1000w HPS Vs 600, 400, 250
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DrFever
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what most people are forgeting is the size of room and matching the lighting for best possible outcome
for 90 percent of most growers heat issue is a major concern but also geologicaly it might not be a issue i use my heat in winter months from my lights. In summer without drawing to much attention of being flagged from electrical costs Re airconditioning etc etc got to suck it up and not run so many lights and by the way my room exceeds 14,000 watts
I got a 400 watt light and can tell you from experience that in veg state compared to running a single 1000 watt 400 was a fckin joke PERIOD in comparison in a 2 week side by side grow hahaha it was like watchin paint dry
Once you go to a 1000 watt set up you will never go down but increase your power so to the op dont waste your money by a 1000 watt and get good exhaustset up and your laughing hell theres ballests now that you can lower the power look into that you here people mention run 2 600 watters well now you got to lights producing heat ????? and 200 more watts look at the cost difference between two 600 watt set ups and 1 1000 watt set up ????
i run in summer 1 1000 watt on 8 foot motorized track thats so i get litterally 110,000 lumens on a 48 sq foot area
and last of all most true growers will tell you that a plant not directly under a light will grow faster for instance i rotate my plants
cause the plants directly under my lights seem not to grow as fast as my outter ones do
even tho i am 4 " away from tops re 1000 watts on a 8 foot motorized track
for 90 percent of most growers heat issue is a major concern but also geologicaly it might not be a issue i use my heat in winter months from my lights. In summer without drawing to much attention of being flagged from electrical costs Re airconditioning etc etc got to suck it up and not run so many lights and by the way my room exceeds 14,000 watts
I got a 400 watt light and can tell you from experience that in veg state compared to running a single 1000 watt 400 was a fckin joke PERIOD in comparison in a 2 week side by side grow hahaha it was like watchin paint dry
Once you go to a 1000 watt set up you will never go down but increase your power so to the op dont waste your money by a 1000 watt and get good exhaustset up and your laughing hell theres ballests now that you can lower the power look into that you here people mention run 2 600 watters well now you got to lights producing heat ????? and 200 more watts look at the cost difference between two 600 watt set ups and 1 1000 watt set up ????
i run in summer 1 1000 watt on 8 foot motorized track thats so i get litterally 110,000 lumens on a 48 sq foot area
and last of all most true growers will tell you that a plant not directly under a light will grow faster for instance i rotate my plants
cause the plants directly under my lights seem not to grow as fast as my outter ones do
even tho i am 4 " away from tops re 1000 watts on a 8 foot motorized track
RawBudzski
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I want to address your ending statement by saying, Maybe the Plants on the outside GROW faster cause their stretching more for the light. Just a thought.
sso
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..dunno, directly under the light is a heatspot (with a hps)
..its much more fun, growing with a big lamp, ive only tried 600w but the difference between that and f.e 400w mh is astounding, and the mh kicks the butt of any t5 cfl i tried before.
vegging with a big lamp gets things moving and larger, much quicker.
and i hear the 1000´s give the biggest buds.
so, if ya can handle the heat (and noise from the fans, f.e and more) then thats the way to go.
if. you are interested in growing and or need quite a bit of bud (daysmoker f.e) then the big lamps are where you are eventually gonna end up (most likely)
and so would save yourself quite a bit of money.
on the other hand, if you have never grown before, its easier starting out with the smaller lamps (or i think so) so might, f.e buy a 400w lamp (that does both mh and hps)
and run with that, till you are comfortable enough to upgrade to a bigger lamp and then use the 400w as a veglight..
f.e , but if you dont get intimidated by all the big wattage and huge fans and whatnot (some dont)
then by all means jump right ahead to the 1000w, its obvious from your writings that thats the lamp you really want.
..its much more fun, growing with a big lamp, ive only tried 600w but the difference between that and f.e 400w mh is astounding, and the mh kicks the butt of any t5 cfl i tried before.
vegging with a big lamp gets things moving and larger, much quicker.
and i hear the 1000´s give the biggest buds.
so, if ya can handle the heat (and noise from the fans, f.e and more) then thats the way to go.
if. you are interested in growing and or need quite a bit of bud (daysmoker f.e) then the big lamps are where you are eventually gonna end up (most likely)
and so would save yourself quite a bit of money.
on the other hand, if you have never grown before, its easier starting out with the smaller lamps (or i think so) so might, f.e buy a 400w lamp (that does both mh and hps)
and run with that, till you are comfortable enough to upgrade to a bigger lamp and then use the 400w as a veglight..
f.e , but if you dont get intimidated by all the big wattage and huge fans and whatnot (some dont)
then by all means jump right ahead to the 1000w, its obvious from your writings that thats the lamp you really want.
DrFever
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There not stretching what there getting is the is reflective lighting from the walls
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RawBudzski
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Dont see how that would promote Better/Faster growth buy you have some lovely girls their. Gj
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Father Earth
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How many plants are thoses and what lighting? Strain also! Beautiful sized bud sites!
Father Earth
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Would 1 1000w cover an entire 6.5 x 6.5 x 2.5 area? I'm certain two 600's would cover that size. Yet, the sites i've checks the 600 watt cooltube's arre only $40 - $50 cheap than the 1000w cooltubes...
Father Earth
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What size tubing are you using to cool, and aare you adding anything else to lower the temps? Thats a nice distance!
DrFever
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1" is a little extreme imo theres no better gains at that distance at 8 " away you will produce same amunt of lumens also adding some side light to other plants that close isn't necesary
and father earth i use 1000 watters hordilux superblue mh and hps in 1 bulb that grow was in early stages of summer started with 10,000 watts ended up useing 5000watts ( heat issues ) with C02 1550 ppm
strain in first 2 pics is pure power its a kick ass strain veg's great but suseptable to extreme nutrient burns in flower
the rest of the pics is afganistan kush love that strain
the pure power had 12 plants produced 18 oz dry the kush had 53 and averaged 1160 dry grams per 1000 watt light
IMO reason i mention running 1000 watts is that light penettration is crazy with out any leaf trimming i swear i had buds on bottom of plant that were huge like 80 - 90 wet grams thats amazing im talkin right at soil height
everyone thinks that if you go to big lights your goin to grow big Yes thats in the equation but also you got to factor in your room takes a few grows to dial it in nutrient schedule and learning to read your plants
Makes me mad when you here well if its your first grow then go 400 / 600 watt lights i say fck that take lighting problems out of the equation if you got power then thats one thing you dont need to worry about then all you need is exhaust power and good ventilation and your off to the races trust me on that
most growers are trying to veg fast and flower fast get bet possible yields at a cost effiecient matter least thats what i do lol
Father Earth
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Holy shit light penetration all the way down to the dirt! Thats some power for ya. You know I think growing indoors is such a great unique experince, glad i got involved. Like you said it takes a couple grows to get familiar, and I'm down for the dirty work. Your pure power is frosty as snow man! I'm growing White Widow X Big Bud, and Imma make it my signature strain. Its vegging nicely, but Fever is it kool if i hit you up for a tip or two in the future?
weednublet
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@Father: That's what I wanted to grow but I'm strapped for cash and I'm not wasting money on any seeds til I can grow bagseed. Once I can actually not retard through it, I'll give some good shit a go, haha.
kizzzzurt
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Personally in that size of a room I would get 1 1000W cooltube. I see them at the hydro shop (I only have regular 400 HPS and 250 HPS) and they make me drool. I swear.
themoose
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I've got a very similar sized room with a 1000w cooltube and it gets the job done I can do 18 clones centered under the light, ebb & flow, but I'm looking into a light rail so I can step that number up to 36 and maximize the space. Anyone had good experiences with light rails?
Always go for the biggest wattage you can afford....don't put a 1000w lamp in your bedroom closet, unless its a walk-in
Always go for the biggest wattage you can afford....don't put a 1000w lamp in your bedroom closet, unless its a walk-in
jondamon
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i use 6inch insulated flex ducting for the light rig with 400CFM fan.
i also use 5inch standard flex ducting for carbon filter which is attached to a 180CFM fan . My glass is cool to the touch room stays within a few degrees of ambient temps.
I do agree with DrFever however there is no better gains with it this close however the lap placement in my reflector means that including that 1inch my plants are actually around 4inches away from the lamp. BUT i dont always run it 1inch away most of the time its around 5inches away.
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Father Earth
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drgreentm
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not at all, 6 400's in flower and i like them allot generate literally no heat, plants can be very close. i am going to be throwing up 2 1000w in magnum xxxl hoods to see if i really get a good increase in yield (not sure but trying it anyway) i know 4 600's would do just as good (same watts) so i really want to try the 1000's and am pretty stoked about the change.
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themoose
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good to see you around drgreen...you swap out your flood tables for this setup, or rockin both? We seem to have a lot of the same ideas and the best part is your like one step ahead of me everytime....little reference.....lookin official whats the yield Vs. pain in the ass of this setup over the flood tables?
Also I'm debatin on the Raptor or the Magnum XXXL myself....rockin the 1000w cool tube in a 6x3x7 and I wanna get as much canopy in the 6ft covered as possible
Also I'm debatin on the Raptor or the Magnum XXXL myself....rockin the 1000w cool tube in a 6x3x7 and I wanna get as much canopy in the 6ft covered as possible