Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

[max316420]

Dude seriously,wtf like? Why the HPS bashing?

Just cos these dudes clearly don't know anything about LEDs bar the shite they might have read before LEDs got good but there's no need to lash back.

To the two LED bashers here,a 3w chipset LED can match actual watt for watt with HID they're just 3-4x more expensive watt for watt...that's why not as many people use them...but they do match HID and only produce 15% of the heat (this is essential to some).

The data is there to support what I say,if you's are too ignorant to accept it then that's your personal problem.

And I'm a MH/HPS user btw so consider that before you respond

And just cause the "data" is there doesn't mean it works in the real world...

 

[hoss12781]

LED's can't even compare to HID's lololololololololol Get real DUDE....

Sweet Caramel Autoflower, close to five weeks old. Every bit as big and nasty as it would have been under hps. Which leds did you use and how did you have them set up or are you just along from the troll with footclan?

 

[hoss12781]

using full 3w chipsets ... in the real world. My lights are under warranty for 3 years. The cost of hps bulb replacement and electricity over those three years makes up for the upfront cost of my lighting choice. Also my buds are way frostier than they ever were under hps. There are a lot of bullshit led companies out there that give this tech a bad name. Before you drop your pants and shit on them experiment with quality leds panels. That's what I did - I used to run two 400w air cooled hps lights. I won't be going back.

If you had a bad experience with leds share it so others can benefit from your first hand experience instead of rants about this that or the other.

 

[Harrekin]

And just cause the "data" is there doesn't mean it works in the real world...

A quick search of your username tells me you're a noob, so maybe you should stfu before talking about stuff you've no clue about?

Arrogant noobs on this site piss me right off, especially when they say they'll outgrow stuff. LOL!

EDIT: And just cos you grow lots at once, doesnt make you an expert btw

DOUBLE EDIT: Using a light meter for testing different types of light against each other... *facepalm*. Ever heard of PAR? Specific wavelengths? Go back to school boy.

 

[puffenuff]

I don't like to get caught up in pissing contests so im just going to say I’ve used every kind of lighting minus plasma and next to the sun, leds are my preference. Theres so many other areas of value in growing with leds compared to hid. I find those who make unfounded claims wallow in ignorance and are too hard headed to reason with. The haters persistently commenting negatively about leds find themselves on my ignore list pretty fast these days.

 

[Harrekin]

But do you not feel its your duty to educate these people? I fought it hard at first...but you cant argue with solid numbers. 180-200 grams-ish off a 250w LED...Ill have that thanks!

 

[Kaptain Kron]

yep thats about what i got with LOTS of room left for improvement, i've been growing for too many years to have some haterade noob ass grower who thinks hes the shit cause he can post his grow online and let other noobs look at it. S1 who thinks how many posts i've made matters and that since i havent posted any good pics i cant possible grow, well let me tell you somthing man, little do you know but A LOT of the dispensaries in so cal are supplied now by a few growers down here USING LED's they are using the ones irish boy is using its a socal based company, i've had vanilla kush grown off of those lights FUCKING BOMB, you cannot tell me, when i've grown with MH CMH HPS LED panels, Kessil LEDs, OLD style LED panels made by SUN SYSTEMS, bet you didnt know sun systems ever made an led panel. Take your fuckin haterade somewhere else. What is the point of coming in here? YOu know your not going to win this fight? The reason you cant convince us HPS will kick our ass is because 90% of us made the switch from hps, and are still pulling the same amount, i think the answer is clear, this is LED territory if you dont like this thread or the people in it go make a thread that says LED"s suck balls everyone who hates em lets hate here.

Grow up and get some balls go experiment with something and better yourself.

But do you not feel its your duty to educate these people? I fought it hard at first...but you cant argue with solid numbers. 180-200 grams-ish off a 250w LED...Ill have that thanks!

 

[curly604]

ya man seriously with these fuckin guys " i can out grow this" or "i can out grow that" ......... these people are fuck ups IT IS NOT A COMPETITION ......... but if you would like it to be ....... no prob bro. i am about to pull about 2 oz's off a fucking 120w chineese led that runs at 60-80 true watts ....... go fuck yourselves haters.

 

[hoss12781]

I feel compelled to argue back and post pics to justify and promote the technology. I don't work for an led company but am interested in promoting what works well for the common good of the medical mj community. This led me to start my led journal (pun intended). It does get repetitive posting the same valid argument umpteen different times. As far as I'm concerned bring the jibberish random trolls and wanksters. If you can outgrow my autos under led in terms of final weight and quality, using hps/cmh/cfl whatever you want god bless, mad props, and good luck. LED nuggets are far superior in taste and effect. This coming from someone with multiple years of gardening experience who's used everything except plasma induction to grow plants.

 

[Harrekin]

yep thats about what i got with LOTS of room left for improvement, i've been growing for too many years to have some haterade noob ass grower who thinks hes the shit cause he can post his grow online and let other noobs look at it. S1 who thinks how many posts i've made matters and that since i havent posted any good pics i cant possible grow, well let me tell you somthing man, little do you know but A LOT of the dispensaries in so cal are supplied now by a few growers down here USING LED's they are using the ones irish boy is using its a socal based company, i've had vanilla kush grown off of those lights FUCKING BOMB, you cannot tell me, when i've grown with MH CMH HPS LED panels, Kessil LEDs, OLD style LED panels made by SUN SYSTEMS, bet you didnt know sun systems ever made an led panel. Take your fuckin haterade somewhere else. What is the point of coming in here? YOu know your not going to win this fight? The reason you cant convince us HPS will kick our ass is because 90% of us made the switch from hps, and are still pulling the same amount, i think the answer is clear, this is LED territory if you dont like this thread or the people in it go make a thread that says LED"s suck balls everyone who hates em lets hate here.

Grow up and get some balls go experiment with something and better yourself.

Was that directed at me man? Can't help but notice you quoted me...

 

[theinhibitor]

Jesus....people get so worked up over this stuff. Here is a chart of the pros and cons:
LEDs (assuming a 280 watt led is equivalent to a 400 watt hps):
Pros: less heat, less wattage for same output, slightly longer life (yes only slightly, sadly. there is a huge push right now to extend led life since they dim quickly)
Cons: much more expensive per wattage, spectrum issues (some wavelengths are hard to obtain), less intensity (unless measured watt vs watt)

HPS:
Pros: cheap, intense, spectrum more "filled" (i.e. more balanced)
Cons: heat, shorter life, lots of energy wasted on spectrums that do not play into photosynthesis (inefficient is the word)

Up to you to decide which is better. I dont think there really is a better but I have to say, in every pro/medical gro op Ive seen they use HID's instead of LED's. Not saying HID's are better, but I think the cost is the defining factor. It doesn't take linear algebra to see that a 280watt led for 290 is much more expensive than a 400watt HID for 120. In addition, LED's dim quickly: dont be fooled by the 50,000 hr life expectancy. high powered led lights dim by 5% after the first year, unless kept at cool temperatures. when speaking of the temperature of leds, im talking about the led diodes themselves, not the fixtures. Currently, people have been trying to immerse LED's in liquids to cool them off through heat exchange.

Another problem with LED's is that once they dim, you cant change the bulb. With HPS and MH bulbs u can simply order a new one. Therefore, i think the real question is how much are you willing to pay? your energy bill may go down, but you can't used your LED panels for very long either because they WILL dim. So, i think a lot of large grow ops have realized that it just isnt cost effective in the long run to have LED's. Though, for a small, stealth sized grow, maybe having little heat emission is a necessity.

 

[curly604]

these are all things that will get taken care of soon , im in contact with a company that is about to launch a 250w led panel that will have clusters of lights each on a seperate driver and they will be easily replaceable. so if it goes out or dims ..... which this guy claims it wont you can easily be sent a replacement part and be on your way, and it dosent stop with the lights the whole unit has detachable / replaceable parts gonna be quite something in my opinion.

 

[FootClan]

Dude seriously,wtf like? Why the HPS bashing?

Just cos these dudes clearly don't know anything about LEDs bar the shite they might have read before LEDs got good but there's no need to lash back.

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The data is there to support what I say,if you's are too ignorant to accept it then that's your personal problem.

And I'm a MH/HPS user btw so consider that before you respond

actually the cost of LEDS isnt the ONLY reason why alot of people dont use them....I work at a hydro store i can get them at cost if i want infact the owner of the store has nice ones and he has used them many a cycles and now we use it for lighting up a sign in the window......I him, and everyone else at the store have cheap acces yet we ALL still prefer a 1000w HPS and MH to the LEDS........so Cost inst the only reason we dont like them....

And i feel they do have there place we use them at the dispensary i work at for the cuttings they work great for cuttings and vegging but there not the "answer" we have all been looking for.....Like tapedecks went to Cd's then cd's went to Ipods and so on.......

Leds arent the Replacement for HID lighting....I wish is was i wish they really are as good as you guys claim them to be so i could throw out my HID lights and run cheaper cooler LEDS .....but untel that day comes where LEDS are CLEARLY better in every way like Ipods are to Cds then ill just stick with my 1000w HID lights.....

 

[FootClan]

Jesus....people get so worked up over this stuff. Here is a chart of the pros and cons:
LEDs (assuming a 280 watt led is equivalent to a 400 watt hps):
Pros: less heat, less wattage for same output, slightly longer life (yes only slightly, sadly. there is a huge push right now to extend led life since they dim quickly)
Cons: much more expensive per wattage, spectrum issues (some wavelengths are hard to obtain), less intensity (unless measured watt vs watt)

HPS:
Pros: cheap, intense, spectrum more "filled" (i.e. more balanced)
Cons: heat, shorter life, lots of energy wasted on spectrums that do not play into photosynthesis (inefficient is the word)

Up to you to decide which is better. I dont think there really is a better but I have to say, in every pro/medical gro op Ive seen they use HID's instead of LED's. Not saying HID's are better, but I think the cost is the defining factor. It doesn't take linear algebra to see that a 280watt led for 290 is much more expensive than a 400watt HID for 120. In addition, LED's dim quickly: dont be fooled by the 50,000 hr life expectancy. high powered led lights dim by 5% after the first year, unless kept at cool temperatures. when speaking of the temperature of leds, im talking about the led diodes themselves, not the fixtures. Currently, people have been trying to immerse LED's in liquids to cool them off through heat exchange.

Another problem with LED's is that once they dim, you cant change the bulb. With HPS and MH bulbs u can simply order a new one. Therefore, i think the real question is how much are you willing to pay? your energy bill may go down, but you can't used your LED panels for very long either because they WILL dim. So, i think a lot of large grow ops have realized that it just isnt cost effective in the long run to have LED's. Though, for a small, stealth sized grow, maybe having little heat emission is a necessity.

Very logical fact based responce.......+ Rep for you sir.....

 

[Harrekin]

Of course you can change the diodes, manufacturer might say you're not supposed to, but you definately can.

You think cos you're a skivvy in a hydro store your opinion means anything? Lmao!

 

[hoss12781]

actually the cost of LEDS isnt the ONLY reason why alot of people dont use them....I work at a hydro store i can get them at cost if i want infact the owner of the store has nice ones and he has used them many a cycles and now we use it for lighting up a sign in the window......I him, and everyone else at the store have cheap acces yet we ALL still prefer a 1000w HPS and MH to the LEDS........so Cost inst the only reason we dont like them....

And i feel they do have there place we use them at the dispensary i work at for the cuttings they work great for cuttings and vegging but there not the "answer" we have all been looking for.....Like tapedecks went to Cd's then cd's went to Ipods and so on.......

Leds arent the Replacement for HID lighting....I wish is was i wish they really are as good as you guys claim them to be so i could throw out my HID lights and run cheaper cooler LEDS .....but untel that day comes where LEDS are CLEARLY better in every way like Ipods are to Cds then ill just stick with my 1000w HID lights.....

Untel the day you learn how to spell, use proper grammar, and form cogent arguments no one will take you seriously.

 

[FootClan]

Untel the day you learn how to spell, use proper grammar, and form cogent arguments no one will take you seriously.[/QUOT

well i dont take people seriously who defer to my spelling instead of debating the actual subject at hand....For that sir you fail...........also for the dummie above that said workin in a hydro store means nothing...LOL thats like saying being a machanic well teach you nothing about how to fix a car... That is a FAIL aswell......and like i said above it dosent matter how valid or non valid anyones point is in here its just for LED growers to pat themselves on the back its a "yes men" thread so untell you realize that no one will take you seriously....... what a duche you are for defering to my typos as if that as anything to do with anything......

 

[hoss12781]

you're a wankster for starting shit on a thread. Leds work and work well. Obviously no one can change your mind so enjoy being hated by most people on here. Here are some autoflowers six weeks old. The final result will be greater than any auto I've had under hps/cfl. If you don't want to listen to valid arguments concerning the long term cost savings and the pictures of excellent led grows I don't know what else to say butrant on jackass.

 

[FootClan]

and not only do i work at hydro store i also work at a Dispensary.... thats like being a car salesmen and a mechanic and then you trying to tell me i dont know about cars...LOL laughable at best..........

 

[FootClan]

you're a wankster for starting shit on a thread. Leds work and work well. Obviously no one can change your mind so enjoy being hated by most people on here. Here are some autoflowers six weeks old. The final result will be greater than any auto i've had under hps/cfl. If you don't want to listen to valid arguments concerning the long term cost savings and the pictures of excellent led grows i don't know what else to say butView attachment 1778281View attachment 1778277View attachment 1778278View attachment 1778279View attachment 1778280View attachment 1778284View attachment 1778285rant on jackass.

fail! .............................