What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

[Hepheastus420]

its a case of one generation at a time. 50/60years ago everyone went to church. i know my daughters generation is less religous than mine as is mine from parents.
one day soon there will be whole streets, neighbourhoods towns even. where children can listen to just proper fairytales for bedtime

Or maybe some day people will stop judging others based on their beliefs.

 

[ginjawarrior]

And a religious person can go to college and choose what subjects he/she wants to take.

at adulthood yeah? they can choose then right?

doesn't matter how you try to squeese this the child doesn't have that choice


someone somewhere has clearly done a number on you

 

[ginjawarrior]

Or maybe some day people will stop judging others based on their beliefs.

ahh yes theres a standard answer to this[video=youtube;P4dSiHqpULk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dSiHqpULk[/video]

 

[Hepheastus420]

at adulthood yeah? they can choose then right?

doesn't matter how you try to squeese this the child doesn't have that choice


someone somewhere has clearly done a number on you

Why does it hurt you so bad to see a kid get splashed with water? Later in life if they choose to not follow a religion then they are just gonna say getting splashed was pointless, but still it caused no harm. And why do you insist that that someone has done a number on me?

 

[Hepheastus420]

ahh yes theres a standard answer to this[video=youtube;P4dSiHqpULk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dSiHqpULk[/video]

Yeah you have your "standard" hopes and I have mine.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Why does it hurt you so bad to see a kid get splashed with water? Later in life if they choose to not follow a religion then they are just gonna say getting splashed was pointless, but still it caused no harm. And why do you insist that that someone has done a number on me?

is this an admission that your "free will" statement is dishonest?

dance around it all you want but thats what im getting at..

 

[ginjawarrior]

Yeah you have your "standard" hopes and I have mine.

there is no hope in that video i think you need to watch it again get the meaning behind it...

 

[Heisenberg]

Noooo not just Nutjobs but religious nutjobs.

Get what I'm saying? Anybody can be a nutjob.
I'm pretty sure there's a shit load of athiest nutjobs but you don't call them athiest nutjobs just nutjobs. So why discriminate against religious people?
Sorry to turn into a nutjob on you Budzski.

Skepticism rarely inspires nutjobs, although it often inspires atheism. There have been nutjobs who were atheist, but ask yourself, do you think Hitler's problem was that he was too rational? Did the holocaust result from being too attached to critical thinking? Was Stalin's legacy grounded in demanding too much evidence? We label religious nutjobs as such because it is their religion that inspires them.

 

[Luger187]

Why does it hurt you so bad to see a kid get splashed with water? Later in life if they choose to not follow a religion then they are just gonna say getting splashed was pointless, but still it caused no harm. And why do you insist that that someone has done a number on me?

i dont think you realize how much growing up in a religious environment changes people. they cant just decide one day that it was all wrong. it has to be slowly explained to them in a way they understand. and if they dont know anything about how science works, its very hard to explain to people how reality really works. they tend to think their holy books are fact

 

[Hepheastus420]

Skepticism rarely inspires nutjobs, although it often inspires atheism. There have been nutjobs who were atheist, but ask yourself, do you think Hitler's problem was that he was too rational? Did the holocaust result from being too attached to critical thinking? Was Stalin's legacy grounded in demanding too much evidence? We label religious nutjobs as such because it is their religion that inspires them.

Pulling out the hitler card, huh?
I see ur point but ask yourself if you doubt that there has been a psychopath who chose to be like that due to the thought that there was no point in life when he could have maybe found hope in a religion but was never given the choice because his parents never mentioned religion and just gave him the facts of life?

 

[Hepheastus420]

i dont think you realize how much growing up in a religious environment changes people. they cant just decide one day that it was all wrong. it has to be slowly explained to them in a way they understand. and if they dont know anything about how science works, its very hard to explain to people how reality really works. they tend to think their holy books are fact

Well of course it would be hard to teach a close minded religious person science simply because they are close minded, but it's not because they are religious.
Any religious person can be just as open minded as an athiest individual.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Ha religious people = nutjobs.
Believers in science = mad scientists.
Seriously religion doesn't cause any more harm than all the suit science can create.
So thank you science for curing diseases, but you suck for killing countless victims.
Thank you religion for the good morals and love, but you suck for damning people to hell and for creating the evil crusades.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Pulling out the hitler card, huh?
I see ur point but ask yourself if you doubt that there has been a psychopath who chose to be like that due to the thought that there was no point in life when he could have maybe found hope in a religion but was never given the choice because his parents never mentioned religion and just gave him the facts of life?

lol no..

how abouts this one has there every been a case where the "preacher" abuses his power so much that parents will watch their young child take their 'blessing" from him?

again what say you about this freewill bullshit?

 

[Luger187]

Pulling out the hitler card, huh?
I see ur point but ask yourself if you doubt that there has been a psychopath who chose to be like that due to the thought that there was no point in life when he could have maybe found hope in a religion but was never given the choice because his parents never mentioned religion and just gave him the facts of life?

there is more beauty in the facts of life and the cosmos than there is in ANY religion.
people do not receive their morals from religion. religious books have what we would consider both 'good' and 'bad'. but how do we know which are good and which are bad? how do the religious know that this passage is meant to be taken this way, and that passage is to be taken another way? they cannot base their decision making standards on the book they are deciding on. they must have these standards beforehand in order to apply them to the book.

Well of course it would be hard to teach a close minded religious person science simply because they are close minded, but it's not because they are religious.
Any religious person can be just as open minded as an athiest individual.

that is wrong. i dont know what else to say except thanks for the sig lol

 

[Hepheastus420]

So what was the point of all this?
We still believe what we want to believe.
Ehh whatever have fun being worm food.

 

[Heisenberg]

Pulling out the hitler card, huh?
I see ur point but ask yourself if you doubt that there has been a psychopath who chose to be like that due to the thought that there was no point in life when he could have maybe found hope in a religion but was never given the choice because his parents never mentioned religion and just gave him the facts of life?

Well comm'on, psychopaths do not chose to be psychopaths, but how many psychopaths have perverted religion to fuel their violence? How many have perverted skepticism? Skepticism is what we are promoting.

Seriously religion doesn't cause any more harm than all the suit science can create.

It's true, science gave birth to pseudoscience, which does do a great deal of harm. Pseudoscience though requires a misunderstanding of the scientific method and misuse of information. We do not need to misunderstand or misuse religion to make it harmful.

So thank you science for curing diseases, but you suck for killing countless victims.

Who are these victims?

Thank you religion for the good morals and love, but you suck for damning people to hell and for creating the evil crusades.

As we pointed out, one can find love and morality without religion, quite easily in fact. So your statement should read "Thank you religion for providing something we can easily get elsewhere, but you suck for damning people to hell and for creating the evil crusades."

 

[ginjawarrior]

So what was the point of all this?
We still believe what we want to believe.
Ehh whatever have fun being worm food.

free will children....? dishonesty?

 

[Hepheastus420]

there is more beauty in the facts of life and the cosmos than there is in ANY religion.
people do not receive their morals from religion. religious books have what we would consider both 'good' and 'bad'. but how do we know which are good and which are bad? how do the religious know that this passage is meant to be taken this way, and that passage is to be taken another way? they cannot base their decision making standards on the book they are deciding on. they must have these standards beforehand in order to apply them to the book.



that is wrong. i dont know what else to say except thanks for the sig lol

Are you mocking me? I mean that statement holds truth in it unless you believe that athiest are the only ones who can be open minded. If that's the case you are the one that is close minded, oh and what are you athiest? So there are close minded athiest, you guys made it sound like they don't exist.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Are you mocking me? I mean that statement holds truth in it unless you believe that athiest are the only ones who can be open minded. If that's the case you are the one that is close minded, oh and what are you athiest? So there are close minded athiest, you guys made it sound like they don't exist.

free will children....? dishonesty?

 

[Hepheastus420]

Hey guys you are debating with me for the wrong reasons.
I am not defending people who misinterpret a religion on purpose to gain power.
I am not defending the people who baptise their children.
I do agree that alot of people misuse religion in a negative fashion.
I do believe their are alot of close minded religious nutjobs.
I do not believe all religious people our nutjobs.
I do not believe science is more bad than good.
I do not believe religion is more bad than good.
I do believe we are getting offtopic and the reason I made this thread was for peace among us tokers.
So with that being said I would like to say that I do not mean to make enemies right here so good debating guys.
Also ginjawarrior no hard feelings, cool?