"Why Prescription Ecstasy or LSD Could Happen Much Sooner Than You Think"

[lorenzo5007]

Good article:

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/151394/why_prescription_ecstasy_or_lsd_could_happen_much_sooner_than_you_think

 

[cannabisguru]

lmao... its a good dream to have my friend.

however, it will never happen.


they actually use to use LSD back in the day.. for certain things.

but once they found out that many users of LSD.. over time, developed major mental illnesses and or major mental problems.. they stopped using it and then marked the product as being 'Illegal'.

I sure would like to find some though... I haven't tripped since 2006. Sucks.. because that last trip, was so great that its actually like.. inscribed into my brain. An experience I'll never forget. Which again, is why I want to trip again.. but I don't have any connects around here (the state I'm living in currently). So yeah, it kinda sucks.

You people keep talking about LSD and tripping on it... that it makes me want to trip again.. that much more! argghh!

But anyone, my point is.. is the government will never legalize LSD. If they're so strict with cannabis...?!?! Yeah.. there's no way in hell they're going to legalize LSD.

Like I said though.. its a nice dream to have.

peace.

 

[canndo]

this is incorrect, as very very few users of LSD were found to devolpe major illnesses. In the U.S. there was a concerted effort to ban the substance after enough urban myth penetrated congress. "I am an orange you must squeeze me" "they looked directly into the sun", "he thought he could fly".

Not a single honest study demonstrates that normal people will hae abnormal problems with the usage of LSD.

 

[ANC]

Anne Shulgin, one of the Pioneers in MDMA therapy said she thinks that hypnosis therapy works better.

 

[canndo]

Then again.... LSD puts holes in your brain so watch out.

 

[Haddaway]

Then again.... LSD puts holes in your brain so watch out.

I'm pretty sure that was the MDMA rumor, actually I know for a fact it was. A team of scientists took MDMA and listed it in a category from most harmful to least harmful, let me find it. It was awesome. The reason that rumor got started was because of a supposed CT scan on someone's head that showed some thing looks like "holes", turned out to be nothing of the such. Didn't stop everyone from saying to forever. I've been defending these drugs since I was like 13 lol

 

[ginjawarrior]

this is incorrect, as very very few users of LSD were found to devolpe major illnesses. In the U.S. there was a concerted effort to ban the substance after enough urban myth penetrated congress. "I am an orange you must squeeze me" "they looked directly into the sun", "he thought he could fly".

Not a single honest study demonstrates that normal people will hae abnormal problems with the usage of LSD.

i know more people that have broke themselves with lsd than i do without

 

[Haddaway]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm

SCIENTISTS WANT NEW DRUG RANKINGS
he drug classification system in the UK is not "fit for purpose" and should be scrapped, scientists have said. They have drawn up an alternative system which they argue more accurately reflects the harm that drugs do.
The new ranking system places alcohol and tobacco in the upper half of the league table, ahead of cannabis and several Class A drugs such as ecstasy.
The study, published in The Lancet, has been welcomed by a team reviewing drug research for the government.
The Academy of Medical Sciences group plans to put its recommendations to ministers in the autumn.

Suggested rating of drugs according to harm done
A new commission is also due to undertake a three-year review of general government drug policy.
The new system has been developed by a team led by Professor David Nutt, from the University of Bristol, and Professor Colin Blakemore, chief executive of the Medical Research Council.



It assesses drugs on the harm they do to the individual, to society and whether or not they induce dependence.
A panel of experts were asked to rate 20 different drugs on nine individual categories, which were combined to produce an overall estimate of harm.

In order to provide familiar benchmarks, five legal drugs, including tobacco and alcohol were included in the assessment. Alcohol was rated the fifth most dangerous substance, and tobacco ninth.
Heroin was rated as the most dangerous drug, followed by cocaine and barbiturates. Ecstasy, however, rated only 18th, while cannabis was 11th.

Yes, Cannabis was rated 7 places above MDMA.

 

[Full Circle]

I'll take the holes in my brain anytime ! LOL

 

[Haddaway]

i know more people that have broke themselves with lsd than i do without

Another more recent study:

Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs like heroin and crack cocaine, according to a new study. British experts evaluated substances including alcohol, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and marijuana, ranking them based on how destructive they are to the individual who takes them and to society as a whole.
Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.
Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamines, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects and harm to others, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.

So why are harmful sporting activities allowed, whereas relatively less harmful drugs are not?" Nutt wrote in the Journal of Psychopharmacology. "I believe this reflects a societal approach which does not adequately balance the relative risks of drugs against their harms." Nutt later apologized to to anyone offended by the article and to those who have lost loved ones to ecstasy. He said he had no intention of trivializing the dangers of the drug and that he only wanted to compare the risks.
In the article released by The Lancet on Sunday, ecstasy's harmfulness ranking -- 9 -- indicates it is only one-eighth as harmful as alcohol.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39938704/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-more-dangerous-heroin-cocaine-study-finds/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol.harm/index.html

 

[ginjawarrior]

lol im not saying its worst but i know more people that have broke their mind on lsd. but over all the damage it does say compared to crack is lower yes lol

the thing about lsd thats different to crack, heroine is that lsd breaks you even when you not on it i know reformed crack heads and smack heads that are more with it than my mate who lost it 5+ years ago on cid

 

[Ellis Dee]

I have literally never met a person that have disliked their acid trips. Maybe its the lifestyle of where I am from, but I can only imagine it being very difficult to summon a real LSD induced psychological infliction.

Its just so weird to think about.

Note, I have never tripped acid with anyone save for two or three of my extremely close friends. That being said I have met well over 150 people in my town that have independently sought the LSD cure.

 

[canndo]

i know more people that have broke themselves with lsd than i do without

Anecdotal evidence at best Jinj, as I said, there are no proper scientific findings that indicate that LSD leaves normal people diminished in any capacity You cannot know if they had a prior inclination, you cannot know what other drugs they took, you cannot know their social or genetic situations.

 

[ginjawarrior]

while i dont know if they had a prior inclination i know full well that they never were the same person after the trip. and its not just one of them either

dont get me wrong lsd will always be my favorite drug but it does leave casualties i know that first hand

 

[Ellis Dee]

Come on now. Are you going to tell me that 'election night' wouldn't cause the same 'they were never the same person after' that night?

Its an experience and all experiences change the person-ality. 'WE are the sum of our experiences.'

The only causalities LSD leaves is fantasy.

 

[ginjawarrior]

you say you have only tripped with 3 or so people?

i've spent last 11 years going to trance parties where there were hundreds if not thousands of people tripping and the lsd flowed like water.

the fact is i have seen first hand 2 people (i knew from before) walk away in the morning a shell of the person they were the night before and stay that way and i know of more than that that havent fared as bad

im not trying to put lsd down im just being honest and i think all of us should be too if theres ever going to be a conversation with them up top about lsd's legality you cannot deny out of hand that lsd can not mess people metally

 

[MrEDuck]

I dislike the use of the term prescription with these drugs. Prescription sounds like a dr is going to write someone a script for 30 125mg MDMA tablets saying take one tablet daily. These drugs would be used a few times in a controlled setting, spaced out over time. I think when people know more about it it sounds like a better idea.

 

[Ellis Dee]

Well acid only 2 or 3. And only a couple more on mushrooms. On MDMA I have been to a party/rave once, didn't dig the music and didn't dig the people.

As far as prescriptions go, I suspect these drugs will be used more as a preventative maintenance for the soul. I think if people tripped a couple times a year, on a few different substances, many would be much happier and actually understand what life is to them.

Whether these drugs will be utilized in a clinical setting or a self-administration setting is really a guessing game, but they will be used of that I am sure.