty bad stroke and was at the hospital. We got in the car and headed over there. My close family was all there and my grandma was pretty much barely hanging on. She had enough energy to squeeze my hand but her eyes never twitched or her head never turned. The next day she got worse and I was told the truth that she may not make it through the week. There were 5 people allowed to stay in the room with her over night. Both of my older brothers, my dad and my dads 2 sister stayed over night. The next day I got called down to the office and as I gained site of the office, I seen my mom standing there with puffy eyes. I instantly started to tear up because I knew what happened. I understand old age and natural death is inevitable but what really seemed to make me uneasy was the fact I never got to say Goodbye. I kicked and scream when I was told I couldn't stay with her the last night she was alive and then to have her pass that night was crushing. To get the similarity between the stories....
The same night she passed, I was sleeping in bed and had a crazy dream. I had a dream I was in the school library and out from a hallway came walking my Grandma. In my dream I freaked out because I subconsciously knew she passed that morning. I remember waking up and my heart racing with this crazy picture of my grandma, still alive, at my school walking towards me. The Very next night I had another dream. This time my Grandma was in a VERY large prairie looking field. Tall grass, blowing in the wind like a wave sweeping across the ocean. There 3 or 4 big stone pillars... kind of like the big stones at Stone Hedge. They were not in a row, or circle but what looked to be randomly placed, some what close to each other in this endless field. Leading to the Largest pillar, also the furthest away from my perspective, was stairs. Up top of the pillar was what looked like a door frame with the door opened- inwards. My grandma was standing on top of the pillar, in front of the door. Beyond the door was nothing but a completely blinding white light. I could see absolutely nothing past the door frame. My grandma looked at me, did not say a word, waved her hand to me, smiled and walked through the door. I remember watching her disappear beyond the frame into the light. I woke up, what I thought was right after she disappeared and felt a LOT better about not getting a chance to say goodbye. I have NEVER had one single dream about my Grandma again. I know its JUST a dream. A thought in my subconscious mind. To me though it meant the world. I felt since I never got a chance to say goodbye, she tried to show up in my dreams to say goodbye. The first time I freaked out so she gave me one last chance before she left for good. Scientifically, I kind of think it was my mind making up for the emotions and regret I felt at the time. Deep down though I really have to believe my Grandma cared to much to just leave me go like that. Some kind of connection. I needed some kind of closure and oddly enough, my subconscious mind gave me just that. Or is there really a connection with the recently deceased, you know? Before they are gone for good their 'spirit' or whatever stays for a few.... Thats a whole other can of worms that I don't think fits this thread but it is something to kind of think about... Another unknown that will never be answered.

I have too many damn stories- peace man

 

[Erniedytn]

That was awesome dude...very similar indeed. Right after my dad passed I had dreams about him nightly as well, but it was only for like the first week. He would just sit there, never saying a word. I would ask him things like "How is this possible?", and "How are you still here, I watched them push you into the creamatorium!"(sp?) But he never said a word; he would just sit there smiling. But yeah, that's a whole new thread in itself.

Now, if we can just figure out what the hell you saw! I know it's highly unlikely that you will ever know for sure, but it's still fun to investigate.

 

[flowergurl]

What a beautiful story...still wiping the tears out of my eyes. How much more at peace you must feel with some closure. Whether it was your subconsicous, a spirit, energy...whatever, wherever it came from was
exactly what you needed at the time.

Sorry to hear that shit man. This kind of stuff right here is what really gets interesting to me and I'm glad you shared that story. Very weird but very interesting. I have heard other similar stories... one of which I will share below.

I absolutely do not believe in the Bible. I am not religious by any means and will argue EVERY point you try and make about the book, however something similar happened to me with my Grandma who was very close. It went down like this....

My brother was looking for a vehicle to buy. My dad, mom, brother and grandma went out to take a look at this white jacked up truck my brother was eying. While my bro and rents were checking it out, grandma and myself were in the car horsing around, lightly hitting each other, as we normally did... we were pretty close. The very next day I came home from school, I noticed my Pop's was home which was unusual. I walked in the house and Dad told me he found grandma on the floor by their bed. She had a pretty bad stroke and was at the hospital. We got in the car and headed over there. My close family was all there and my grandma was pretty much barely hanging on. She had enough energy to squeeze my hand but her eyes never twitched or her head never turned. The next day she got worse and I was told the truth that she may not make it through the week. There were 5 people allowed to stay in the room with her over night. Both of my older brothers, my dad and my dads 2 sister stayed over night. The next day I got called down to the office and as I gained site of the office, I seen my mom standing there with puffy eyes. I instantly started to tear up because I knew what happened. I understand old age and natural death is inevitable but what really seemed to make me uneasy was the fact I never got to say Goodbye. I kicked and scream when I was told I couldn't stay with her the last night she was alive and then to have her pass that night was crushing. To get the similarity between the stories....
The same night she passed, I was sleeping in bed and had a crazy dream. I had a dream I was in the school library and out from a hallway came walking my Grandma. In my dream I freaked out because I subconsciously knew she passed that morning. I remember waking up and my heart racing with this crazy picture of my grandma, still alive, at my school walking towards me. The Very next night I had another dream. This time my Grandma was in a VERY large prairie looking field. Tall grass, blowing in the wind like a wave sweeping across the ocean. There 3 or 4 big stone pillars... kind of like the big stones at Stone Hedge. They were not in a row, or circle but what looked to be randomly placed, some what close to each other in this endless field. Leading to the Largest pillar, also the furthest away from my perspective, was stairs. Up top of the pillar was what looked like a door frame with the door opened- inwards. My grandma was standing on top of the pillar, in front of the door. Beyond the door was nothing but a completely blinding white light. I could see absolutely nothing past the door frame. My grandma looked at me, did not say a word, waved her hand to me, smiled and walked through the door. I remember watching her disappear beyond the frame into the light. I woke up, what I thought was right after she disappeared and felt a LOT better about not getting a chance to say goodbye. I have NEVER had one single dream about my Grandma again. I know its JUST a dream. A thought in my subconscious mind. To me though it meant the world. I felt since I never got a chance to say goodbye, she tried to show up in my dreams to say goodbye. The first time I freaked out so she gave me one last chance before she left for good. Scientifically, I kind of think it was my mind making up for the emotions and regret I felt at the time. Deep down though I really have to believe my Grandma cared to much to just leave me go like that. Some kind of connection. I needed some kind of closure and oddly enough, my subconscious mind gave me just that. Or is there really a connection with the recently deceased, you know? Before they are gone for good their 'spirit' or whatever stays for a few.... Thats a whole other can of worms that I don't think fits this thread but it is something to kind of think about... Another unknown that will never be answered.

I have too many damn stories- peace man

 

[valuablevariable]

Lets get this going again.
My take on seeing shit when in your bed is that your still half sleeping or have a fever. I have two experiences with seeing shit in my bed. The first was when i was maybe like 10, i woke up in the night and saw fucking spiders everywhere on the bed, like big tarantulas. I didnt totally freak out and run away but i was hiding under my blanket. It was very real sort of like in fear and loathing in las vegas. You see this shit around you and your like whats going on.
The second time i woke up and saw people in my room. This time i was probably a little younger and it was like i had woken up but my dream now continued while i was awake. My mom came in the room and i still didnt quite snaped out of it. I remember her asking me if i had taken drugs. Turns out i had a fever and was hallucinating.

My real questionable experience was when i was building something late night in my parents garage. I was fully awake and sober at the time, maybe 18 years old, and i looked over at the door that enters into the garage and saw a small black thing sort of run through that door into the garage and right into another door about 6 feet away that lead to a little sectioned off room where all the tools etc are. Now i have a little black dog but this thing was a little smaller and rounder. I just froze and didnt move for like a minute. Then i took a shovel that was next to me and slowly headed to where that thing ran into. Nothing, no dog, no creature.
That was the only time i saw something and couldnt explain what it was.
However i think its at least as likely that my mind made up this black thing as it is likely that it was some kind of ghost or whatnot. I never thought it had to be something supernatural but it was fun having seen something strange.
Even scarier was when later the shovel fell over behind me (just hadnt placed it well against wall), THAT scared the shit out of me.

 

[purplehaze2]

me my brother and my mom were hanging out in our rooms I think she was reading a story to us we were 14 and 16 well I look up in my room and I saw an eyeball starring at us threw the window .I blinked and the eye ball was still there,well I freaked out and grabbed my 22 long rifle.when I got to the back yard 2 guys were heading to the bushes on the backside of my yard. well I was freaked out so I shot at them like 10 shots I blew out the niebors car window across the street and popped one guy in the leg.well my dad was in the airforce at the time so he got court marshaled down a rank .of course it was his bosses window i shot out. and my dad wasnt to pissed because he said I was protecting the family.the bullet went into the guys leg and out and into his ankle.My dad had to pay for his surgery . so from this day on say hello to my little fried.heehheh

 

[FrostyTHEgrowmaN]

That famous Bigfoot movie footage from the 60's has been digitally analyzed and has been proven to not have been a hoax. with the enhancement you can actually watch the muscles on the face move as the creature turns to face the camera. and the fact that they used 8mm grainy film and could have no way (40 years ago) to have foreseen the possibility of digital enhancement tools also lends major credence to the fact it wasn't hoaxed. they have also done computer generated models and have proven that the gate and walking characteristics are well outside the range of humans so it isn't possible that it was a man in a suit. not to mention if you look close the bigfoot has huge titties who would think of that

 

[email468]

That famous Bigfoot movie footage from the 60's has been digitally analyzed and has been proven to not have been a hoax. with the enhancement you can actually watch the muscles on the face move as the creature turns to face the camera. and the fact that they used 8mm grainy film and could have no way (40 years ago) to have foreseen the possibility of digital enhancement tools also lends major credence to the fact it wasn't hoaxed. they have also done computer generated models and have proven that the gate and walking characteristics are well outside the range of humans so it isn't possible that it was a man in a suit. not to mention if you look close the bigfoot has huge titties who would think of that

this is not true. There is plenty of evidence (and common sense) that tells us this is just another - in a long list - of bigfoot hoaxes ... just a few items as food for thought...

1) Bob Hieronimus, a close associate of Patterson and Gimlin, claimed to be the guy in the suit. Multiple friends and relatives not only back up his story, and claim they were aware of it in 1967, but also claim to have seen the suit in his trunk before Patterson and Gimlin reclaimed it. Add to this a confession by a known maker of gorilla suits that claimed to have sold Patterson a suit, which he was fully capable of modifying. I mean, what are the odds that the best footage we have to date was shot by a guy who was purposefully out to film Bigfoot, with a rented camera, at a time when having and renting cameras was not commonplace. Smells fishy to me.

2) Despite the claims, many independent experts have stated that the footage seems to depict a person of human height and girth, with a human center of balance, walking with a gait (albeit forced) within human means.

3) The breasts (glad you mentioned them) probably molded on so as to explain why this Bigfoot wasn't 8 feet tall (being a smaller female), were covered with fur - an anomaly in the primate world. The fur also seems to be of uniform length all over the creature, further indication of a costume. Add to that the immobile fur diaper, and you got...monkey suit!

4) Failure of Patterson and crew to pursue the creature after the 60 seconds of footage, even when the creature was not moving very fast. Footage is jerky and amateurish, even to a ridiculous degree. No attempt to manually zoom into subject and the film is full wide the whole time.

5) Failure of anyone, anywhere to get better footage than this in almost 40 years despite advanced equipment like trip cameras and the almost universal presence of hand held cameras tells me the creature does not exist.

6) Patterson and crew where on horseback clomping through the woods and snuck up on one of the most elusive creatures?!?

7) The footprints taken from the scene don't have any toes!

8 )Patterson and company agreed beforehand not to shoot the bigfoot (a very good idea if your buddy is wearing the costume).

9) Patterson only had 2 minutes of film left? Why -- how many other bigfoots was he filming?

10 ) let's go back to the rented camera - this guy has to be the luckiest in the world - as he rented a film camera (very expensive and unusual 40 years ago) and was fortunate enough to see and film a bigfoot the very first time out!!! Coincidence, luck, or bullshit? you decide.

That's just a few - I'm sure you can come up with more reasons the footage... and bigfoot is baloney.

 

[40acres]

When i saw tree climbing mutants when i was at home, I just assumed that one of my family members was drunk.

 

[kronicsmurf]

I've seen and heard a lot of weird shit but i'd be afraid of being labeled crazy or kooky i'm 46 and some of the things i've experienced i don't even want to believe

 

[email468]

I've seen and heard a lot of weird shit but i'd be afraid of being labeled crazy or kooky i'm 46 and some of the things i've experienced i don't even want to believe

I am around that age and have also seen some pretty inexplicable things. But when i took the time to investigate my own and others weird phenomena - i've always found a natural explanation - or at least a possible natural explanation.

and when i looked closer at other folks odd occurrences, it was far easier to look past my own bias and see natural explanations.

 

[purplehaze2]

well at least someones older than me .

 

[email468]

well at least someones older than me .

there are quite a few of us oldsters around! welcome!