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thanks but no danks

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samchesser said:
Sounds like a waste of taxpayer dollars to me. Would make sense in national parks or something but not in neighborhoods.
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i live in a small country town, surrounded by corn fileds and forrest, they manage to get a few every year, but yes it does seem like a waste dosent it xD

Can somebody answer my question now? xD is it too late to have started LST if my plants just started to flower?
 
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Pre flowers or bud sites ? If it's pre flowering you still have the streatch to go through and it would be perfect but you could LST anyways if they are just starting bud sites. any farther along I probably wouldn't unless needed for height reasons.
 
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TWS said:
Pre flowers or bud sites ? If it's pre flowering you still have the streatch to go through and it would be perfect but you could LST anyways if they are just starting bud sites. any farther along I probably wouldn't unless needed for height reasons.
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not sure, still new to this :p

i had like little pistils at each node for a while but what i say when i mean flowering is i just started noticing multiple white hairs when i tied them down, so is that pre flowering? idk lol

also, i only see that at the top of my plants for now is that normal? i get more later on right? haha
 
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:leaf:yes you are just starting preflowering, you have the streatch to go through and growth will be good. soon after the streatch more hairs will build at the tops or bud sites and the tops will become more compact,At this point flowering is starting.

This is the same point we're at right now. I just did all my finish LST'ing for height reasons,to get more light to the bigger branches and the smaller shoots.Won't be "tying down " anymore unless I have some main shoots reach over the cage tops which is almost fence height.

Even super cropped a few by accident.:-o Haha,no biggie they recover bad ass and the branch will stay horizontal.:leaf:
 
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TWS said:
:leaf:yes you are just starting preflowering, you have the streatch to go through and growth will be good. soon after the streatch more hairs will build at the tops or bud sites and the tops will become more compact,At this point flowering is starting.

This is the same point we're at right now. I just did all my finish LST'ing for height reasons,to get more light to the bigger branches and the smaller shoots.Won't be "tying down " anymore unless I have some main shoots reach over the cage tops which is almost fence height.

Even super cropped a few by accident.:-o Haha,no biggie they recover bad ass and the branch will stay horizontal.:leaf:
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Thank god i was getting so worried i did something wrong, thank you and everyone else soooooooooooo so much for your answers, i feel better now :) haha

When i tied down tho i just bent down the tops and tied them from there at about a 60 degree angle, so should i do this for any branches big enough or just the 2 main ones i got from topping?
 
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My yields are always bigger from lst and I don't get no smaller buds either, whenever I tie my plants down it never stunts their growth, they perk back up within the hour after tying, the next day it's really back to business
 
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TWS

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thanks but no danks said:
Thank god i was getting so worried i did something wrong, thank you and everyone else soooooooooooo so much for your answers, i feel better now :) haha

When i tied down tho i just bent down the tops and tied them from there at about a 60 degree angle, so should i do this for any branches big enough or just the 2 main ones i got from topping?
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Depends on yourself. Any sub/main branch big enough is ok. This late in the year without pics to see,it is sometimes best to let those catch up to the two ,main ones you LST'd all ready. Know what I'm trying to say. If they are big enough tye em over. It's all in having fun and learning. :joint:
 
southsacboy916

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"The plant just redistributes the growth over many branches. The main cola will be much smaller. Topping fimming and LST is usually done to control plant height." - Little Tommy

"I'd say a general rule is that topping will help indoor yields and make no difference for outdoor yields. The reason it helps indoors is that topping will cause the plant to grow bushier than it would have otherwise which is desirable when HPS light penetration can be an issue." - homebrewer

couldnt have said it better myself... plants outdoors shouldnt have a problem not getting enough light minus the tiny little shoots on the bottom which should be removed anyways either for cloning or simply to increase air flow and to redirect hormones to the top colas. ive ran side by sides before and every time the plants that i lst'd ending up getting more buds thrown into the hash pile because i didnt feel like trimming them, therefore decreasing yield of smokable bud. never has the yield increased. once again this year im running a side by side with two plants that were the same size before i tied the one down, both blue dream. this year im doin it to prove a point to my cousin who is like most of you guys who swear it increases yield simply because it increases the amount of bud sites. what he fails to realize is that the bud size decreases the more tops u have. it is a proven fact that stress decreases yield, its called LOW stress training not NO stress training so there still is some stress involved.
 
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veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Those aren't "buds", they're kholas.

My gardens yield between 35 and 55 grams per square foot, depending on weather, strain, and the odd problem. I LST to keep them under 9 feet. You can calculate each plant's shadow/footprint to see how much sunlight the plant receives(20sq.ft., 50 sq.ft. etc.)

I can dig out thousands of pix of big buds. Those I posted are average, but I trim dry, and usually break down the big ones for ease of trimming.

Since I've always had to LST for reasons of height, I've tried to shoot for consistency in khola size. Six to eight inches is about perfect.

I'll try to show you what I mean...
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symbiote420

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I'm sorry, you can't compare pics unless they're the same strain. I see the point you're trying to make, but I grow LST and untouched plants, my regular ones do have bigger colas but that's it, my lst plants outproduces them every time indoors and out, my light penetration through the plants are way better than the untouched, so no wispy bottom buds for me, my canopy is alot fuller (the surefire way indoors for getting the most out of your lights and increasing yields), my gardens yields more since starting this method, this is a case where size of cola doesn't matter.
Just me, but I don't ever buy big ass buds anyway! You're paying for those 3+ gram stems in the middle which makes your 14g. purchase really about 11g. fuck that!!!
 
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southsacboy916 said:
exactly my point tho u lst to keep the height down, if u didnt have the keep the height down would u still tie them down? and i dont got thousands of pics to dig through but i got a couple.


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Nice pix.

Even if height wasn't a problem, I'd still LST to some extent because increasing the plant's footprint increases growth rate. More sunlight = more buds.

I was visiting a friend who lives out in the stix has several gardens the size of the one I posted. He's letting them grow naturally. Several of his plants came from me as potted 2 footers. They are now ten to twelve feet tall, but if cut and weighed, are far less dense than my seven footers.

Why?

Because I complete my canopy 8-10 weeks before he does.

Sunlight = buds.

Next year, consider leaning your plants to the North when you transplant into the ground. A 45 degree angle. As side branches grow, lean them away from the
main stalk. I think you'll like the results.
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Newly planted and just beginning to reveg, these plants each produced over 500 grams in a greenhouse.View attachment 1718440
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The same plants 4 months later.
 
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Jordan Hoffer

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Yes it works great! when you tie down your plants it allows for more light to pentrate the outside of plant and reach the inner node sights which usually dont recieve much light. since these sights get more sunlight they will grow larger buds and thus decrease the amount of "popcorn" bud you get
 
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veggiegardener said:
Nice pix.
Sunlight = buds.

Next year, consider leaning your plants to the North when you transplant into the ground. A 45 degree angle. As side branches grow, lean them away from the
main stalk. I think you'll like the results.
View attachment 1718424View attachment 1718425
Newly planted and just beginning to reveg, these plants each produced over 500 grams in a greenhouse.View attachment 1718440
View attachment 1718441
The same plants 4 months later.
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you sir are my idol xD

anyways good news everyone :) after 4 hours of searching (i meant that as litteraly as possible) i found my old camera :) im going to walk the green mile to my guerrilla grow later and take some pics for you guys, but for now, i just posted some old pics that were on my camera of my best friend, he takes a trip to my plants everytime i do, and im glad he does, becuase if i didnt bring him i would have been bitten by at least two cottonmouth/water mocasins by now xD
 
southsacboy916

southsacboy916

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veggiegardener said:
Sunlight = buds.

Next year, consider leaning your plants to the North when you transplant into the ground. A 45 degree angle. As side branches grow, lean them away from the
main stalk. I think you'll like the results.
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ill give it a shot just because i know that u know ur shit... just from my experiences so far lst hasnt worked all that great, maybe because im lazy and dont like trimmin little buds, my hash piles seems to enjoy it when i lst tho. i think if i still prune off the bottom shoots off of each branch that would help cuz everytime i lstd i just let them go with no pruning. i also never planted that at an angle i always planted them normal and just tied them down in no peticular direction. i just feel that with good spacing light penetration isnt a problem outdoors, i could be wrong. i also find it harder to care for plants that are extremely bushy. but just maybe u can convert me, i just find it hard to believe that my yield will increase because im already getting much heavier yields than any of my friends get. i surprise myself every year with yield, for instance last year i threw a bunch of platinum og kush plants out like around the middle of july and they only got about two feet and i was pulling around 8oz off of each of them. i trimmed up all the bottom shoots and had minimal side branching so they were essentially one large cola, it looked something like a sea of green outdoors.
 
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