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hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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yep pollen sacks ugg :( at closer look the kush berry was done so im thinking it nanners out after it gets to ripe, any thought?
 
collective gardener

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hellraizer30 said:
yep pollen sacks ugg :( at closer look the kush berry was done so im thinking it nanners out after it gets to ripe, any thought?
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Feminized seeds...clones originally taken from feminized seeds. The whole seed/clone market is totally fucked. We're in an explosive industry with millions...even billions on the line. 20 years ago when you had to fly to Holland to get seeds, things were way better. The seeds were as advertised back then. They told you straight up to buy 50 or more if you were looking for something special to grow long term. Nothing was feminized, either. Today, most of the seed/clone dealers are competing for your business. Like most other companies, they will misslead to gain your business. The biggest 2 lies are feminized seeds, and "stable" genetics. The only thing I've ever heard about feminized seeds is that they go hermo just about everytime. The only way for a seed company to produce seeds from some of the "clone only" strains is to induce hermo to make seeds. All you end up with is seeds that will hermo themselves. The "stable" lie missleads, as well. They have folks believing that they can buy a single feminized seed, and as long as it pops, they will have a near replica of the strain they were looking for. Bullshit. Even with 10 seeds, you chance of getting what you're looking for are very slim. The high end clone only strains are still just that. You need to know someone and possibly pay huge $$$ for just a couple cuts. The Cali Connection is the biggest farce out there. The seeds they advertise are mostly from California clone only strains. I've seen what those seeds produce. What a joke. Sure, it's decent. But to compare a Tahoe OG from Cali seeds with a real Tahoe OG cut is night and day. The collectives we deal with can tell the difference in a second. It's the difference between $2,000/$2,500 per pound and $4,000+ per pound.

I know some people have sourced some reliable seeds. But the vast majority of it will dissapoint. This hermo thing has gotten more and more comnmon the past 5 years or so. I'm convinced it's the result of poor methods of generating seeds. The stability of seeds wasn't any better "back in the day"...it's just that back then, seed seller and buyer alike knew that a plant intensive highgrading precess was going to be needed to get what you were looking for.

If a person keeps growing long enough, they'll meet the right people and start getting access to proven cuts of top shelf genetics. Think about how far ahead we are when a friend hands us a cut of something they've been growing for years. We know it doesn't hermo out. We know exactly how long it takes to finish. Usually we've burned some with said friend, so we even know exactly how good it is and what it looks like when finished. Compare that to starting with a handfull of seeds we saw advertised online.

Sorry for the rant HR. This seed/clone industry just gets me going. Bummer about the hermos. Was it one of your better strains? It's probably bound for the trash now, eh? Usually that shit just keeps on happening. Goddamn fucking shame. Makes me want to drive a pair of pruning shears right into some breeder's eye socket.
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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collective gardener said:
Feminized seeds...clones originally taken from feminized seeds. The whole seed/clone market is totally fucked. We're in an explosive industry with millions...even billions on the line. 20 years ago when you had to fly to Holland to get seeds, things were way better. The seeds were as advertised back then. They told you straight up to buy 50 or more if you were looking for something special to grow long term. Nothing was feminized, either. Today, most of the seed/clone dealers are competing for your business. Like most other companies, they will misslead to gain your business. The biggest 2 lies are feminized seeds, and "stable" genetics. The only thing I've ever heard about feminized seeds is that they go hermo just about everytime. The only way for a seed company to produce seeds from some of the "clone only" strains is to induce hermo to make seeds. All you end up with is seeds that will hermo themselves. The "stable" lie missleads, as well. They have folks believing that they can buy a single feminized seed, and as long as it pops, they will have a near replica of the strain they were looking for. Bullshit. Even with 10 seeds, you chance of getting what you're looking for are very slim. The high end clone only strains are still just that. You need to know someone and possibly pay huge $$$ for just a couple cuts. The Cali Connection is the biggest farce out there. The seeds they advertise are mostly from California clone only strains. I've seen what those seeds produce. What a joke. Sure, it's decent. But to compare a Tahoe OG from Cali seeds with a real Tahoe OG cut is night and day. The collectives we deal with can tell the difference in a second. It's the difference between $2,000/$2,500 per pound and $4,000+ per pound.

I know some people have sourced some reliable seeds. But the vast majority of it will dissapoint. This hermo thing has gotten more and more comnmon the past 5 years or so. I'm convinced it's the result of poor methods of generating seeds. The stability of seeds wasn't any better "back in the day"...it's just that back then, seed seller and buyer alike knew that a plant intensive highgrading precess was going to be needed to get what you were looking for.

If a person keeps growing long enough, they'll meet the right people and start getting access to proven cuts of top shelf genetics. Think about how far ahead we are when a friend hands us a cut of something they've been growing for years. We know it doesn't hermo out. We know exactly how long it takes to finish. Usually we've burned some with said friend, so we even know exactly how good it is and what it looks like when finished. Compare that to starting with a handfull of seeds we saw advertised online.

Sorry for the rant HR. This seed/clone industry just gets me going. Bummer about the hermos. Was it one of your better strains? It's probably bound for the trash now, eh? Usually that shit just keeps on happening. Goddamn fucking shame. Makes me want to drive a pair of pruning shears right into some breeder's eye socket.
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lol im right there with yah CG!! the hash berry was a treat from a friend that had just got it a couple months back form attitude, ive got no idea
if it was fem, I do know its killer in potency and weight. its a shame bigtime. wish I could get my hands on a clone only strain but that not going to
happen.
 
jaydiesle

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hey wass up HR i see everything going good bro how much ladyz u keep under each 600 im almost dwn with my setup im going with 6x600
 
hellraizer30

hellraizer30

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im upgrading to x6 600 also but right now it x4 so to break it down theres anywhere from 13 to 30 in the tents at a time it just
depends on how many clones I got. tents a 10x10 with x4 lights evenly spread and the same for the girls, so that x1 600 for every
5x5 foot frint guess that 7 each light and some change.
 
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