What do modern day servicemen and veterans think of Ron Paul and the government?

[londonfog]

On one hand, thank you for your service. I respect veterans.

With that said, it's been 3 YEARS, not 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months but 3 years! And I see more troops overseas than ever, the number of causalities under Obama's administration have increased dramatically.

Libya is not my focus, my focus is on us occupying the middle east, I am completely against the USA , the land of the free and home of the brave, killing, controlling, and dictating the people of other countries, period.

On Libya, you can't disregard Obama involved us without Congressional approval, to bomb them with drones and shoot down their planes, so that doesn't qualify as an act of war now? Are you positive every single bomb we dropped didn't kill any civilians? IF they did Obama's administration is directly responsible for the murder of someone's father/son/mother/daughter/niece/nephew/uncle/aunt somewhere.

America had no part in trying to dictate or get involved in another countries civil war. Now your loved government is only going to start propping up a government with our oil interests in mind. You don't have to believe me and I don't care if you do but to think that America is not going to try and get control of every drop of oil we can at every turn is to be naive.

In fact, if we wanted to be freedom fighters (which I'm not against on a moral basis, just on a basis of it's not our business) why don't we help the hundreds of thousands of people in African under oppressive regimes ? I would rather have troops their ending the horrific slaughter of thousands of African civilians by their corrupt governments. At least then we are directly saving lives, not dictating our interests in foreign oil. BUT there is no money to be made there, we only go where people can make war profits.

Libya is another bad situation waiting to happen as long as we are involved.

and what would Ron PAul do ???

 

[hazyintentions]

and what would Ron PAul do ???

Starting pulling our troops and special interests out of Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan, etc etc. Using the money we saved as half towards the deficit and the other half towards infrastructure. These troops coming on would also act as a real stimulus (not some government spending crap) because they would be real people stimulating the market by buying and investing.

That's the gist of it.

So go ahead and make the argument that isn't reasonable and that we have to be over there, that part of the world has fought for hundreds and hundreds of years and we aren't going to change jack shit in the longer run except look like hypocritical lunatics.

Someone said there is going to be a power vacuum and that we should be in charged of not letting that happen, I say it's not our business we've already done more harm than good and have no place there.

 

[mame]

Ron Paul would have a heart attack, that's what he'd do.

 

[hazyintentions]

Ron Paul would have a heart attack, that's what he'd do.

I would like to congratulate you for contributing to this conversation in such a meaningful and adult way.

 

[londonfog]

Starting pulling our troops and special interests out of Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan, etc etc. Using the money we saved as half towards the deficit and the other half towards infrastructure. These troops coming on would also act as a real stimulus (not some government spending crap) because they would be real people stimulating the market by buying and investing.

That's the gist of it.

So go ahead and make the argument that isn't reasonable and that we have to be over there, that part of the world has fought for hundreds and hundreds of years and we aren't going to change jack shit in the longer run except look like hypocritical lunatics.

Someone said there is going to be a power vacuum and that we should be in charged of not letting that happen, I say it's not our business we've already done more harm than good and have no place there.

so we pull all our military from around the world and just let what ever be ...be ???? hmmmm have you ever been out of the United States ???

 

[hazyintentions]

so we pull all our military from around the world and just let what ever be ...be ???? hmmmm have you ever been out of the United States ???

Basically yes, it's not our responsibly to police the world, we give more thought into policing some country's land half a world away than we do to our own borders. And no, but I would be sickened if I did visit another country and saw OUR troops on THEIR land. BUT hey if that makes you feel safe continue the thought that we have to be there.

And you act like he is going to be able to do it al in one day, which wouldn't happen, I'm sure congress would block him from closing a couple hundred of the bases for the time being.

 

[newworldicon]

you can hurt a child without it being molestation...again I'm giving example of things we should love most, so you can see how others don't forget nor forgive as easily as you say they should..

Gee thanks for the lesson in life there, I would never have thought of this had you not told me, thanks so much London..

 

[newworldicon]

I didn't have to wonder...I served...I don't blame Obama for wars that are in place when he took office for I see that he is trying to bring the troops home...The very reason I got out of the USAF was due to the Iraq war ( Bush )..Libya was not a war..if it was do tell me what infantry division were stationed in that combat zone...

I served my country too, no big deal, life goes on. Libya is a war, to say that because there are no troops on the ground implying zero involvement is naive to say the least. You should know that. The US military has had as much of a hand in this as any other nation involved. The simple fact is you just don't know, none of us on this forum would know that unless it somehow got to the press.

Stop being naive London, the US is as involved as NATO or the UK, France and other UN nations are.

 

[Mr Neutron]

so we pull all our military from around the world and just let what ever be ...be ????

ding, ding, ding... Johnny, what do we have for our winner?

hmmmm have you ever been out of the United States ???

oooh, oooh, I have

 

[hazyintentions]

Found these:

So again, who do you think the majority of military personal support?
hmmm..

 

[dukeanthony]

So what do ALL VETERANS think of Ron Paul?

Well obviously with his poll standings

not much

 

[hazyintentions]

So what do ALL VETERANS think of Ron Paul?

Well obviously with his poll standings

not much

do tell, link please

 

[dukeanthony]

do tell, link please

Link for what? Ron Paul has what? 8% of the vote? And veterans make up What percentage of the general population?

 

[hazyintentions]

Link for what? Ron Paul has what? 8% of the vote? And veterans make up What percentage of the general population?

That depends on which polls your looking at, and what it's averaged against. Regardless this is off topic, red herring.

He is the only one who calls for immediate withdrawal and he has more financial support (donations) to his campaign that all other major candidates including Obama combined, FACT.

I think that should say something but you seem to simply over look it and bring up his overall poll numbers which I know. Your point is?

What percentage of the population hasn't seen any sort of military life and has no idea what it's liking fighting American's tyrannical wars?

moot point bud.

 

[dukeanthony]

I'm a vet I dont support Ron Paul
None of the guys i served with (and about 200 of us have a website together) support Ron Paul
Guys I work with (blue collar machinists) Dont support Ron Paul

And your claims Ron paul has more financial contributions that Obama are Ludicrous at any level

And Afghanistan wasn't tyrannical
If anything we should of Nuked the fuck out of them

 

[budlover13]

I'm a vet I dont support Ron Paul
None of the guys i served with (and about 200 of us have a website together) support Ron Paul
Guys I work with (blue collar machinists) Dont support Ron Paul

And your claims Ron paul has more financial contributions that Obama are Ludicrous at any level

And Afghanistan wasn't tyrannical
If anything we should of Nuked the fuck out of them

More donations than Obama from active duty military personnel. Been that way and confirmed for a while now.

Afghanistan was more nation building. Gotta spread that democracy right?

 

[budlover13]

I'm a vet I dont support Ron Paul
None of the guys i served with (and about 200 of us have a website together) support Ron Paul
Guys I work with (blue collar machinists) Dont support Ron Paul

And your claims Ron paul has more financial contributions that Obama are Ludicrous at any level

And Afghanistan wasn't tyrannical
If anything we should of Nuked the fuck out of them

You ARE right though when you look at overall donations. But then you open up the route of looking at WHO donated.

 

[dukeanthony]

Afghanistan was more nation building. Gotta spread that democracy right?

Fuck Nation Building
Our Job was retribution. I think we have achieved that

I would of Preferred the Thermo Nuclear Option after the Taliban Refused to turn over Bin Laden

And ON the Question of WHO donated

I believe a few white supremacist sites still have a direct link to donate to Ron Paul+

ETA
Here ya go
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=11445567

A little Snippet for you

Re: Why We Support Ron Paul
Heres why I support Paul : he will end the FED. That should be the first step our country takes, is getting the Jews out of control.

 

[budlover13]

Fuck Nation Building
Our Job was retribution. I think we have achieved that

I would of Preferred the Thermo Nuclear Option after the Taliban Refused to turn over Bin Laden

And ON the Question of WHO donated

I believe a few white supremacist sites still have a direct link to donate to Ron Paul+

ETA
Here ya go
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=11445567

A little Snippet for you

Re: Why We Support Ron Paul
Heres why I support Paul : he will end the FED. That should be the first step our country takes, is getting the Jews out of control.

With the war mongering you sound like a TP'er yourself lol.

So some crazy group donated to him. He's not beholden to the ones with real power, the big banks and corporations.

 

[dukeanthony]

I dont think the definition of "war monger" is someone who wants justice for those who harbor a terrorist that killed 3000 american Civilians unprovoked