Irish Boys Return Of The Inferno With The Spectra 180's

[fartman]

the light is 35 inches away heres my feeding diagram


Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.


so your saying use more guanos or wut?

the jamacain guano is high phosporous

and the peruvian seabird guano is high nitrogen

dont know what k is

 

[stoneyluv]

the light is 35 inches away heres my feeding diagram


Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.


so your saying use more guanos or wut?

the jamacain guano is high phosporous

and the peruvian seabird guano is high nitrogen

dont know what k is

yea, maybe more guanos. is the little bit of kelp the only place you get your K from?

 

[fartman]

yes that the recipe irish gave me tell me exactly what to do please should i go from 2/3 cups to 1 cup on the guanos and instead of 5 teaspoons kelp ,maybe 7 1/2?

 

[BlazedMonkey]

^^^ Awesome responses Thanks for the info stoney/ kawizzr

 

[stoneyluv]

yes that the recipe irish gave me tell me exactly what to do please should i go from 2/3 cups to 1 cup on the guanos and instead of 5 teaspoons kelp ,maybe 7 1/2?

man that's a tough call for me.... I'm a bit out of element with the organic tea's. lets wait for Irish on this one. It's his recipe, He'll know what to modify at what amount.... sorry I can't help ya.

 

[Shwagbag]

yea, maybe more guanos. is the little bit of kelp the only place you get your K from?

Molasses is a great source of K as well as other micros

 

[Kaptain Kron]

something to note irish i checked on my agent orange which is under a blackstar and single kessil. The blackstar side is producing more trichs, i have two theories as to why, theory one is the blackstar is more intense than a single kessil is and has a higher saturation point, i have a hard time believing this because of the technology kessil uses to project their light. Im more inclined to believe that the blackstar has a better spectrum for trichome production, either way this is disapointing to me as i dont really want another blackstar and was going to go kessil but now im not so sure anymore not real happy about the trichome production. Its not abnormally low or anything quite to the contrary its really damn frosty just not as frosty as the other side -_-. Gonna be lookin real hard at these spectras now if im going to buy any more panels for the reason that i know they will yeild much more than my BS, hopefully with the same trichome production. What a dissapointment, nug density feels the same from one side to the other also the kessil sides nugs are just as big as the other sides. so no loss in yeild per say in the saturation area. Odd, annoyingly odd.... time to start saving some money for new lights to test. Im still very satisfied with the results i got from my kessil im just down because i see so many more trichs on the other side.

 

[irishboy]

Hey stoney and irish, most LED panels ive seen are rated to last about 50,000ish hours. Any thoughts on the accuracy of these statements?
Also like HPS would the bulb start to become less efficient with age and output less light?

Just curious if you have any experience, or knowledge with this

never had the long enugh.lol. 50,000 is a very long time.lol. ive read they will dim down by that time but nothing like HID

View attachment 1779311View attachment 1779310do you know why my plants yellowing around bud sites and how to fix it?

looks like a iron def to me! whats ur PH run off? make sure its in range! folair spraying with seaweed should help.. dont ask how much to mix because all brands are different i can answer that one but the bottle should say? you could bump the lights up a bit if it makes you feel safer but that dosent look like what ive seen looks just like zinc or off gassing from PVC. make sure ur PH in good?

I haven't owned mine long enough to say for sure on the 50K but i believe it. I bet they would even exceed that time.

and yes even diodes slowly lose effecncy and brightness over time. it's at a much slower rate than HID's and CFL's but they do degrade over time.



that looks just like the issue i was having.... give them more nutes. don't go overboard but increase them a little. I ended up switching to an all purpose 20-20-20 nute. I'm not saying that you should bo this, I'm sure more P and K would help just fine and more bloom nutes could fix your problem.

as Irish has said many times, these ligts are no joke and they really work the plants hard!!! they suck all the juice right out of them!!! try keeping them fed more.

how far away are your lights?

well said

LED output will degrade over time as well, but the 50,000 hr rating most companies use is a 30% benchmark for loss of output. That's why they recommend that as the lifespan of the lights. The lights should last well past that point, just with diminishing returns. After 50,000 hrs they'd still probably make really good veg lights, just might not want to flower with them. This doesn't really matter though as 50,000 hrs is about 11.5 yrs of 12/12 so long before that point there will probably be much better flowering lights and you'll have demoted any current panel to veg only anyways.

well said, thanks for the info

yes that the recipe irish gave me tell me exactly what to do please should i go from 2/3 cups to 1 cup on the guanos and instead of 5 teaspoons kelp ,maybe 7 1/2?

remember thats not a recipe i made that a organic ones that popular. i just get made doc dude and dump a little here and their and just make my own teas. if it were me i would be mixing some seaweed always! and some Earth Juice micro blast. Humic acid should always help things get taken better. the key is always knowing ur PH run off is in range. almost all issues are from bad PH

man that's a tough call for me.... I'm a bit out of element with the organic tea's. lets wait for Irish on this one. It's his recipe, He'll know what to modify at what amount.... sorry I can't help ya.

na not my recipe, just a tea brew that many use and he was looking for one.. all my teas are in my head i dont really measure just go by eye

Molasses is a great source of K as well as other micros

yes it is! seaweed is the best though

something to note irish i checked on my agent orange which is under a blackstar and single kessil. The blackstar side is producing more trichs, i have two theories as to why, theory one is the blackstar is more intense than a single kessil is and has a higher saturation point, i have a hard time believing this because of the technology kessil uses to project their light. Im more inclined to believe that the blackstar has a better spectrum for trichome production, either way this is disapointing to me as i dont really want another blackstar and was going to go kessil but now im not so sure anymore not real happy about the trichome production. Its not abnormally low or anything quite to the contrary its really damn frosty just not as frosty as the other side -_-. Gonna be lookin real hard at these spectras now if im going to buy any more panels for the reason that i know they will yeild much more than my BS, hopefully with the same trichome production. What a dissapointment, nug density feels the same from one side to the other also the kessil sides nugs are just as big as the other sides. so no loss in yeild per say in the saturation area. Odd, annoyingly odd.... time to start saving some money for new lights to test. Im still very satisfied with the results i got from my kessil im just down because i see so many more trichs on the other side.

damn bro that sucks! i am all about quality and thats always my main goal... it has nothing to do with the power bro, its the spectrum all the way that will make frosted buds. at the end i dont think you will get any less frost from the spectras because those things frost up plants for sure and the 2011 ive seen some frost. at the end if you needed a light right now i would go BS because quality is everything. i would hold off if you could until i test out these brand new spectras! trust me bro if i get frost in these 100F+ temps you will be more then good on the frost!..lol. i am about to flower soon so we can see whats up? i know the 2010's gave me crazy frosted dank so i just need to varafiy the 2011.. from the pics ive seen i am pretty happy about frost with them its just the heat is what has me worried heat just kills frost!

thanks for sharing that info with us!

 

[Shwagbag]

Speaking of the seaweed, here is a great eBay vendor I bought my humic/fulvic blend and azomite from. Check out their store, lots of goodies and great prices. Their support is top notch, I emailed them yesterday and got responses to my questions in minutes. The link is for the seaweed powders but check out the rest of their store its a nice selection.

http://stores.ebay.com/The-Organic-...840779013&_sid=23660683&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

 

[hippy132]

but try it yourself... rise and lower the light and look at the penetration. no matter what i do i still have purple perlite!! life is good!

Thanks for the points , but will u only see purple perlite if you used large chunky stuff?

 

[Shwagbag]

but try it yourself... rise and lower the light and look at the penetration. no matter what i do i still have purple perlite!! life is good!

Are you saying the penetration is very good even at the extreme distances?

 

[hippy132]

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/362114-hippy132.html

Irish, thought I would post my new grow info, hope u dont mind... appreciate almost all and any help.

 

[Kaptain Kron]

no problem, i got 100 degree temps too your not alone my shit is frosty as balls, theres no real nug yet but its so damn frosty i could probably get a half in just bubble lol

never had the long enugh.lol. 50,000 is a very long time.lol. ive read they will dim down by that time but nothing like HID

looks like a iron def to me! whats ur PH run off? make sure its in range! folair spraying with seaweed should help.. dont ask how much to mix because all brands are different i can answer that one but the bottle should say? you could bump the lights up a bit if it makes you feel safer but that dosent look like what ive seen looks just like zinc or off gassing from PVC. make sure ur PH in good?

well said

well said, thanks for the info

remember thats not a recipe i made that a organic ones that popular. i just get made doc dude and dump a little here and their and just make my own teas. if it were me i would be mixing some seaweed always! and some Earth Juice micro blast. Humic acid should always help things get taken better. the key is always knowing ur PH run off is in range. almost all issues are from bad PH

na not my recipe, just a tea brew that many use and he was looking for one.. all my teas are in my head i dont really measure just go by eye

yes it is! seaweed is the best though


damn bro that sucks! i am all about quality and thats always my main goal... it has nothing to do with the power bro, its the spectrum all the way that will make frosted buds. at the end i dont think you will get any less frost from the spectras because those things frost up plants for sure and the 2011 ive seen some frost. at the end if you needed a light right now i would go BS because quality is everything. i would hold off if you could until i test out these brand new spectras! trust me bro if i get frost in these 100F+ temps you will be more then good on the frost!..lol. i am about to flower soon so we can see whats up? i know the 2010's gave me crazy frosted dank so i just need to varafiy the 2011.. from the pics ive seen i am pretty happy about frost with them its just the heat is what has me worried heat just kills frost!

thanks for sharing that info with us!

 

[stoneyluv]

Thanks for the points , but will u only see purple perlite if you used large chunky stuff?

all perlite glows... if it's to small to see, just put your hand or a piece of white paper there. the whole idea is that you find the sweet spot between penetration and coverage.

Are you saying the penetration is very good even at the extreme distances?

mine does. my lights are at about 3' away from the canopy and my entire floor glows. and my cabinet is stuffed!

 

[fartman]

can i put the humic acid in with the guanos or do i have to do it seperate,im waiting on ph meter from ebay,i made a kelp folar it stinks lol
if u want me to quit asking questions just say the word aint tryin to put u out

 

[Kaptain Kron]

those are with the new models? I wonder would he send them out with both power packs because i use my led's on two differnt style cabs one i scrog and i dont have a lot of height space so i'd need the less powerful one but the other i got PLENTY of height because i designed it so i could do vert grows with an hps if i decided to. If i could get one with 2 power supplys that would be the shit.

all perlite glows... if it's to small to see, just put your hand or a piece of white paper there. the whole idea is that you find the sweet spot between penetration and coverage.



mine does. my lights are at about 3' away from the canopy and my entire floor glows. and my cabinet is stuffed!

 

[hippy132]

all perlite glows... if it's to small to see, just put your hand or a piece of white paper there. the whole idea is that you find the sweet spot between penetration and coverage.



mine does. my lights are at about 3' away from the canopy and my entire floor glows. and my cabinet is stuffed!

OK, I went in with white paper and still no glow, how hi must one be to see glo? but, I did notice tips were starting to burn a kittle so I raised the lites some more and starting to see what I think is, (wait a min, puff, puff, puff...)nope still no glow. I do know what you mean about the glo, just not seeing it...plants seem to be growing

 

[irishboy]

Speaking of the seaweed, here is a great eBay vendor I bought my humic/fulvic blend and azomite from. Check out their store, lots of goodies and great prices. Their support is top notch, I emailed them yesterday and got responses to my questions in minutes. The link is for the seaweed powders but check out the rest of their store its a nice selection.

http://stores.ebay.com/The-Organic-...840779013&_sid=23660683&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

very cool thanks bro! i am about to get humic made from BioAg its said to be the best and even their site will teach you allot about that stuff. but i am trying to move to the dry seaweed because it last allot longer. so thanks!

Are you saying the penetration is very good even at the extreme distances?

mine is, ive been fine with my lights 40" above my plants. i am just starting to lower my lights allot more to test out what i can get away with on these new lights i just got? at 28" right now from my bigger ones. all i am using is 2x180's and its lighting up my 4x4 tray because of how high i can keep them. their is a grower thats keeping 1x290w 4" the whole grow to see what happens?

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/362114-hippy132.html

Irish, thought I would post my new grow info, hope u dont mind... appreciate almost all and any help.

thanks bro, ill check it out latter

no problem, i got 100 degree temps too your not alone my shit is frosty as balls, theres no real nug yet but its so damn frosty i could probably get a half in just bubble lol

just means it will be better once it cools down, because i get more frost when its cooler for sure

can i put the humic acid in with the guanos or do i have to do it seperate,im waiting on ph meter from ebay,i made a kelp folar it stinks lol
if u want me to quit asking questions just say the word aint tryin to put u out

yes you can mix them. you need to get a PH meter thats whats going t tell you whats going on? the seaweed should help some, its one of the best things you can feed the girls. remember the only stupid question is the ones not asked. asking questions is how we learn my friend!

those are with the new models? I wonder would he send them out with both power packs because i use my led's on two differnt style cabs one i scrog and i dont have a lot of height space so i'd need the less powerful one but the other i got PLENTY of height because i designed it so i could do vert grows with an hps if i decided to. If i could get one with 2 power supplys that would be the shit.

not sure? to be honest i dont think its a huge different from each light, theirs is a difference put i am still getting penetration just as good. might be because the glass is out? i do know if the older models are hung close and not adjusting certain things you can fry the crap out of the girls! their very strong.. most that are going by a few of my theory's i posted on here have no issues.

OK, I went in with white paper and still no glow, how hi must one be to see glo? but, I did notice tips were starting to burn a kittle so I raised the lites some more and starting to see what I think is, (wait a min, puff, puff, puff...)nope still no glow. I do know what you mean about the glo, just not seeing it...plants seem to be growing

you see no glow with the paper? is the light on? LMAO! just joking around.lol.. i put my hand sometimes, the key is to watch ur girls and see how they react.

 

[hippy132]

Question, getting ready for first watering and want to water with tea, got lots of nutes from person that had to get out of growing , can I addd to tea at beginning or make tea with molasses and several types of bat shit then add prior to watering?

Examples of nutes available:
BC - Grow and Boost
Techniflora - Sugar Daddy
Earth Juice - Grow
Magical
Organic Nitrogen

 

[irishboy]

Question, getting ready for first watering and want to water with tea, got lots of nutes from person that had to get out of growing , can I addd to tea at beginning or make tea with molasses and several types of bat shit then add prior to watering?

Examples of nutes available:
BC - Grow and Boost
Techniflora - Sugar Daddy
Earth Juice - Grow
Magical
Organic Nitrogen

not sure never used those ntes. you do not need allot of nutes when their young, and be easy on the gunaos you can burn ur plants if over doing it. the main thing you want to foucse on is getting ur Micro life good. for the 1st feedings seaweed sould do the trick or just the EJ grow and magical? allot matter on ur medium ur using also some soils have enough food to last 3 weeks and you can over due things buy adding allot of stuff. earthworm casting and seaweed are a great starting tea they once done brewing for 24-36hrs you can add gunaos. you dont want to add gunaos until the end of the brewing because it can make the tea go bad if not done right. the best thing to do is read and read on google about teas, organics are easy but you have to learn them 1st of you can have issues and its allot harder to fix a issue with organics