What do modern day servicemen and veterans think of Ron Paul and the government?
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londonfog
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darn I have to remember that lesson...second time you have pointed that out...so he was be facetious (Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor)
Yep, you got it my man.
newworldicon
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In the Uk we generally see it the other way round, regardless of dictionaries. Either way who cares, coming from South Africa originally I can see how people are so quick to jump on the overly politically correct band wagon labelling everything racist simply for sensationalism. Peter cries wolf one too many times....
londonfog
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blame the racist who made it possible
newworldicon
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Learning from history is one thing, learning to let go of it is another. Which of these do you think teaches us more? Forgiveness or rememberance?
sync0s
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I don't understand how forgiveness and remembrance (correct spelling) are any different.
VTXDave
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As do Democrats (they just lie about it better)....Zip up your fly, your partisanship is showing.
londonfog
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"A nation that forgets its past is doomed to repeat it." Churchill
and to answer that question let me put it to you this way...If everytime I saw your mother I slapped her in her face and she just "let it go" what was learned ???? but if she was slapped one day and the next day she remembered that this guy always trys to slap me so today I will have my son slap him back...do you think I will keep slapping her ????...which would teach the better lesson ????
for the record I would never slap ANY female..just had to pick something you love the most..I think momz are awesome ( most are so full of love)
dukeanthony
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Nah They only want you to forget the parts that are embarrassing to them
hazyintentions
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I don't quite understand the position of your questions, reiterate that please.
newworldicon
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I take my position from the point of view of being a South african during apartheid, I see that far too many cannot let go of the past entirely so they hang on and eventually become bitter and then corrupted in their ideals. Be they white or black, this is mostly about the individual.
newworldicon
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Explanation in the post above this one.
newworldicon
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You are assuming that I place no value in remembering which is incorrect, I agree that we must remember but in my experience there can be a fine line in remembrance and not being able to let go of the past hence becoming bitter or extremist in ones views. Surely you can recognise that in many parts of the world that are suppressed or even sections of a poplulation that feel sidelined.
Whereas forgiveness requires remembrance so it preceeds, hence progress, understanding and acceptance.
Was the comment about "picking something I love best, my mother" an attempt at a dig in case I hate my mother?? If so please grow up.
How about trying to talk without the sarcasm and confrontation all the time. You are not right about anything, you are merely expressing your views.
londonfog
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WTF...I would hope that you love your mother and I assumed as such..the very reason why I picked that as a example...and remember until you walked in another persons shoes it would be very hard for you to understand the pain that they may have gone through...somethings should never be forgotten and some things can never be forgiven...another example would be if someone ever hurt my child intentionally...you can pretty much take forgiveness and stick it up their azz...
newworldicon
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From racism to child molestation......okay!!
hazyintentions
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Great Point, ever wander what it's like in being a troop over there fighting someone else's war? OR the civilians of those countries we are occupying? You'll talk of this in theory but won't address the real issues, how would you like it if Russia came over here, invaded, dethroned our government, installed a leader with their views and interests, bombed cities under the pretense of "preventing terrorism" therefore killing many innocent people (murder) and then when people became mad and fight for their country they become terrorists under the occupying regime and are painted as the bad guy when you are trying to defend your country, how about that?
That is the basis of what's going on right now and still I hear people defending these wars yet they won't put themselves in other people's shoes or face the fact that we are a nation of corrupt hypocrites spouting off saying we are trying to "liberate and promote democracy".
So by what you just said I would say America deserves to be put on trail for what we have done to those people and their countries, how many father's and mother's do you think lost their children do to our aggression?
We live in a sad satirical world and I am ashamed to call myself American when our government does the things it does to other nations while we sit in our houses justifying it.
londonfog
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you can hurt a child without it being molestation...again I'm giving example of things we should love most, so you can see how others don't forget nor forgive as easily as you say they should..
londonfog
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I didn't have to wonder...I served...I don't blame Obama for wars that are in place when he took office for I see that he is trying to bring the troops home...The very reason I got out of the USAF was due to the Iraq war ( Bush )..Libya was not a war..if it was do tell me what infantry division were stationed in that combat zone...
hazyintentions
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On one hand, thank you for your service. I respect veterans.
With that said, it's been 3 YEARS, not 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months but 3 years! And I see more troops overseas than ever, the number of causalities under Obama's administration have increased dramatically.
Libya is not my focus, my focus is on us occupying the middle east, I am completely against the USA , the land of the free and home of the brave, killing, controlling, and dictating the people of other countries, period.
On Libya, you can't disregard Obama involved us without Congressional approval, to bomb them with drones and shoot down their planes, so that doesn't qualify as an act of war now? Are you positive every single bomb we dropped didn't kill any civilians? IF they did Obama's administration is directly responsible for the murder of someone's father/son/mother/daughter/niece/nephew/uncle/aunt somewhere.
America had no part in trying to dictate or get involved in another countries civil war. Now your loved government is only going to start propping up a government with our oil interests in mind. You don't have to believe me and I don't care if you do but to think that America is not going to try and get control of every drop of oil we can at every turn is to be naive.
In fact, if we wanted to be freedom fighters (which I'm not against on a moral basis, just on a basis of it's not our business) why don't we help the hundreds of thousands of people in African under oppressive regimes ? I would rather have troops their ending the horrific slaughter of thousands of African civilians by their corrupt governments. At least then we are directly saving lives, not dictating our interests in foreign oil. BUT there is no money to be made there, we only go where people can make war profits.
Libya is another bad situation waiting to happen as long as we are involved.