Am-2233??

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Not to go off-topic and be a dink, but all the AM-series substances are rather toxic. Does the potency really matter? Cancer, Liver Failure, and/or Kidney Failure aren't worth a cheap high.
 

The Cryptkeeper

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Not to go off-topic and be a dink, but all the AM-series substances are rather toxic. Does the potency really matter? Cancer, Liver Failure, and/or Kidney Failure aren't worth a cheap high.
Aren't the JWH series also potentially toxic? =)
 

Unnk

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the fluorine chain that makes it toxic

but i also heard that there was some embellishment on their part of the toxicity of said substances
 

DarthD3vl

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I still have a little jwh18, haven't even looked at any others. If i was to look, at which ones should I direct my attention, or avoid??
 

Unnk

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jwh seem to be weaker and more likely to release the fluorine chain

the am 2201 in my opinion if you are on hard times for bud is the best option its less likely to release the fluorine chain and its potency to the cb1 and cb2 receptors are astonishing
 

MrEDuck

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JWH compounds aren't generally fluorinated (I don't think any are but there's a lot of them).
 

Martins

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Fluorinated cannabinoids is toxic because they produce fluoroacetate as a metabolite.
AM-2201 is legal where i live and so do AM-2233
i guesss AM-2233 is less potent than AM2201
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
the am 2201 in my opinion if you are on hard times for bud is the best option its less likely to release the fluorine chain and its potency to the cb1 and cb2 receptors are astonishing
I disagree. I have heard enough reports about kidney and liver issues, to know that when a toxicity report is run, it is going to come back with some not-so-pleasant results.

I thought the jwh toxicity concerns had to do with the naphthalene ring that some have.
like JWH-015? Avoid that like the plague too.
 

Martins

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Yes, liver failure is really often problem for jwh & am smokers
One guy here where i live died from heart failure and he was only 21 year old.
 

Haddaway

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Honestly, besides the horrible potential physical effect it may cause, it DEFINITELY does cause (from my OWN experience and talking to many others who were in a similar situation as me) If extremely potent cannabinoids (which effects the density of the CB1 receptor at a rate exponential than that of THC, a much less potent cannabinoid) cause such severe downregulation of your endocannabinoid system (Endogenous THC-like molecules that effect the CB1 receptor) that it takes MONTHS AND MONTHS (if not years) of non-use to get the same feeling again from marijuana like you used to..
I smoked JWH-018 at the peak of my addiction to it - close to 4-5 times a day for months and months(4-5).. And I swear at the end, my tolerance grew so high that I actually have used an entire gram of 073 and 1/2-3/4g of 018 in ONE day. I ended up convincing myself I had fibromyalgia (severe pains everywhere after quitting, never stopped completely, acts up when I get anxiety, it got so severe they had to prescribe me a neuropathic pain treating medicine (Lyrica). The reason I know it's neuropathic is because opiates don't relieve ANY or much pain at all at reasonable doses (ive tried really high ones too, sometimes it would make the pain worse or maybe just more noticeable?).
It also has given me a edge of paranoia to myself that I never had and severe, severe anxiety issues that weren't nearly as bad beforehand.

If any of you guys are interested, I have talked to many people in similar situations as me and they have confirmed every symptom I have, they had gotten it also (not every single one, but a majority of them. And with the help of multiple people, they have all been confirmed multiple times.. These people describe to me things that they couldn't know concerning what JWH did to me mentally and neurologically unless they went through it too..

STAY AWAY from synthetic cannabinoids, the only good ones are banned anyway (the CP cannabinoids were so sick)
 

Martins

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I know that they are toxic but still i dont smoke them all the time so i think they are not so toxic to me. I sell that stuff to others but before that i test it.
 
thats why thc is so much better, but illegal.

the stuff that harms you more is legal. go figure, this is the USA lol

i wish weed was legal, but due to jobs and such, its not worth it to fail a drug test (for something that is grown form the ground instead of made in a lab!!!!!!)
 
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