Trichy Bastard
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It was recommended to me by someone I consider a reliable source (Atomizer). I'm newer at this, so I cannot have a good opinion myself.
Wow, sweet pic... You just can't argue with that...
Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)
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Wow, sweet pic... You just can't argue with that...
bmx42
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Awesome grow Homebrewer. I'm new here and found your grow and love what i see. I've seen dyna-gro products in my local hydro shop put always walked on by because I never heard of them so just figured it must not be worth it. But I think I'll try this stuff out on my newest grow once my seedlings need nutes. Now I'm off to post a intro.
peace.
peace.
homebrewer
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I'd never heard of them until Uncle Ben posted something about them about a year ago. I wanted to prove him wrong so I started a journal comparing the no-name DynaGro to GH. Boy was I wrong and things have been hassle free since I made the switch. Hit me up if you want some help as DG is pretty strong and will fry plants if not used correctly.
drekoushranada
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How would one do a foliar feed with the Grow nutes when using Dyna-Gro?
homebrewer
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I've been at this for almost 11 years and I've never foliar fed, not even once.
dsmoke1
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I was wondering if I was the only one who had perfectly healthy plants without spraying crap on the outside of them. It seems like every so often, someone in the hydro shops around here is raving about some late-flower foliar product. Are you kidding me?
homebrewer
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I've been averaging just over 20 ounces with AK47 and DynaGro in the exact same setup that is featured in this journal. I'd average the same with my dumpster strain too if the colas didn't have to be harvested early due to mold concerns.
The plants are from a mother, cloned of course and started in dirt. Once I see roots, I knock off the dirt and put them in 6 inch rockwool cubes.
shnkrmn
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LOL. I picked up on Dyna-gro from Uncle Ben too. I didn't want to disprove him; I was just desperate for success. It worked. 
bmx42
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ya i'm planning on starting my seedlings in soil then once they have a good root system I'm gonna put them in hempy buckets. So if you have any feeding ideas for using Dyna-Gro products I'm all ears. I've mostly grown in promix and last grow I did, I tried coco coir as a medium and liked the extra control you get with hydro so i wanted to try a active hydro system(ie flood and drain, aeroponic, etc.) this time around but don't feel 100% comfortable to go all out in hydro, so i thought i'd try passive hydro like hempy's and maybe next grow I'll give a active hydro system a try.
Trichy Bastard
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Homebrewer- I have a question for you. I have been avidly researching the best mixture for my situation. I will be doing drain to waste so my needs will be somewhat different in that I don't need to worry about any ph buffering (some of the high levels of phosphorous, potassium etc. in the dynagrow formula are tied up specifically to do this for recirculating systems, and as such is apparently why the ph is so stable for you if I understand things correctly). I found some tissue samples for cannabis that would implicate the exact ratios of the typical plant needs: http://www.greenpassion.org/photoplog/images/4514/large/1_100_3701.jpghttp
It seems that the dynagrow formulations provide about 4-5x less than the ideal amount of calcium for cannabis, so do you ever expereince anything like a hint of a ca deficiency? Also- in retrospect, the foliagepro is the perfect single bottle for veg- you might want to try it sometime with nothing else added and see how it goes (although the rock solid ph may be lost)... This is all theoretical- and what your pics all show is obviously nothing but good, but I suppose even a good regimen could have room for improvement if I'm interpreting the data correctly...
The plan i have so far for a flowering target ppm of 200 is as follows (might have to raise ec- but this is the ratio I had in mind):
ml/gal
Bloom 1.4
magpro 1
protekt 1.2
Foliage pro 1.4
Thanks- your input is greatly appreciated... My disclaimer on this particular post is that I am just trying to learn all this stuff, and nothing I've mentioned here is based on my own real world experience- and therefore should not be taken as advice, but only an idea...
It seems that the dynagrow formulations provide about 4-5x less than the ideal amount of calcium for cannabis, so do you ever expereince anything like a hint of a ca deficiency? Also- in retrospect, the foliagepro is the perfect single bottle for veg- you might want to try it sometime with nothing else added and see how it goes (although the rock solid ph may be lost)... This is all theoretical- and what your pics all show is obviously nothing but good, but I suppose even a good regimen could have room for improvement if I'm interpreting the data correctly...
The plan i have so far for a flowering target ppm of 200 is as follows (might have to raise ec- but this is the ratio I had in mind):
ml/gal
Bloom 1.4
magpro 1
protekt 1.2
Foliage pro 1.4
Thanks- your input is greatly appreciated... My disclaimer on this particular post is that I am just trying to learn all this stuff, and nothing I've mentioned here is based on my own real world experience- and therefore should not be taken as advice, but only an idea...
MasterS
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Trichy Bastard, most nutes aren't formulated with R/O in mind because it isn't cost effective to grow most things in R/O. They have a Cal/Mag to supplement for either R/O or a water source that is lacking.
Also, wasn't able to open the link. Even after correcting the url. Repost please ^_^
Also, wasn't able to open the link. Even after correcting the url. Repost please ^_^
Trichy Bastard
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Sorry, here is the link without the http://www, just copy n' paste and add it back I guess... growersunderground.com/PhosphorusMyth.pdf
homebrewer
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I would think one would see more than just a hint of a deficiency if they were actually supplying only 20% of the plant's calcium needs. I use RO water and don't see any need to add more calcium than what is in the base nutes already.
I've tweaked some veg formulas with GH supplying higher N and low-to-no P for veg and I grew plants that looked exactly the same as usual. Vegging is cake and I don't feel like anyone needs to over-think that stage of growth further than their light spectrum and temps. As far as food goes, I just feed a few mls of grow and protekt per gallon, done.
Could be a good mix but even with RO, I don't mess with magpro in veg. I think you can 'up' your protekt to 4mls/gallon.
Trichy Bastard
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Yeah MasterS- my tapwater is softened, so I have to use the r/o water to make sure the sodium from the softener are removed... And to be honest, the water here is from a surface source and not very high in minerals to begin with... Also- the fascinating part about high pressue aero is that I'll apparently need to start feeding with 140 ppm or so- and flowering stage doesn't call for magnitudes higher. That would be all taken up by the tapwater minerals in most people's cases. In my situation, the cost per gallon to make the ro water may actually outweigh the cost of the nutes added -lol...
Homebrewer- thanks for your reply. Being that you are also using ro with such fine results- I'd have to admit that your statement is about not having a ca deficiency is obviously right on. Apparently there is alot more to the nute puzzle to be understood. Unfortunately there is so much misinfo out there- it's quite hard to pick the truths out, and that's why I think your threads here have so much value in showing good results from your real life "no bull" parameters... In the past I simply fed the 7-9-5 (tapwater back then) even without protekt for veg and had fine resuits- vegging is a no brainer as long as your not trying to use 5 different bottles of additives @3000 ppm coupled with dodgy formulas that have unstable ph...
There are still so many mysteries to me in regards of the proper nute ratios to provide, especially when all of these big companies information does not even match real life performance. I guess the only good way to go about this is just like you- and do my own tests, luckily I have the foundation of your regimen as a starting ground... And this probably is just as complicated as I want to make it. The companies don't give the plants any credit for being able to self regulate to any degree- but that is obviously not true when you look at all the huge variations in formulas out there that all accomplish the same thing (with varying levels of effort's required on the growers part -that seems to be the real difference).
Homebrewer- thanks for your reply. Being that you are also using ro with such fine results- I'd have to admit that your statement is about not having a ca deficiency is obviously right on. Apparently there is alot more to the nute puzzle to be understood. Unfortunately there is so much misinfo out there- it's quite hard to pick the truths out, and that's why I think your threads here have so much value in showing good results from your real life "no bull" parameters... In the past I simply fed the 7-9-5 (tapwater back then) even without protekt for veg and had fine resuits- vegging is a no brainer as long as your not trying to use 5 different bottles of additives @3000 ppm coupled with dodgy formulas that have unstable ph...
There are still so many mysteries to me in regards of the proper nute ratios to provide, especially when all of these big companies information does not even match real life performance. I guess the only good way to go about this is just like you- and do my own tests, luckily I have the foundation of your regimen as a starting ground... And this probably is just as complicated as I want to make it. The companies don't give the plants any credit for being able to self regulate to any degree- but that is obviously not true when you look at all the huge variations in formulas out there that all accomplish the same thing (with varying levels of effort's required on the growers part -that seems to be the real difference).
Trichy Bastard
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Theoretically it shouldn't- but it's fair to note it does contain some P -it could add up if you are already mega dosing... I'm not the most qualified person to answer though...
MasterS
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Interesting pdf Trichy but I'm not good enough in plant biology to properly interpret the data. The tissue sample shows the plant analyzed has a composition of 4-1-4.5 but I don't know what that implicates. I would love many more analyses to compare and knowledge to interpret that but if I tried to grow a plant at 4-1-4.5 it might get a little angry. ^_^
Trichy Bastard
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Yeah, not too sure man... Once you forgive fatman for his self proclaimed dyslexia and emotional disorders, he did have some knwoledge for sure. He based his plant formulas off tissue analysis, and I'd think he did pretty good. Most people who followed his advice thanked him greatly in the end for the positive effects it had when followed. It's funny though that he was sort of Uncle Ben's arch enemy- and the reason HB tried Dynagrow is apparently based on Ben's work... So I really am just as confused as before-lol. There is always a big circle leading to confusion on the subject for me. All I can imagine is that there are more forces at play, and each person's individual setup including ambient temps, lighting, wind and average humidity, and whether recirculating or DTW probably facilitate the need for different ratios of nutrients...
mr.smileyface
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An experianced grower told me it was bad for the roots. I dont believe that as i had an increase in yeild. And i use soilless so its more available to the plants and which is why you are sappose to use less. In hydro your using double the amount i am using. It is very akailine so i dont need ph up when i had a half cup to 55 gal.
The only problem i could see is using to much of it. I cut it out near the end because i stress my plants the last week. The last week i turn my thermostat down to 20c so i have increase airflow 24/7 to bring out more color.