The Choice I Never Made...

[guy incognito]

I'm not sure how else I can explain it. I'll implore you to re-read Pad's original post. You aren't CHOOSING to believe this. Not belieiving them is not an option available to you - no matter how hard you tried to choose not to believe in evolution, you wouldn't be convinced. Sorry if I'm not explaining better.

Could you choose to believe that's bart in your avatar and not homer? If someone thought the dad from simpsons was named bart and the kid was named homer, did they choose to believe that? or are they just confused?

edit:

OK I re-read Pad's post, and saw that you were the first to reply. Your response changed after a different person said the same thing he did, albeit in a more verbose fashion.

So I guess you did choose... you chose to be a troll. Good on you I guess...

Yes I understand what you are saying. After evaluating the evidence there is no way I could choose to not believe in evolution. Theoretically I could, and many people (especially in this thread) seem to be doing just that. Presented with undeniable evidence, yet still choose to not believe it. I personally could not choose it though.

 

[olylifter420]

Who are you? What have you done to contribute to society? Hmmm,, fucking atheist? You all like to and critisize, ill give you something to talk about douche...
i could fucking careless what you have to say or think... Like I said b4 and ill say it again, I dont depend on your complex thinking and if im simple minded, have a simple minded fuck you...

you try and try to make me look like im wrong, your a fucking idiot! Yea, I always got shit to say, especially to none believers who think are soo perfect... You must thiink that you are, only God is perfect, you dont believe in God,.therefore you are perfect...

You cant really say anything to the fact that I never forced anything you all and I never told you to believe in anything, but oh well, its a numbers thing, I know...

Seems to me that you had plenty to say, and your language clearly indicates that you are trying to establish a superior position by insulting. How many of us have insulted you? It seems the faults you find in others are things you fail to notice about yourself, which is typical of a hypocrite.

Meanwhile you have provided nothing of substance for us to consider. You haven't made one single valid point or addressed points made to you beyond hostile beratement. You are unable to defend any single one of your statements, and somehow in your head that equates to us getting riled up and treating you unfairly. You don't even seem to possess to ability to express yourself clearly, so why we should we pay attention to anything you say?

 

[Brazko]

The quote was meant to serve as an example. You are the one that assigned my comments to a specific incident. I was speaking of olys general theme of responding to genuine inquiry with abuse and hate, which is in contrast to what Jesus taught. Since he claims to have learned his religious morals from his parents, they must have taught him to be a hypocrite, which I find despicable.

They must have but did they? Obviously you know Jesus didn't. Okay, I'm not going to try and defend Oly's action so I'll just leave my specific comments to this. I claim that Oly's parents did not teach him to be a hypocrite and are not despicable people because I do not know if they surely did teach him to act that way or if Oly is straying from what they taught. If Oly's parents decide to post here later to the board and demostrate the same kind of conduct then I will agree with your statement.

However my statements about morals and standards remains the same. I have seen Atheist/Theists refer generally to each other as idiots, ignorants, dumb/jackasses, retards, stupid, etc... I have never thought to base that conduct on anything else but the person who have chosen to use that type of language. And that still doesn't equate to what their standards of morality may be.

Are you actually meaning to say Oly is being abusive and hateful by his chosen words and he shouldn't because it's not right for him to do so, but others get a pass because it's right for them to do?

If not, anytime someone chooses to use that type of verbage you should instantly stop them in their tracks and address their conduct as despicable as well.

If so, you have a skewed sense of upholding boxed standards of morality to an individual or group.

It's all fair in Love and Warfare

edit: and Entertaining

also you can't trust everything Oly's said because I gave him a good answer to his question but have yet to recieve +rep for it...

that is despicable!! lol

 

[beardo]

So why not attempt to smash in the skull of any one who disagrees? maybe you could eliminate religious belief that way? Don't they kill flaun gong members in China and harvest their organs? I think China banned religion or has their own state religion.

Why don't you? Why not? Don't you think they would taste good?

It's funny how no one would answer these questions

 

[Brazko]

It's funny how no one would answer these questions

There is no other way to answer that question but like this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Death_Toll

International Reception
Western governments and human rights organizations have expressed condemnation for the suppression in China and greeted Falun Gong with qualified sympathy.[177] Since 1999 Members of the United States Congress have made public pronouncements and introduced several resolutions in support of Falun Gong.[1] Most recently, House Resolution 605 called for "an immediate end to the campaign to persecute, intimidate, imprison, and torture Falun Gong practitioners," said that Chinese authorities have devoted extensive time and resources over the past decade to distribute "false propaganda" about the practice worldwide, and expressed sympathy to persecuted Falun Gong practitioners and their families.[178][

 

[Luger187]

Who are you? What have you done to contribute to society? Hmmm,, fucking atheist? You all like to and critisize, ill give you something to talk about douche...
i could fucking careless what you have to say or think... Like I said b4 and ill say it again, I dont depend on your complex thinking and if im simple minded, have a simple minded fuck you...

you try and try to make me look like im wrong, your a fucking idiot! Yea, I always got shit to say, especially to none believers who think are soo perfect... You must thiink that you are, only God is perfect, you dont believe in God,.therefore you are perfect...

You cant really say anything to the fact that I never forced anything you all and I never told you to believe in anything, but oh well, its a numbers thing, I know...

again, you get angry and yell at us. you have pretty much proven yourself wrong. there is no post you made on this thread that gives validity to your statements. we all doubt you know much, if anything, about evolution. you said you know enough about evolution to deny it, then later you said you just answered an essay question about it. you also said you dont believe in evolution because you believe in god and the bible. how is that not plugging your ears and closing your eyes? you are deliberately ignoring facts because you are blinded by a holy book. we are not surprised though, as most religious people are this way.

now i will wait for your rant about how i am a stupid atheist...

 

[olylifter420]

what does your logical thinking have to do with you being an atheist? It was not in reference to your beliefs... stupid fucking atheist doesnt say anything about your beliefs and it was not aimed at you or at anyone... Dumb? Since when was dumb a very bad word? Stupidity, well you just showed it again...

WHy should i provide something to you if i am not arguing about my beliefs with you? You are the ones who think your atheist thoughts should be enforced on all of us, you should really see the whole picture...

You do get all riled up! YOu cant say you havnt... YOu find it hard to deal with a Christian like me... YOu are so used to forcing your beliefs on the rest of us, that you forget about what you are doing... You are smart enough to understand what i am talking about, if you dont, well thats your problem...

You are so busy calling me a hypocrite, but what are you?

Seems to me that you had plenty to say, and your language clearly indicates that you are trying to establish a superior position by insulting. How many of us have insulted you? It seems the faults you find in others are things you fail to notice about yourself, which is typical of a hypocrite.

Meanwhile you have provided nothing of substance for us to consider. You haven't made one single valid point or addressed points made to you beyond hostile beratement. You are unable to defend any single one of your statements, and somehow in your head that equates to us getting riled up and treating you unfairly. You don't even seem to possess to ability to express yourself clearly, so why we should we pay attention to anything you say?

 

[olylifter420]

You all still havnt answered my question, you all think anthropologists' and the like who believe in God are stupid...

Well, stupid questions get stupid answers! Thats all i have to say about what you are seeking...

again, you get angry and yell at us. you have pretty much proven yourself wrong. there is no post you made on this thread that gives validity to your statements. we all doubt you know much, if anything, about evolution. you said you know enough about evolution to deny it, then later you said you just answered an essay question about it. you also said you dont believe in evolution because you believe in god and the bible. how is that not plugging your ears and closing your eyes? you are deliberately ignoring facts because you are blinded by a holy book. we are not surprised though, as most religious people are this way.

now i will wait for your rant about how i am a stupid atheist...

 

[Padawanbater2]

You are a perfect example of the disgusting pieces of shit organized religion produces. Can't think for yourself. Can't accept criticism. Can't defend your beliefs. Can't have an adult conversation. Always resorts to violence first. Always takes offense. Doesn't care to understand science yet uses it's applications on a daily basis. Takes EVERYTHING for granted. Is content living in ignorance. I'd be amazed if you could tie your fucking shoes man.

You, and the millions of retards like you, are the reason the rest of us have to deal with so much unnecessary shit. One day the day will come where most of us on the other side stop giving a fuck about picking you idiots up by your belt buckle to join us and let you destroy the self righteous Christian society you've created. We'll be nowhere to found for help when you need it.

 

[olylifter420]

you really are funny dude, you are still my brother and i care for you... I understand your racial hatred, it is not your fault though... What is the percentage of atheists? How many billions of them are there? Who asked you for any help? I enjoy open discussions, but not with you... You resort to racial hatred and discrimination towards me... and still you cannot answer what i asked about the scientists' who have given you the reasons to talk down on my beliefs are also Christians and believe in God...


Oh and I use slip ons for your information... You know those crocs,

You are a perfect example of the disgusting pieces of shit organized religion produces. Can't think for yourself. Can't accept criticism. Can't defend your beliefs. Can't have an adult conversation. Always resorts to violence first. Always takes offense. Doesn't care to understand science yet uses it's applications on a daily basis. Takes EVERYTHING for granted. Is content living in ignorance. I'd be amazed if you could tie your fucking shoes man.

You, and the millions of retards like you, are the reason the rest of us have to deal with so much unnecessary shit. One day the day will come where most of us on the other side stop giving a fuck about picking you idiots up by your belt buckle to join us and let you destroy the self righteous Christian society you've created. We'll be nowhere to found for help when you need it.

 

[Luger187]

You all still havnt answered my question, you all think anthropologists' and the like who believe in God are stupid...

Well, stupid questions get stupid answers! Thats all i have to say about what you are seeking...

i dont think theyre ALL stupid. the ones that believe because they were taught to believe, i think are stupid. the ones that can legitimately argue their points and defend their beliefs, i respect. there are not many like that though...

why cant an archaeologist be religious? that doesnt make sense to me. it seems you think if someone believes in evolution, god is out of the picture. thats not true at all

you really are funny dude, you are still my brother and i care for you... I understand your racial hatred, it is not your fault though... What is the percentage of atheists? How many billions of them are there? Who asked you for any help? I enjoy open discussions, but not with you... You resort to racial hatred and discrimination towards me... and still you cannot answer what i asked about the scientists' who have given you the reasons to talk down on my beliefs are also Christians and believe in God...


Oh and I use slip ons for your information... You know those crocs,

hahahahahahaha how is that racist? you are ignorant. look at the way you are acting to criticism

edit: wait a minute... did you just say padawans information comes from secretly christian scientists? scheming to trick us atheists?

 

[olylifter420]

criticism? what are you talking about? lol!!!!

you are really funny!

i wish we could take a class together...

i dont think theyre ALL stupid. the ones that believe because they were taught to believe, i think are stupid. the ones that can legitimately argue their points and defend their beliefs, i respect. there are not many like that though...

why cant an archaeologist be religious? that doesnt make sense to me. it seems you think if someone believes in evolution, god is out of the picture. thats not true at all



hahahahahahaha how is that racist? you are ignorant. look at the way you are acting to criticism

edit: wait a minute... did you just say padawans information comes from secretly christian scientists? scheming to trick us atheists?

 

[Brazko]

You are a perfect example of the disgusting pieces of shit organized religion produces. Can't think for yourself. Can't accept criticism. Can't defend your beliefs. Can't have an adult conversation. Always resorts to violence first. Always takes offense. Doesn't care to understand science yet uses it's applications on a daily basis. Takes EVERYTHING for granted. Is content living in ignorance. I'd be amazed if you could tie your fucking shoes man.

You, and the millions of retards like you, are the reason the rest of us have to deal with so much unnecessary shit. One day the day will come where most of us on the other side stop giving a fuck about picking you idiots up by your belt buckle to join us and let you destroy the self righteous Christian society you've created. We'll be nowhere to found for help when you need it.

I remember sitting on the livingroom floor at grandma's house watching Jimmy Swaggart. He at one point was talking about how we are straying from the word of God and falling in love with watching t.v., technologies, and something else along those lines. But I recall thinking to myself aren't you on t.v. now every morning? It can't be that bad then could it?

 

[olylifter420]

Yes you do, i think you feel they are all stupid because of the degree they hold and what they believe in...

Atheists know about respect? Wow!

That is the message you have been relaying all this time>... But anyone who believes in God according to you, do not know shit about evolution>>>

You are still my brother and i care for you...

i dont think theyre ALL stupid. the ones that believe because they were taught to believe, i think are stupid. the ones that can legitimately argue their points and defend their beliefs, i respect. there are not many like that though...

why cant an archaeologist be religious? that doesnt make sense to me. it seems you think if someone believes in evolution, god is out of the picture. thats not true at all



hahahahahahaha how is that racist? you are ignorant. look at the way you are acting to criticism

edit: wait a minute... did you just say padawans information comes from secretly christian scientists? scheming to trick us atheists?

 

[Luger187]

Yes you do, i think you feel they are all stupid because of the degree they hold and what they believe in...

Atheists know about respect? Wow!

That is the message you have been relaying all this time>... But anyone who believes in God according to you, do not know shit about evolution>>>

You are still my brother and i care for you...

what we are saying is evolution is fact. you cannot deny it, unless you are ignorant to the facts. if you look at the evidence, it is plain as day that evolution occurs. there are entire fields of study on it. it is wrong to say evolution is false based on lack of evidence because we have tons of it.
now, if you want to believe that god started the process, and evolution continued that process, good for you. it does not discredit god, it merely enhances our ability to see how god REALLY makes the planet work. god made the planet, right? we are studying the planet, and this is what we find. so whats the problem?
since we KNOW it happens, why is it okay to discredit god's work, based on a 2000 year old book written by tribesman?

as for your comment about respect, youre the one who used this emoticon
religious people are the ones who disrespect atheists most of the time. atheists point out flaws in their logic, and the religious resort to attacks because they cant defend their own beliefs. all youve been doing is spewing attacks and jibberish

 

[Heisenberg]

They must have but did they? Obviously you know Jesus didn't. Okay, I'm not going to try and defend Oly's action so I'll just leave my specific comments to this. I claim that Oly's parents did not teach him to be a hypocrite and are not despicable people because I do not know if they surely did teach him to act that way or if Oly is straying from what they taught. If Oly's parents decide to post here later to the board and demostrate the same kind of conduct then I will agree with your statement.

However my statements about morals and standards remains the same. I have seen Atheist/Theists refer generally to each other as idiots, ignorants, dumb/jackasses, retards, stupid, etc... I have never thought to base that conduct on anything else but the person who have chosen to use that type of language. And that still doesn't equate to what their standards of morality may be.

Are you actually meaning to say Oly is being abusive and hateful by his chosen words and he shouldn't because it's not right for him to do so, but others get a pass because it's right for them to do?

If not, anytime someone chooses to use that type of verbage you should instantly stop them in their tracks and address their conduct as despicable as well.

If so, you have a skewed sense of upholding boxed standards of morality to an individual or group.

It's all fair in Love and Warfare

edit: and Entertaining

also you can't trust everything Oly's said because I gave him a good answer to his question but have yet to recieve +rep for it...

that is despicable!! lol

Of course his parents didn't necessarily teach him to be a hypocrite. I was being facetious in order to point out that, when your behavior comes under attack, saying your parents taught you, as if that somehow makes it right, begs the question whether or not they agree with his hypocritical stance and propensity to respond with abusive hate. Oly was insinuating that his parents taught him the right way while atheist's parents did not. Naturally, as I and many other atheists have religious parents, this is an absurd premise, and I was simply trying to showcase that absurdity. Once a person reaches adulthood they must take responsibility for their actions, and not blame (or credit) their parents. Not to mention that emotions and morals play no part in evaluating the claim of a deity, or that none of us suggested he give up his morals.

i agree with everything you have to say, but i still choose to believe in God... I was raised with a strict set of morals and i will never give them up, no matter what you say... The way i was raised was probably very different then the way you were raised... that has a lot to do with the way a person think in my opinion...

When I do give him a serious and considerate resonse, he replies with,

gandolf is here, run~!!!

And when others have given insightful responses,

Yea, alright dude! You hands down are the best... Im sorry for any inconvinience I may have caused you holyness!

You really hate Christians and anyone who has faith in the Lord dont you?

When faced with reason he sidesteps with sarcasm and fails to address the actual points. He takes a hostile and abusive position on the subject of atheism while maintaining that he doesn't have anything to say and we should treat him as if he is simply being a quiet religious believer. He tries to frame our responses as if our motivation is simply to feel superior, which allows him to dismiss the logic contained within. He holds others to a standard he is not willing to live up to himself, which makes him a hypocrite.

I dont know about you lug, but i do listen to my parents... I was taught not to go against what they said or taught me because they are my parents. I love them and i have never been a dick with them like most people i know... On top of that i have some of the best most coolest parents someone can have... I had no reason to question anything they taught...

 

[Brazko]

I personally believe 1 dumb Fuck deserves another. If the things we say on here is to be held accountable to our parents, then I will also venture in saying that we all have some descpicable dumb fuck parents as well..

I was being facetious but somehow that was overlooked as well. It is absurb. So my point was not to charge such comments to people who are not present to defend themselves.The remarks were inflammatory and we all know such remarks will fuel anger in most cases as in dealing with any kind of attacks on family will do. Holding a blind eye to that is being a hypocrit to that fact as well.

And I never made a claim that you all did suggest him give up his morals or it had some bearing on claims of a deity. You suggested that his remarks were not of high morality and standards. I've only commented that his remarks is of no bearing of his principles of morality and there is no way at this time to prove his parents approved of such commentary.

We intervened into a country's civil war because of the morality of the war being made.
We didn't intervene because they were killing each other.

Now is Killing each other the moral thing to do?

edit: its a fight and there are no rules to survival except for the ones here on RiU,

he is doing no different than what anybody else has opted to do in their survival.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It doesn't matter with people like that. He doesn't know how to react to people questioning his beliefs, he's been conditioned to automatically take offense. Even when anybody is simply asking a damn question. I hate to be so frank, but fuck those people, the world could do with less of them. They're mindless drones walking around with the switch turned off, no amount of reason, facts, logic, NOTHING will amount to anything. All they care about is their faith, their comfort, theirs theirs THEIRS! Dumb ass religious people are some of the worst kind in my book, not to be confused with regular religious people. They're selfish, dangerous and ignorant.

 

[VILEPLUME]

It doesn't matter with people like that. He doesn't know how to react to people questioning his beliefs, he's been conditioned to automatically take offense. Even when anybody is simply asking a damn question. I hate to be so frank, but fuck those people, the world could do with less of them. They're mindless drones walking around with the switch turned off, no amount of reason, facts, logic, NOTHING will amount to anything. All they care about is their faith, their comfort, theirs theirs THEIRS! Dumb ass religious people are some of the worst kind in my book, not to be confused with regular religious people. They're selfish, dangerous and ignorant.

I agree with you. I am a Christian and I hate dumb Christians as well. 2 out of 3 Christians have never read the bible and I think a lot of those people would be surprised if they did. I remember reading it for the first time and finding out that after the flood Noah planted grapes then later made wine and got drunk and naked, some how that part of the story doesnt make it into the children's teachings.

For me personally, I think there is too much evidence to not think there is a God and that Jesus never existed. But that is me personally and I don't push that belief on others, and I agree that no one should get upset for thinking differently.

 

[Brazko]

It doesn't matter with people like that. He doesn't know how to react to people questioning his beliefs, he's been conditioned to automatically take offense. Even when anybody is simply asking a damn question. I hate to be so frank, but fuck those people, the world could do with less of them. They're mindless drones walking around with the switch turned off, no amount of reason, facts, logic, NOTHING will amount to anything. All they care about is their faith, their comfort, theirs theirs THEIRS! Dumb ass religious people are some of the worst kind in my book, not to be confused with regular religious people. They're selfish, dangerous and ignorant.

Well I've expressed to you in the past that you all have more patience and leniency than I have. If productive conversation seems impossible just provide information without the personal dialogue. This may be to Oly's point as he feels you are trying to convince him of something he doesn't wish to believe in. At this point just simply provide information and they can accept it or not, nothing there to argue about especially if constructive dialogue has been demostrated to be futile...

I tried sitting and just giving resourceful information to a friend and he told me it looked cartoonish/joke. He couldn't accept what I was telling him as serious and I could see him starting to tear up from anger. At that point there is nothing you can do, if they want to know more they will seek you out..