How Do We Eradicate Religion From Modern Society?

[Filthy Phil]

It seems that this thread has changed from how do we end religion to "why do athiests amd agnostics dislike us religious folk?" I think its a hard thing for you guys (religious folk) to get your head around. Think of it this way, I used to go to college at FSU, Florida state... Its a big football college, and during big games as many as 100,000 EXTRA people would come to Tallahassee for the games. The town would be filled with people, packed. It was a lot of fun deffinately, but also, parties get destructive, traffic is longer, the town gets trashed, lots of fights, drunk driving accidents, blah blah blah. So, id you are a person who hates football, and doesnt like to party, you might have seen this all with a view like, "you come to our town, the place is trashed, my friend got beat up, there was a car accidnt down the road, and a couple peole probably died of alcohol poisoning! And all for what, some stupid fucking game?!?"

In this example, we agnostics and athiests are the non partiers who dont like football, you religious people are the drunken sports fans who piss all over the town and fuck it all up for the rest of us. And all for what, some STUPID FUCKING STORIES?!? You see?

Thats how I view it at least, you bring detriment to the progress and security that the responsible ones of us are trying to create and ensure, and you do it all so noisilly. No one would have a problem with your religion if it were capable of genuinely not impacting the rest of us.

 

[Carne Seca]

That is a terrible analogy. It makes absolutely no sense. Did you even bother to read my previous post?

I can turn it around and use Communism as the "drunk football fans."

 

[Luger187]

That is a terrible analogy. It makes absolutely no sense. Did you even bother to read my previous post?

I can turn it around and use Communism as the "drunk football fans."

isnt that why we tend to see communism as bad? we have been shown the negatives of it get out of hand.

 

[bud nugbong]

i thought it was a good analogy. if you wanna belive then belive, but why try and convert other people and change other peoples lives. and rape children

 

[Carne Seca]

You think Christians cornered the market on child rape? It's rampant in all societies and ideologies. That's people. It's always just people. The dogma doesn't matter because you can take any ideology and twist it to fit an agenda. I have never tried to convert anyone. I'm a firm believer in free agency. And Luger I agree that true communism is a wonderful ideal but look what happens when it's in place. Corruption.

 

[Filthy Phil]

That is a terrible analogy. It makes absolutely no sense. Did you even bother to read my previous post?

I can turn it around and use Communism as the "drunk football fans."

Well I didnt ask you to AGREE with the analogy, and its cool if you dont, I'm just trying to tell you how some of us see it and why we dont like the religious. Disagreement is irrelivant because our view, unlike yours, doesnt require others to agree. Considering the while world hates y'all, maybe you shoukd try to understand WHY

 

[grizlbr]

I Believe in god and Jesus for his moral teachings. I don't follow other gods because I don't agree with them. First off I "worship" him alone and don't go to church because those people are usually hypocrites when it comes to their own beliefs. Anyway why should they stop building places of worship? Does it offend you when you see a building of worship? Either way they shouldn't care what you think of their building because they have the right to follow their beliefs. I don't indoctrinate children nor do I agree with it, but it's their child and you are in no place to tell people how to raise their children. Instead of getting mad at people for indoctrinating their own children why don't you go get mad at abortion, child labor, pedophiles, and just bad parenting? I don't see Religious people turning people's houses into places of worship nor do I see people indoctrinating atheists kids who's parents do not allow indoctrinating. So they leave you alone so why don't you leave us alone. Maybe when you stick to your own beliefs then we can call a truce.

"That all might come to the knowledge of the truth." You understand in your spirit unless you claim not to have one.

 

[grizlbr]

Well I didnt ask you to AGREE with the analogy, and its cool if you dont, I'm just trying to tell you how some of us see it and why we dont like the religious. Disagreement is irrelivant because our view, unlike yours, doesnt require others to agree. Considering the while world hates y'all, maybe you shoukd try to understand WHY

As stated you do not have to agree BUT if We are correct and there is a judgement what will you be judged on "your works"?
Or that every word was recorded?

 

[Filthy Phil]

As stated you do not have to agree BUT if We are correct and there is a judgement what will you be judged on "your works"?
Or that every word was recorded?

See, thats what I mean, our beliefe doesnt require that you believe it. You say yours doesnt either, but thats a lie. You believe that if we dont agree with you we will burn in fire forever. Sounds to me like you think we have to believe it. and we all know this too, that all you religious people look at us and judge us that we are wrong, that we'll burn in hell forever. If you disagree with mine, unlike you I dont damn you for all eternity, I just look down on you. The thing Ir find wierd about you guys is you make the jump from believing there is a god to all these other things, like we KNOW what god is, that jesus is tje sun of god (ha), that he was born a virgin (hahahaha), that he wasnt murdered by romans but voluntarilly died for OUR "sins" and that god has a bunch of rules for your life. Its so unrealistic, this god of yours. &nd he must be a racist too the way he decides to treat white people so damn well. Whatever...

 

[XxM1k3YxX]

?What is religion when I can smoke, and enjoy my company as long as I'm not told what to do I'm fine with tht. and yes I did have a small issue with school :]

 

[XxM1k3YxX]

Should all just learn to Co exist. Shouldn't be fighting each other, should be fighting that damn Government..

 

[Hepheastus420]

Here I posted this on another thread but feel it would fit better on this thread.

everything has the potential to cause a negative impact. some examples:
Music- it can cause depression or influence people into acting in a negative way.
Movies- has the same potential as music.
School- a kid may be bullied and shoot up the place.
Those are just from the top of my head, my point is that it can be beneficial but it depends on how you use it. People don't want to eradicate music, movies, or school just because of the negative impact it can have on a person. So IMO religion shouldn't be hated to this degree either unless you want to start making threads to get rid of everything else in this world that has the potential to cause negativity.

 

[Luger187]

Here I posted this on another thread but feel it would fit better on this thread.

everything has the potential to cause a negative impact. some examples:
Music- it can cause depression or influence people into acting in a negative way.
Movies- has the same potential as music.
School- a kid may be bullied and shoot up the place.
Those are just from the top of my head, my point is that it can be beneficial but it depends on how you use it. People don't want to eradicate music, movies, or school just because of the negative impact it can have on a person. So IMO religion shouldn't be hated to this degree either unless you want to start making threads to get rid of everything else in this world that has the potential to cause negativity.

people dont kill eachother because someone likes a different kind of music. music doesnt hinder a persons education like religion can. i guess if you listened to music that told you that you suck all the time you might get depressed(though in this case, other factors are probably there). but usually music is uplifting for me and takes me out of depression. thats because people listen to music they enjoy.
can you tell me a negative impact of music?

movies can affect young people if it is too violent or sexual for their age. other than that, i dont see it affecting people much. ive never been depressed by a movie and they dont make people go out and do bad things. its just entertainment and people know that its not real.
can you tell me a negative impact of movies?

a child shooting up the place because he was bullied wasnt something caused by the school. the bully caused it, and the kid either didnt tell anyone or didnt get help. then he loses control and makes a drastic decision to kill everyone. kids make stupid decision, especially when under stress like that.
our society would crumble if we had no schools. it is necessary for a society to run efficiently.

 

[munch box]

Religion is not going anywhere! Its always been a part of humanity, and always will be. There is nothing anybody can do to change that. Without freedom of religion, there would most likely be no freedom at all.

vot Ron Paul wants freedom 2012!

 

[Hepheastus420]

people dont kill eachother because someone likes a different kind of music. music doesnt hinder a persons education like religion can. i guess if you listened to music that told you that you suck all the time you might get depressed(though in this case, other factors are probably there). but usually music is uplifting for me and takes me out of depression. thats because people listen to music they enjoy.
can you tell me a negative impact of music?

movies can affect young people if it is too violent or sexual for their age. other than that, i dont see it affecting people much. ive never been depressed by a movie and they dont make people go out and do bad things. its just entertainment and people know that its not real.
can you tell me a negative impact of movies?

a child shooting up the place because he was bullied wasnt something caused by the school. the bully caused it, and the kid either didnt tell anyone or didnt get help. then he loses control and makes a drastic decision to kill everyone. kids make stupid decision, especially when under stress like that.
our society would crumble if we had no schools. it is necessary for a society to run efficiently.

Exactly. If someone goes crazy from a song, movie, or bullying there is something else wrong with that person and either the music, movie, or bullying set him off. Much like religious nutjobs. If someone kills someone else because that person doesn't believe in their belief then there is something else wrong with that person.
What my previous post was saying is that many things have the POTENTIAL to directly affect a Person in a negative manner. I'm not gonna lie and say religion doesn't have that potential, but I will say that it's not religions fault that some people become crazed and use their religion to justify their actions. But if atheists want to get rid of religion so bad then make it fair and get rid of everything that has a negative impact on a person.

 

[olylifter420]

This dudes aint never gonna listen heph and will always ignore valid points or misunderstand them purposely.

Fuuny thing is that most other atheists dont think like these dudes do, they actually hate atheists like these guys, they too see their hypocrisy

Exactly. If someone goes crazy from a song, movie, or bullying there is something else wrong with that person and either the music, movie, or bullying set him off. Much like religious nutjobs. If someone kills someone else because that person doesn't believe in their belief then there is something else wrong with that person.
What my previous post was saying is that many things have the POTENTIAL to directly affect a Person in a negative manner. I'm not gonna lie and say religion doesn't have that potential, but I will say that it's not religions fault that some people become crazed and use their religion to justify their actions. But if atheists want to get rid of religion so bad then make it fair and get rid of everything that has a negative impact on a person.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

In simple terms, the answer is education and promotion of critical thinking. With this approach not only can we eliminate the potential evil inherit to dogmatic religion, we can also preserve the benefits, such as hope, humanistic pride, and inspiration. The goal is not to eradicate the idea of god, but dogmatic adherence to certainty in God.

you tell them bro, these fools who refuse to accept their ignorance in the face of their fears

 

[Hepheastus420]

you tell them bro, these fools who refuse to accept their ignorance in the face of their fears

First may I ask if this question was aimed towards me too? And if it is can you tell me what my fears are?

 

[Heisenberg]

First may I ask if this question was aimed towards me too? And if it is can you tell me what my fears are?

You can answer this better than he. He was referring to fools who choose ignorance for the sake of fear. Does this apply to you? If so, what are your fears? Don't mean to imply anything, I don't know you well enough to say, thus the reason for questioning.

 

[Hepheastus420]

You can answer this better than he. He was referring to fools who choose ignorance for the sake of fear. Does this apply to you? If so, what are your fears? Don't mean to imply anything, I don't know you well enough to say, thus the reason for questioning.

That's the thing I have no fears. If you translate the first bible you do not come out with the definition of hell many organized "Christian" religions use to scare people into following their religion. Instead what you come out with is the word sheol which means grave in English. So that means (IMO) that if we do not get to go to heaven we simply become worm food and continue the beautiful circle of life. So really I have no fears, after death I only have to look forward to giving someone else or another animal the opportunity of life or hopefully go up to heaven. So back to zach why do you call me a fool and say I can't face my ignorance due to these fears that I do not have?