Hmmm, my dad likes Ron Paul, and he is certainly none of those things.
The great thermite debate.
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It very well DID weaken a few floors, what doesn't make any sense is the fact that ALL the floors were weakened to failure in perfect order. Floors that sustained zero damage all weakened and fell in the same manner as the floors that were damaged. Then you have Building 7, which your scenario doesn't fit one bit and it also came down in the exact same manner as the twin towers did. It isn't conspiracy theory jeff, its real hard evidence.
UncleBuck
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it is not just that it fell, but it fell at free fall speeds, as if there was nothing below it to stop or slow it down.
i withhold judgment about what really happened that day until a fully plausible theory can be put forth.
doc111
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It didn't need to weaken all the floors to failure in perfect oder. In a pancake collapse it sometimes only takes weakening of a few key structural components to bring one floor down on top of another, of another, of another.........and so on. Especially the way the floors were basically "hung" on the supporting trusses. I believe this design feature is now obsolete because of potential problems like what occurred on 9/11.
Can you provide evidence of this "Pancake" happening in any other building at any time in the last 4 billion years on any planet in the entire universe happening on any day other than September 11, 2001?
Your talking about this "pancake" like it was common knowledge, like it happens a few times every year and was a well studied phenomenon that happens to lots of Steel buildings all the time. Just how is it that a building would fall INTO the path of GREATEST resistance, its like a river that runs uphill the whole way.
dude, seriously, this was damn near catastrophic 9.2 earthquake for a 5 block area.
what part of physics did you skip in grade school?
9.2? then shouldn't have every building in that 5 block area have been reduced to rubble? BTW they don't teach physics in grade school.
iNVESTIGATE
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So this is what happened that day.. not a single fucking human being can disagree w/ these facts (seems we're just talking about the WTC complex)....... (for now)..
Two planes crashed into two 110 story high-rise skyscrapers. Purposefully. Then as the collapse commenced pyroclastic-like clouds of dust began enveloping the city before even finished falling. Collapsed through path of greatest resistance. 3 TIMES IN A ROW. In a single day.
guys c'mon ya'know.. physics! geeeeze <----[SARCASM]
lol if the official theory is a correct one then every fucking high-rise building in the world should have undergone massive reinforcements and major fucking fire proofing upgrades since 9.11.01 buuuuuuut as you should know................. NOTHING. Because fire did not bring that building down. Which IS the leading theory in the 9/11 commission report. Sorry i meant omissions report.... but yeah NIST concluded that when the planes hit they knocked off just the perfect amount of fireproofing on all three buildings (even though building 7 wasnt hit) and let the fire's melt and weaken the steel just enough to cause the buildings to fall into their own footsteps... 3 seperated times in 24 hours..
I don't like to point fingers yet and blame on to what or who exactly caused this atrocity but that's exactly WHY WE NEED AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION.. because false flag's, if this was one, are fucking fucked-up wrong and too many people are losing faith in things nowadays. Religion we can do w/out. lol
Two planes crashed into two 110 story high-rise skyscrapers. Purposefully. Then as the collapse commenced pyroclastic-like clouds of dust began enveloping the city before even finished falling. Collapsed through path of greatest resistance. 3 TIMES IN A ROW. In a single day.
guys c'mon ya'know.. physics! geeeeze <----[SARCASM]
lol if the official theory is a correct one then every fucking high-rise building in the world should have undergone massive reinforcements and major fucking fire proofing upgrades since 9.11.01 buuuuuuut as you should know................. NOTHING. Because fire did not bring that building down. Which IS the leading theory in the 9/11 commission report. Sorry i meant omissions report.... but yeah NIST concluded that when the planes hit they knocked off just the perfect amount of fireproofing on all three buildings (even though building 7 wasnt hit) and let the fire's melt and weaken the steel just enough to cause the buildings to fall into their own footsteps... 3 seperated times in 24 hours..
I don't like to point fingers yet and blame on to what or who exactly caused this atrocity but that's exactly WHY WE NEED AN ACTUAL INVESTIGATION.. because false flag's, if this was one, are fucking fucked-up wrong and too many people are losing faith in things nowadays. Religion we can do w/out. lol
ginjawarrior
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dude 2/3 americans believe in creationism all your poll has proved is some americans are thick as pig shit.
worth more investigation? yeah sure. best of looking at the education system rather than 911 tho
http://www.debunking911.com
The Meeting
The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?...
Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen...
Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries.
Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that?
Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it!
Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings!
Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered...
Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, youre sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers wont make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered!
Accomplice #1: But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence.
Your plan isn't perfect either, you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed.
Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down.
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Accomplice #1: Do not
Accomplice #2: Do too
Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the scene?
Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow...
Government: I've made my decision. Continue...
Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall.
Accomplice #1: Nice touch...
Accomplice #2: Why, thank you.
...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building.Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway?
Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below.
Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums.
Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time?
Accomplice #1: We wont be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure...
Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it. After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well.
Government: Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon. Any suggestions?
Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster.
Government: But what about the people on the plane?
Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all.
Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane.
Accomplice #1: Err... ah, don't worry about these small details. I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all.
Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know..
Accomplice #1: Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right!
Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Lets make the target date Sept 11, 2001.
doc111
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There are many examples of pancake collapses.
http://www.wusa9.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=806986384001&odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|featured
Not being in the fire service you would have no reason to have ever heard of a pancake collapse happening before but trust me, they happen quite frequently.
dukeanthony
New Member
Stack Slab was obsolete before that due to the exact same thing that happened to the WTC happening during Construction
Too many of these collapses have happened killing many construction workers And it happens without airplanes or fire
happens everytime they blow up a building.
they set charges at the bottom of the structure, blow it up and the top falls and pancakes.
they dont set charges all the way to the top of the building. only at a few key areas.
so when the plane cut the building in half basically, then the top pancaked and the floors below couldnt take the blow and they colapsed.
remember, when you HEAT steal it weakens. you dont have to melt it.
anyone who has ever pulled a muffler system off a car understands that heating those old metal parts makes them soft and pliable.
and i learned about newton shooting the apple off a guys head in kindergarten. they most certainly do teach physics in grade school.
You seriously expect people to think that a wood and brick building is just like a Steel building? Wood burns, steel does not, wood has 1% the strength of steel and less than .2% the tensile strength. To actually present evidence you need to find STEEL SKYSCRAPERS that have pancaked, not little gingerbread houses.
I will assume that there are no steel skyscrapers that have pancaked other than on 9/11.
and i will assume that no thousand foot tall building has ever took a direct hit, mid to upper height by a fucking jumbo jet. come on drama. you dont beleive your story.
Why would they use explosives when they could just light a few fires on the top floors and within 45 minutes we should have the whole thing collapse? Oh wait, steel buildings can burn for days and days and they won't come down. Plenty of evidence to prove that.
I have never seen a Demo company just demo the top floors and let the rest pancake. know why? Because you would be left with a building with 2 demolished floors sitting on top of the standing building. Demo companies have to take out all the main supports on most of the floors to get the building to fall into itself. Physics would never naturally make a building fall into the path of greatest resistance.
open air fires might heat up to 1000F, but that isn't even close to get structural steel covered in asbestos hot enough to lose enough strength to buckle. When I was a kid we had a wood burning stove, we kept that stove stoked and burning for months straight in the winters. Never once did anything ever melt or even get soft. a 1500F Fire cannot melt something that need 2500F temps. The fuel we used in the stove? Charcoal, Charcoal burns at 2700C(4900F) about 1000C degrees hotter than the melting point of iron. Know who used that stove before my parents? My mothers parents used that same stove for 30 years. so you have a stove made of metal that withstood fires 3 times hotter than the Trade center buildings did and it did it for more than 40 years. No asbestos was even used in that stove either. Asbestos is one of the best insulators known to man.
ginjawarrior
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[video=youtube;_MRSr1MnFuk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRSr1MnFuk[/video]
Mr Neutron
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LOL, Newton shot an apple off of a guys head?
The whole crux of the video depends on ALL those steel girders losing their insulation. Pure speculation.